What the hell are they spraying on us? PART 2

This is the spot to continue your comments regarding chemtrails and other information of interest.

Click HERE to see the chemtrail pictures taken by “Ursa Major” – very good work documenting the obvious chemical spraying.

Here is a recent YouTube clip posted by some outraged Oregon residents as their tiny town gets saturation sprayed (thanks to Stef for the link):

Another regular commentator here that goes by “Dude” has created a detailed document that he believes explains the reason for chemtrails.  His theories may be controversial, but he has done a lot of research and I will post the link here so that those of you that want to find it easily can do so.  The link to Dude’s article:




1,250 Responses to “What the hell are they spraying on us? PART 2”

  1. stef Says:

    Thanks there, Dad, for setting us up with another room to play in.

    Greatly appreciate your comments and observations as well as Clark’s. I read everyone’s, well, almost everyone’s comments, with great relish and profound interest.

    Yeah, and Tarpley sends me into hysterics with his euphemisms — “Venetians,” my eye!

    I’ve been a frequent visitor to Makow’s site, which I consider one of the finest, most honestly “deep-digging” out there, next to yours, naturally.

    It may be all this flat “white sky” shit makes us ever more famished for unobstructed views of the truth, eh?

    Hope my playpals will find their way…

    Muchas Gracias, pater.


  2. ericswan Says:

    I get more satisfaction in exposing chemtrails to those who have never seen them by pointing them out to perfect strangers in the real world. It’s prolly easier for me to point out the great big white jets as they are headed in a direction over central south British Columbia where we are the last bastion of civilization and the jets are headed for “nowhere” as there are no cities and certainly no airports in the direction that some think these passenger jets are heading.

    Celline: Let me remind you that Genesis says God put a limit on the life of mankind and that limit is 120 years. My point here, is that the assault by evil on mankind is an assault of one cell at a time. We are in a time where the attacks coming our way facilitate the big business fascists and big government where we wear out after serving as slaves to big corporations. Look at the purveyors of death by a thousand cuts. Sun Moon owns Crest toothpaste and of course we think nothing of brushing our teeth with flouride not realizing that flouride is one of the most aggressive chemicals in the periodic table and you don’t need to swallow it for it to be absorbed and concentrated in our brains.

    Chlorine levels in our drinking water are second only to flouride. Most pesticides in our food are chlorine/flourine based.

    De-natured food that has the nutrients stripped out aka white flour, white sugar, then bleached, takes out the value and adds a toxic effect to junk food that is an attack against the temple.

    These attacks against wholesome food including the pasteurization of milk and all dairy products is not accidental.

    Vaccines and amalgm fillings further the destruction of our brain functions and the effect on mankind is obvious.

  3. clark Says:

    @eric, I didn’t know that there was a limit of 120yrs to peoples lifespan. I watched a PBS show(s) called Nano-technology, The Power of Small, the pannel of experts and doctors were discussing the abilities and future potential for nano-technology. They focused heavily on the ability to prolong life, to 150-200 years, without your consent I might add. They also discussed the gold-tipped nano-tech you all were talking about before. As well as changing the moods of people- using nano-tech.

    Do the jets fly low where you’re at? They are always flying very high here, but I wondered if they were still flying low anywhere.

    There is a bit of a clearing up going on today, a bit of blue sky, they are still lining the sky heavily above me. I remember when I first started watching the sky, there were occassional breaks in their appearance. I can’t remember the last time there was a break in activity.
    Just to have it on this page,


  4. ericswan Says:

    Genesis 6 verses 1 and 2 state:

    “Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.”
    Commentary: We find there that the “sons of God” took wives from the “daughters of men.”

    Verse 3,

    “Then the Lord said, ‘My spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty (120) years.’ ”

    If anything, nano-technology is already being used to track us using satellites and to modify our DNA.

  5. clark Says:

    PSFT- as if on cue, I looked out my window just now and there is a huge streak laying above and across my house, lower than any I’ve ever seen before.

    Good post eric, I never looked at the “sons of God” in Genesis with this perspective before.

    I’m in information overload. I got nuthin left to say.

  6. Ursa Major Says:

    Well, I found my way here, too.

    Clark, today I certainly can’t see my southern sky (or any other direction, for that matter).

    Where I am we usually have temperatures of around 30 degrees Celsius at this time of year. But this far June has been very cold, today it is only 15 degrees Celsius.

    I saw low flying jets when traveling last week. I took a picture of one flying directly overhead the soccer field where I was watching those young cousins play soccer. It was spraying a thick white plume, and NOBODY took notice but me.

    Celline, to post a link you simply do what you do when sending me links. You copy them and paste them in here. When you paste them, they are not links. But when you click on ‘submit comment’ they are automatically turned into functioning links.

    Foundingfather, I followed your recent links, and found the information fascinating (even though much of it I had found out through my own research already).

    Many people get extremely angry when you suggest that Catholics aren’t true Christians. My mother-in-law flipped out at me last month when I said that, and wouldn’t talk to me after that (which isn’t that unusual, she has hated me ever since I married her son 30 years ago).

    My pastor is an ex-Catholic, who has converted some of his brothers, but his parents are still holding out. It is very hard to leave the Catholic church. And it is hardest for those who truly believe they are born-again Christians already.

    I am called ‘racist’ and ‘prejudiced’ when I say things like Catholics aren’t really Christians, or Islam is an evil religion, or the world is run by a Zionist elite.

    I am considered insane if I say things like, “911 was an insider job” and “We are being systematically poisoned by chemtrails” etc.

    Most people are just sheeple, and waking them up is almost impossible.

    A friend has forwarded me this e-mail from a good friend of his in Vancouver which she sent to him on June 8th:

    “Hey All

    Just want to report from Vancouver Canada. There is a very strange mix in the chemtrails today. In all my 10+ years of daily keeping track on all levels I have never felt this one before.

    When I left the house this morning I noticed that instead of the usual milky white (chem) sky–there was a mist that went from cloud level to the ground—just a mist —although it was hot and morning mist should have long been gone.

    I have a long bus ride to the university where i study–so I usually do my reading on the way up on the bus—but today I found I couldn’t focus my eyes (physically) It was very strange–I strained and I strained but could hardly get any reading done.
    In class I found it difficult to stay awake—though it was only a two hour class.

    Finally I get home thinking–well maybe I’m just overtired–but happened to glance in the mirror in the bathroom—and holy moly—my pupils were totally dilated—haven’t seen that since the sixties…no wonder I couldn’t focus….

    Anyway—a new chemtrail mix in this neck of the woods as far as I can tell….

    Peace and Love………. (I won’t put her name)”

    It appears that the good people of Vancouver were all drugged that day. Very scary.

    So, if you see this kind of mist, you may consider wearing a gas mask. I don’t own one yet, but will consider buying one.

  7. stef Says:

    I told you we’d have 2-3 days rain and cool temps, didn’t I?

    We are now Day 2. Cool, totally grey and a misty rain. I should be a weatherforecaster…I could do the chemtrail weather forecast.

    Depending on the trails spread today you’ll get —

    I’ve seen both, low-flying and high. Seems those high-flyers leave the twin trails, the thin ones, and are doing the job of bleaching the sky in no time at all.

    I never see anything but white, Clark, when I look in any direction down towards the horizon and it’s been this way for quite some time.

    How do we KNOW the hologram is God’s?

    Isn’t Lucifer the great liar, the great deceiver?

    Just asking.

    And thanks to Founding for the Oath’s links. Insane. Those oafs are insane.

    Thanks all,

  8. Celline Says:

    Now.. I found it too ;o) FF had to give me the link, he’s just so very nice.
    I have something I would like for you to Google” The Almanac of Evil ”
    Oher than that.. Eric.. NO, I never see the southern sky, it always is white out !
    Can someone explain please, what u mean with Hologram? I totally missed this one. Uschi u are so sweet to explain to me about linking.. but: The concept of Cut and Paste escapes me, I have no clue how to do it. On the news just now: What’s going on right now, in WA w. the Holocaust-museum???? Great upset over something.
    We are overcast and cold today.. can’t see a thing.
    I looked up everything that was suggested on the “old” blog.. Russo etc.. and that’s where I found: The Almanac of Evil !
    I have not yet seen low-flying jets… Thank all.. for explaining things to me, the ones I don’t understand. Uschi’s blogs, I understand perfectly.

  9. Ursa Major Says:

    Celline, this is what you do when linking:

    You go to the page you want to link to. You right-click on the address up in the address bar. You choose ‘copy’. Then you come here, write in the comment box what you want to say. When you are ready to insert your link. you make sure the marker is where you want it (you know, the line that shows where you are), you right-click, then click on ‘paste’, and the url will appear.

    And as I said before, even though it isn’t a link at that point, it will be turned into one when you submit your comment.

  10. ericswan Says:

    Hey Celline here’s your link

    Click to access Almanac_of_Evil.pdf

    I know your bible says that you should not add or detract from the bible. My experience is this. The word swan appears twice in the bible. Why? The fact is King James changed the bible from gier eagle which is now extinct to swan which is a common bird in England where the gier eagle is not.

  11. ericswan Says:

    Celline..What is your point? Bashing the Catholic church by bashing Paul seems to me to contradict your blind obedience to a book.

  12. Celline Says:

    am not ” bashing” anything.. am spreading the Truth where ever I find it.
    Which link, or whatever are u talking about ? Or do u mean The Almanac of Evil? Well, I did not make this up u know…. look at the source who opens up a can of worms there….t’wasen’t me…

  13. stef Says:

    For Ursa:

    “Holography (from the Greek, ὅλος-hólos whole + γραφή-grafē writing, drawing) is a technique that allows the light scattered from an object to be recorded and later reconstructed so that it appears as if the object is in the same position relative to the recording medium as it was when recorded. The image changes as the position and orientation of the viewing system changes in exactly the same way as if the object were still present, thus making the recorded image (hologram) appear three dimensional.”

    You can read the rest on Wikipedia if you like.

    Hope this helps…or were you referring to the universe= hologram thing?

    Thanks Eric. Didn’t know that.

  14. stef Says:

    Sorry, meant Celline.

  15. Celline Says:

    “Dr Alberto Rivera” is what I meant to blog..
    if I made a terrible mistake, please forgive me, the above one.. is the one.

  16. stef Says:

    What’s happening at the holohaux museum is that the jews are going into their “sacrificial lamb” act to quell the highly justifiable antipathy for them from every quarter.

    Here’s the good Rabbi Eli Ravage explaining what needs be done:

    “We may have to repeat the grim days of World War II, when we were forced to let the Hitlerite bands sacrifice some of our people, in order that we may have adequate documentation and witnesses to legally justify our trial and execution of the leaders of America and Russia as war criminals, after we have dictated the peace…For sacrifice has always been the watchword or our people.”

    Get it?

  17. Celline Says:

    This ” Almanac ” link was a mistake.. PLEASE guys forgive me.. I blogged the wrong thing.. I asked FF to delete the blogs where I mentioned this terribly bad one. All I can do, is apologize…

  18. stef Says:

    Late afternoon, sun peeking through the blanket of “clouds” and what do we see: The sky-spiders at it again with a vengeance.

    Where does it say, or rather does it say, in the Bible, or any of those other ancient texts why some of us will notice or see or question while the rest don’t/won’t?

    Does anyone else here wonder why those chemtrails, that are perfectly noticeable to us, seem invisible to others?

    Aside from “they-are-dumb-as-dirt morons,” which cannot be denied, don’t you wonder why many refuse to even listen?

    Some “Book” must prophecy that in the endtimes only a fraction of the population(s) will be aware that all is not as it should be?

    I’m hoping one of you, or all you of you, might provide an answer to my query.

    I don’t recall asking before. Anyway, I don’t recall the answer, if there was one.


  19. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, I don’t know how many Jews Hitler has killed. I don’t care if it was one million or six million. The fact is that he wanted to exterminate them. It is true that the Zionists, who are part of the Illuminati and the bankers that control the world are evil. But as Truth stated, those people are NOT real Jews. Those people, and the ones now running Israel, are evil and don’t care about the common, ordinary Jews.

    That does NOT make all Jews evil. Just like looking at the evil Americans/Canadians in our governments doesn’t mean ALL Americans and Canadians are evil people! Or saying that because the Nazis were evil means that all Germans are evil. I am one of those Germans (born after the war) and Celline (born before the war started) another.

    By the way, that the Pope was part of the Hitler Youth proves nothing about him at all. I do believe that the Pope is evil. But I don’t believe that it has anything to do with him being in the Hitler Youth. He had no choice, just as most kids in those times had no choice.

    Any kid not being in the Hitler Youth was suspect, and so was his family. Not conforming could mean death, prison or concentration camp.

    My father was in the Hitler Youth, and my mother in the equivalent of it for girls. Both were forced, and I do believe my mother was also brainwashed (it is easy to brainwash children). My dad merely liked being taught to fly glider airplanes. He was one of the most harmless people I’ve ever known.

    Fortunately my father was smart enough to know that he would never be able to shoot anybody. He told me that he was unable to look at the ‘enemy’ as an enemy, because what had he ever done to him? So, if he would have found himself face to face with an enemy, he’d be dead, because he wouldn’t have been able to pull the trigger.

    Therefore, he managed to stay out of the front lines by being a radio operator, and ‘getting lost behind the lines’ on purpose. In the end he was caught by the Russians and put into a prisoner of war camp in Siberia. Fortunately, they needed to exchange 1000 prisoners, and because he had contracted tuberculosis, he was sent home instead of into the mines, which likely saved his life.

    Anyway, I guess that got long-winded. I am just trying to make you understand that NOT all Hitler Youth boys/girls were actually Nazis, nor were all the soldiers. If you refused to be a soldier, you’d be shot on the spot. If you refused to be in the Hitler Youth, you were persecuted, as was your family. You couldn’t win.

  20. stef Says:

    Ursa: You don’t know how many jews Hitler had killed?

    Are you kidding me? You are the single, solitary person over the age of three on this planet who doesn’t “know” he killed 6 million!

    Exactly 6 million, not one more, not one less, as holohaux investigators like to say. ‘Course the jews themselves are beginning to clip and prune here and there, under the radar, so to speak.

    He wanted to exterminate them? You don’t know how many were killed? A figure any 7 year-old, practically anywhere in the world, has been indoctrinated to spout: 6 million!

    And yet you pretend to know what Hitler wanted to do with them?

    Here’s a very funny essay on the holocaust question. You really, really need to read it!


    Silly woman.


  21. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, you make me laugh. The fact is, that the only reason everybody ‘knows’ that Hitler killed six million Jews is, that we were all taught it is so.

    ‘Mein Kampf’ says very clearly that all Jews are to be exterminated, the ‘end goal’. But as for how many they managed to kill, I personally can’t possibly know.

    I DO know he killed many. There are plenty of eye witnesses to attest to that fact. There are enough mass graves to prove it. They found lots of them in the concentration camps near death when they ‘liberated’ Germany (after first killing plenty of women, old people and young kids by bombing Dresden and Hamburg to rubble, as all boys and young men over 14 were all sent to the front to be killed rather than surrender).

    Because we were obviously NOT taught the truth and all the facts in school in Germany, I have done a lot of research on the second world war in these past 31 years here in Canada. I read many books before we had the Internet, and have read much since we got the Internet.

    Research is my hobby. If I am left to my own devices, that is all I do. Still, I am unable to know exactly how many Jews Hitler killed. I am not sure anybody really knows or wants to know.

  22. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Hi Ursa,

    Thanks for the interesting comment. We Americans do not often hear how things were in Nazi Germany from the ordinary German citizen’s perspective. I agree that just because Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth it does not automatically make him a Nazi. What is funny is the many contradictory statements the Vatican has made which range from (as you said) “Yes he was in the Hitler Youth but he didn’t have a choice” to “No absolutely not….he was never in the Hitler Youth!” The outright denial is ridiculous because there are pictures of him in uniform.

    Speaking of Hitler Youth…have any of you seen the new “Americorps” Paramilitary Propaganda Ad? Here it is on You Tube:
    When you watch it, notice the color of their uniform jackets. They are Red & Black. Hmmmmm…now where else have we seen Red & Black colors used? (Hint: Celline and Ursa being from Germany ought to guess this one right away!)

    Celline, I really do not want to get into the habit of “cleaning-up” mistaken posts. You posted the wrong link, you have apologized to everyone and let them know that was NOT the link you meant to post. That is fine. We all make mistakes. Just move on. Nobody is going to hold that against you.


  23. stef Says:

    Fact remains, Ursa, that what we were taught is exactly what the jews still maintain, regardless how much proof and evidence is brought to light, and they are holding it against us.

    There were eyewitnesses! Oy vey!

    Forget about it. I don’t have the time or the patience to discuss this with you.

    Perhaps, you were in Germany at the time, but you could have been in outer space for all your blather.

    No disrespect.


  24. stef Says:

    And when did you ever read “Mein Kampf?”

    Come on! You’re just parotting what you’ve heard, what you’ve been told.

    Sorry, bit of run-on there.

  25. Celline Says:

    @Stef : Even though I just made a terrible mistake and THANK you FF for understanding.. u are the the Best ;o)
    Inspite of my mistake Steff, I feel justified to be upset w. you.
    How dare you call U’s important imput Blather ? This is beyond obnoxious.
    U has given the FACTS, I can testify to this, because all she ” blathered” was the truth, I should know !
    And.. she did say.. she does not know, how many jews were killed, neither do I.
    All we know is what they are telling us almost daily.
    What upsets me about this, is that all the others who were tortured and killed by Hitler, the Poles, the german populous in general… the French.. all of Europe.. and all over the world where he could reach.
    What about all those Stalin and Lenin, and Oh Dear, all those milliions catholocism killed.. all those get no mention.. yet the jews do. At this, I get angry too. Bottomline is money here. I understand this.
    But to call U’s very correct research” Blather ” is NOT OK w. me, it’s obnoxious and rude. You owe her an apology, Big Time.

  26. stef Says:

    Apology? Wait for it…wait for it…I feel one coming…naw! just a fart.

    Listen, you’re okay Celline. I’ve responded to your questions and I’ve been civil in my replies but, please, mind your own business.

    If I say Ursa is blathering, then she is.

    You’re right re. only the jews ever get mentionned, and mentionned, and mentionnned ad nauseum.

    It’s of no consequence to me whether you and Ursa were both in Germany at the time, were twins separated at birth, knew Hitler personally or even intimately…both of you, regarding Hitler and the rest of that fantastical story, are just mouthing nonsense.

    Fight your own battles, Celline, and let others do likewise. Okay?

    Odd. For some reason the comedy, “The Producers” comes to mind.

    “Springtime for Hitler and Germany…” Funny shit that.

    See ya!

  27. ericswan Says:

    This Hitler debate is interesting. I don’t suppose any of you know that he wrote a second book?


  28. stef Says:

    Thanks Ericswan. I hope this isn’t another of your “Hitler lived to be 114 years old” gags.

    I have some serious reading to do.

    I’ll be back.


  29. ericswan Says:

    Hitler passed away on Jan. 14, 2004. His alias was William Crookes and passed away at the age of 114.


    No, I wasn’t pulling your leg.

  30. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, I could be outright rude and call some of what you say blathering, and sometimes think so, but have restrained myself. For the very reason that normally I am not a rude person, but rather respect other people’s opinion, even if it differs from mine. I wished you were as considerate.

    I thought I made it clear that I was NOT around during Hitler’s time, since I was born in 1953, several years after the war. My parents lived through the Hitler years and the war in their youth. Meaning that I only know what I have been told, and what I have read.

    And yes, I have read credible eye witness accounts. I talked to people who were there. And I had to live in poverty during my growing up years thanks to what happened to my parents and Hamburg, where I grew up, being almost completely destroyed during the war.

    Who are you that you should play the high and mighty and discredit what I am saying?

  31. Celline Says:

    @ U, don’t bother, not worth it. There’s no herb growing anywhere that cures ignorance and low IQ.

  32. Ursa Major Says:

    Foundingfather, those jackets remind me immediately of the jacket I wore (and my children did) when I was part of St. John Ambulance. Because they look very much like that.

    Those young people also wear beige pants, not black or brown ones (but we wore black ones in St. John Ambulance).

    I don’t know enough of that ‘City Year’ thing to really have an opinion. But it doesn’t appear to be para-military, but rather is about helping out in the community, especially with kids.

    Many young people are unsure of what they want to do right out of high school. Taking a year to do something worthwhile while figuring out what to do next seems like a sensible thing to do. As long as it isn’t forced on all young people but a choice, I don’t see a problem.

    I do have a problem with the Canadian system that forces high school students to do 40 hours of community work in order to be allowed to graduate from high school, though. Not because kids helping in the community is a bad idea, but because they are forced to do it.

    I guess I just hate the public school system. It has never been about education, but has always been about brainwashing and making kids conform. Public schools really are prisons for kids. They don’t have a choice, as they are dragged to school by police if they decide they don’t want to go.

    Here in Canada they just decided this year that now kids are forced to attend school until they are 18, not just 16. Personally, I wished they could do what young people did a long time ago, before forced schooling. Once they had learned the basics needed (reading, writing, arithmetic) , they’d specialize in what they wanted to do for a living. Either university or an apprenticeship, or just work.

    In those days, the literacy rate in North America was 98%. Now the rate of functional illiteracy is getting worse and worse.

    More and more people are homeschooling (I used to, my oldest daughter is doing it, and my son’s kids will be homeschooled, to escape the brainwashing of the public schools). But I wonder how long it will be before it is outlawed in North America, just as it is in Europe.

  33. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Hello Ursa,

    I guess the implications of that video are clearer to me because I have seen Obama call for a “Domestic Security Force” as big as the military:


    And I have seen Obama Jugend stomping around in a very militaristic way:


    And then I see the commercial for the “Year of Change” corp (or whatever they are calling it) wearing Red and Black jackets over white shirts when strangely enough, Red, Black and White were the colors of the Nazi flag? Well it is more than a little creepy to me. I do not believe anything good will come from that program, which they are trying to market as just an “educational year” of civic service for youth. In reality a group like that is a precursor of tyranny.

    Regarding public education…….you are quite correct. It is nothing more than calculated dumbing down and brainwashing.

    But don’t take my opinion. Here are some experts that know very well what “Public Education” is all about:

    Charlotte Iserbyt – Former education Secretary under Reagan and author of the FREE e-book “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America” which is available here:


    And John Taylor Gatto – former NY “Teacher of the Year”


    Here is a brief video of John Taylor Gatto discussing modern education (only 9 minutes long and WELL WORTH WATCHING!):


    The “youth groups” the Obama Administration is now actively forming are nothing more than “Public Education” programs on steroids. The STATE is molding them for its own purpose. That purpose is not a benevolent one I assure you.


  34. stef Says:

    Yes, of course, ’tis I, Celline, have a low IQ because I don’t bray the same bs you and your soul-sister do.

    “[…] they’d specialize in what they wanted to do for a living. Either university or an apprenticeship, or just work” and therein lies the demonic brilliance of the jew mind. I never expected you sanctimonious broads to understand.

    Specialize. Globalize. Compartmentalize: khazar talmudic “jews” have instilled “lies” aplenty ‘in our every day speech ’cause that’s what their demonic Torah commands them do. Confuse and distract and lie when they do “business” with the goyim.

    That means us, you dumb twats. Us, as in you and me and every non-jew– goyim. Means cattle. You wouldn’t know because you broads are, in fact, as dumb as cattle. You, and your unspeakeably ignorant ilk, are proof positive the jew is right.

    Ask your dear Ursa to explain it to you Celline, if she can, that is.

    911Truth etc.

  35. stef Says:

    In passing, Ursa, I’ve only rarely, if ever, addressed myself directly to you and if I have, then it must have been “under the influence” and I confess, I draw a blank.

    So how can you, Ursa, even if you are over-extending every inefficient molecule in your pathetically feeble brain, accuse me of rudeness or of anything else?


    Silly woman. I repeat, silly woman.

  36. foundingfather1776 Says:

    *sigh*…..and we were all playing so nicely for a while……

    Ladies……Stef…….I am not going to referee anything. You can flame away at each other. But it does not add to the quality of the discussion.

    I think informing or ignoring is preferable to inciting and infighting.

    I was just hoping we could keep the ambiance around here a bit higher than an episode of “The Jerry Springer Show.”


  37. Ursa Major Says:

    Ah yes, Stefan (where in Europe did you hail from?), you sure have a problem. When you don’t like what you read you suddenly get very insulting. The true you is showing, which is not a very charming picture.

    When I talk about specializing, I mean ‘doing what they want to do’. As in becoming an artist (and not needing to take math several times in a row when math is not what they are good at), or a mechanic (not needing to take French for that), or going to university if they want to become a doctor etc.

    What the heck does that have to do with ‘Globalize, compartmentalize?’

    I object to young people being imprisoned in a hated school when they could be doing better things with their lives than hanging out with other youth who are just as disillusioned with being forced to learn stuff they have no interest in. The only thing that breeds is discontent and youth gangs, since those kids have nothing worthwhile to do.

    In response to being called a dumb twat I could think of some very pertinent choice insults for the likes of you, but as I said previously, I have more class than that, so will refrain from doing so (even though it WOULD give me some satisfaction).

    Foundingfather, you have some good points when talking about the ‘year of choice’. Since it is Obama’s idea, I agree that it is probably not good (actually, I don’t know if he has any ideas of his own, as he is just a puppet). In fact, the Hitler Youth started out as just a fun kid’s club kind of thing, too, which developed into something much more sinister in the end.

    I have read Gatto’s speeches and know he is speaking the truth. I have also done a lot of research on the ACLU and the early beginnings of public education when I contemplated homeschooling many years ago.

    In fact, public education originated in Prussia. The general idea was to raise perfect, conforming soldiers for their armies, who would do whatever they were told without question.

    When the American government saw how well it worked, they decided that it was exactly what was needed here to discourage individualism and to encourage conformity and to make sure kids thought and learned whatever the government wanted them to.

    When my three older kids went to public school I was engaged in a constant battle with the schools over who controlled their minds. With the two youngest I decided I was sick of it and schooled them myself.

  38. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, I shall henceforth ignore you. As for feebleminded, you should call yourself fortunate if your IQ would be as high as mine. I’ll leave it at that.

  39. clark Says:

    @stef, man, that was pretty bad, uncalled for and all that. Better to have said nothing. I suspect you’re being affected by the chemtrails (or you’re just short tempered). It does sometimes make a person abrasive, callous, combative, argumentative and down-right hostile, usually uncontrollably so. You often don’t know it’s affecting you, if you’re, “lucky” you’ll realize it afterwards. I’ve experienced it, and I’ve seen others experience it, as well as heard second hand reports of it. I guess that’s what’s headed my way, great. I hope I can avoid the bi-polar mimicking fallout somehow.

    Did you see the photos of the Army’s new spy blimp? It’s not too hard to imagine an additional use for chemtrails is to hide a couple of those creeping above us doing their thing at 20,000′ but then again, why wouldn’t they just use their new and improved invisibility cloak? – I can’t believe I can say invisibility cloak in a serious conversation, that just floors me that it is so real and so true. This whole entire conversation is ridiculous, but the freaky part is, it all could very well be true and most of it is already proven to be true. I was a fan of the Twilight Zone, but I never wanted to be in an episode, where is the off button, or better yet, the rewind button, say 1980?

    Such a cheery off-topic subject, the New Hitler-Obama Youth Groups. After the economy tanks and unemployment is 25% for awhile they will claim they can’t release them, it would be the mean thing to do, what with no jobs available, so douse those New Hitler-Obama Youth Groups with some aggression fumes and set ‘em loose on the population as inspectors, stopping every so often to build some freedom gates and bridges, or set ‘em up as palace guards, then maintain the whole lot for a couple of years which turns into twenty-five years, IF they could get their way. You know, for the children of the environment and all. Operator – stop the ride, I want off!

    I got too many URL’s to read.

  40. ericswan Says:

    Good stuff Clark but 20,000 ft puts the blimps in the danger zone. I believe it’s 50,000 ft. which can only be seen with a telescope. You inquired about the height of chemtrail aircraft in my area in a previous post. My opinion is that they are above 35,000 ft and it is easy to photograph and visualize these rather large craft even at that elevation. Especially easy when they have a tail from horizon to horizon but those without trails, I mostly can hear before they are out of sight.

    I think members of the group have brought up several points as it concerns the “dumbing down” process going on in public ed. It’s difficult for those way beyond the education system (including teachers) to discover the truth of the Jesuits and their systematic distortion and subsequent machinations of torture, sexual predation and racist distortions of their place in the sun.
    Many here are still mostly unaware of the physics of gravity, magnetism, electricity and the interractions between these forces. This was intentional as Maxwell’s equations pointed out in the 1860’s that there is a flow of energy around a magnet that is at right angles to the north south pole or to those who need more information, a powerline gathers energy from the “ether” which explains why anyone standing under a large power transmission tower can light a flourescent bulb by extending same at arms length. Morgan, Westinghouse, Edison et al suppressed this free energy so that they could “sell” power to the masses. Energy should be free by now but those educated in the subject of electricity don’t know the truth.

    The collapse of WTC at the speed of freefall is more disinformation meant to dumb down the public.

    The chemistry and human interraction of chlorine, flourine, mercury, and rf from cell phones, transmission lines, cell towers, etc;, has been covered up so that the chemical electrical body we all have, is attacked and degraded constantly. Our need for trace minerals to supplement cell health is ignored.

  41. stef Says:

    Ladies, I apologize. Ditto Founding Father.

    The vapours of war must have seeped into me yesterday. Clark, what you’ve written is perfect and correct, in every respect. I thank you.

    Aside from the always informative content, I find your writing has a lovely tone and rhythm to it. It’s pleasing. Soothing too. And, at this juncture, we all need a little soothing, eh?

    The horrifying possibility that the chems had affected my state of mind struck me right after my “episoody.”

    Then I read your remarks, Clark. It’s a fact Chems (along with the plethora of other goodies they wield) can alter moods.

    And it’s happened before. On the other hand, it could the actual sight of those bastards laying the trails irritates me to such a degree I take my ire out on those around me.

    A friend related a similar experience. People explode with rage and then move on as nothing had happened. No rhyme or reason to it, she said. She’s aware of this and worries.

    “Dousing [….] with aggression fumes,” could, indeed, set us at each other’s throats. Tweak the dosage and we’d do the dirty work of culling the population for our masters.

    Obomba brain-washed youths, invisible blimps, the “greenies” and now this. One more thing to fret over.

    “You’ve just crossed over into the Twilight Zone.”

    Thanks again Clark.

    Eric: I’m reading Hitler’s book. Thanks.

  42. Dude Says:

    wow, i went partying for a couple days and theres a book here to read. i completely understand stefs frustration with the ladies as celline and truth have offended me with their blind adherance to their programmed beliefs without evidence and in direct violation of the Bible they try to preach about. Some of em seem to be incredibly sucked into the dog-bone distractions too (palin, cruise, etc) and that really annoys me.

    #1 America is the land God promised to Jacob, not the little shithole in the middle east. The Bible says that Abraham will be a father to MANY nations and Zion would have 2 sisters and the Israelites would be numbered like the stars. I am getting where I despise people who spout off about the Bible and have no clue whats in it. They are doing the work of Satan and most are completely oblivious to that fact.

    #2 There is an herb that will help make you smarter and that is Hemp. and God said that it was good!!!

    No one has seen their southern skies. WHY?????????????????????
    probably this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm2kaCJvx6w

    You all have less than 4 months before this war. Has anyone done ANYTHING at all to prepare?

    Ill put it here again in case somebody falls, hits their head, gets some sense, and decides to read this (but i doubt it):

  43. Ursa Major Says:

    Okay, Dude, so that you can’t say people don’t want to know what you are talking about, I read your document. And I mean all of it, every word.

    That was a lot of work, to gather all that and write the comments. I have to give you that.

    I don’t know if you are right or wrong. Because it is your interpretation of things. It is possible to interpret signs and writing in many different ways.

    So, we will just have to wait and see what happens. Just in case, I will try to hoard water and food before October, especially if I see that things might really move towards war. I know it is possible.

    I also know that you can explode a nuclear bomb way up high, and knock out all electricity in a huge area. Not even cars would run for weeks or months.

    It is a fact that China practically owns the USA already, and that both China and Russia would love to take over America.

    There is not a whole lot we can do, and I don’t believe my husband would listen anyway and prepare or move to a safer place. And neither would any of my children. I am so ill that without medication I would not live long. So, if everything is gone, and there is no more medicine, I won’t have to worry long, but will join my Lord Jesus in Heaven.

    But thanks for trying to warn us here, I do appreciate it. It is all in God’s hands anyway. Anything that happens he allows to happen, and he can stop it if he wants to.

    As for Nibiru…………. we will soon enough see if it is true or not. I don’t really believe it, but may be wrong. Obviously I don’t know everything (and neither do you, only God does).

  44. clark Says:

    Sunny, early morning and afternoon partial chemtrails, diminishing throughout the day. Limited southern view.

    Did you see this? A new cloud, so they say. Now you get to see what I’ve seen a lot of. I’ll have to read your comments above later.

    Iowa woman’s photo sparks push for new cloud type
    By MICHAEL J. CRUMB, Associated Press Writer


    “It looked like Armageddon,” said Wiggins, a paralegal and amateur photographer in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

  45. Ursa Major Says:

    Clark, on the previous page I put a video and link to this ‘new’ cloud. Here it is again:


    I commented there. But it said that because they get thousands of comments each day, it could take a while for comments to appear, since they all have to be first approved by a moderator.

    Of course, I know that mine will NEVER appear, since I am otherwise going to shatter their pretty picture of this ‘cool’ new cloud. But maybe the moderator will wake up and do some research.

    Here the sky was totally obliterated this morning, completely white. But when I looked closer, I could sort of see the sun through this thick cover, and a new chemtrail right next to the sun and some ripples.

    In the meantime it is raining here (here being north of Toronto, Ontario, Canada).

  46. Celline Says:

    all is getting worse, it is cold and the sky is covered with : a new kind of ” clouds” i don’t know how to discribe. It looks like Cream of wheat.. that lumped while you were cooking it. Yes, lumpy cream of wheat.
    All over, it’s new, except the velcros here and there. The South is totally on white out, as usual. This is no longer Southern Cal.. this is sick.
    The weatherman sais:” These are leftovers from a monsoon in the tropics, that moved our way”. Lies Lies Lies.

  47. ericswan Says:

    I posted to that cloud page a week ago. Still no sign of chemtrails in any comments.

    Dude..Looked at your Oct. 9, 2009 piece. It’s been more than a week for you to figure out how to link it here. That’s progress. As for your prognostications, the fall of 2009 is on the radar for many similar events. Personally, I think you should expand on why you see this specific date in the scriptures you posted. All I’m getting is a problem in the fall and that no certain year is indicated. Try to respond to a post instead of barrelling ahead with your program. I’m listening.

  48. ericswan Says:

    When one is sweating heavily and not eating salty food, salt deficiency symptoms especially cramping are likely to develop within a few days. To prevent this, 6 or 8 grams of salt (about 1/4 oz, or 1/2 tablespoon) should be consumed daily in food and drink. If little or no food is eaten, this small daily salt ration should be added to drinking water. Under hot conditions, a little salt makes water taste better.


    Most families have only a few large containers that could be used for carrying water to a shelter and storing it in adequate amounts for several weeks. Polyethylene trash bags make practical expedient water containers when used as waterproof liners inside smaller fabric bags or pillowcases. (Plastic bags labeled a& being treated with insecticides or odor-controlling chemicals should not be used.) Figure 8.1 shows a teenage boy carrying over 10 gallons (more than 80 pounds) of water, well balanced front and back for efficient packing. Each of his two burlap bags is lined with two 20-gallon polyethylene trash bags, one inside the other. (To avoid possible pinhole leakage it is best to put one waterproof bag inside another.)

    To close a plastic bag of water so that hardly any will leak out, first spread the top of the bag until the two inner sides of the opening are together. Then fold in the center so that the folded opening is 4 thicknesses, and smooth (see Fig. 8.2). Continue smoothly folding in the middle until the whole folded-up opening is only about 1-1/2 inches wide. Then fold the top of the bag over on itself so the folded-up opening points down. With a strip of cloth or a soft cord, bind and tie the folded-over part with a bow knot.

  49. stef Says:

    Bought the telescope today. Fair-sized, for star gazing mainly, sturdy stand, three lenses (for now) and a few other knick-knacks. A little over 600$. My bro decided overnight and gave the go-ahead and there it stands in MY living room, proud as a peacock.

    I know Dude, it’s not N ever A S traight A nswer, but it’ll do. Since we only have 4 months and counting, I’ll see what I may with what I can. Thanks again for the info on telescopes. It was very helpful in making our choice.

    No way to see anything but clouds, cloud coverage in every direction resulting from their frenzied cheming all day yesterday.

    That’s okay. I won’t let it get me down. There’s bound to be a few hours of sky at some point and I’ll be at the ready.

    I’m a neophyte at this…I’ll learn.

    Thanks Eric for your excellent tips. Keep ’em comin’

  50. Dude Says:

    Ursa, thank you and i hope your savings will help you. yes, nukes will eliminate pretty much all electronics. College didnt so much teach me things but taught me how much there is that i will never know. I do know there will be a big war here and Nibiru will come and end it.

    eric: i didnt write an oct 9, 2009 piece. i said the war will be on 10-10-09 and I didnt say it, Ezekiel said it. As far as pasting URLS, thats not new to me and Ive pasted a few. as for the date thing…..again, its in my document….several references to the date and time of year and about it being 2 years before the great earthquake are near the end of it. And thats a good idea for carrying water. For storage, you might want to consider tanks from 1000-10000 gal. there are a lot of tanks for a lot of things….the bigger the better and underground the best. we require a lot of water to survive too and we will need 3 years of it at least.

  51. Dude Says:

    stef: one cool thing to do is take a pic of the moon up close making sure you get the border thats in the sunlight. You will be able to see a blue ring around it, indicating an atmosphere. another great one from nasa bites the dust! You can tape a digital camera to the eyepiece and use the zoom to fit pic to the image in the eyepiece.

    youre not going to see Nibiru though. They arent going to let you. Im working on a plan to fly over them now but dont know whats gonna come of it.

    so what did you get?

  52. stef Says:

    Dude: Have you found an answer to my question about Biblical or ancient texts announcing or suggesting or hinting there would be some sort of great divide between the “aware” and the walking-dead in the endtimes?

    From what I’ve read of your comments you best can answer that, or any other, Biblical question.


  53. Dude Says:

    stef: i havent read anything suggesting that so far. the bible says “they will believe lies” and several variants of that. it also says numerous times that we are a stiffnecked people and others would believe where we would not.

    one prophecy, mother shipton maybe, talked about the enlightened ones returning to teach us how to be spiritual, which would fit with Gods angels returning, gathering us from the nations and bringing us home to america. theres a ton of stuff I havent read yet and its summer and im trying to get in some fun since its the last summer.

    What scope did you get?

  54. Ursa Major Says:

    I forgot last time I posted. Stef, apology accepted.

    Almost everything I learned and know I taught myself AFTER I was done school. I hated school, I was bored to tears, was bullied to death and wanted to desperately get away and learn what I wanted to learn, not the junk they decided I should learn.

    School is prison for kids. I can’t understand how some kids actually like it. I didn’t from day one all the way to the end. Maybe it is because I don’t conform. Ever. Never have and never will. Of course, it has always gotten me into trouble, because people expect you to conform or else.

    Dude, I have always wondered what it was Ezekiel saw in his vision. Your explanation is the first one I’ve read that seems to actually make sense. Before I was always told that I ‘just have to believe’. But I can’t do that without a reasonable explanation! Normally there are always logical answers somewhere to everything the Bible says, but this one has been bugging me for a very long time.

    I hate it when people tell me to just go by faith. Paul himself says to ‘question everything’, so as not to fall for false teachings. It is right and good to question and to look for answers. When I get a reasonable answer it strengthens my faith rather than weakening it.

  55. stef Says:

    Again, our writing overlaps.

    Dude, it’s the brand name of the store. They sell binoculors and microscopes too. I’d call it a no-name brand, but all the telescopes, from 100$ up to
    12,000$, were made in China. Names like Celestron etc.

    Busy store. Lots of people buying telescopes. Makes you wonder, or maybe not.

    Magnana amigo.

  56. Dude Says:

    stef: what kind then? reflector, refractor? size? magnification? base? you can walk in a store and buy a 12 grand telescope? we dont have stores like that.

    Ursa: you sound exactly like me at school. i didnt stay at any one of them very long until college then they couldnt get me to leave hardly, haha. i homeschool too as i wouldnt put up with their crap way back when, i know im not gonna make my kid put up with the prison camps they have now. Yea, whenever somebody tells you you must believe something, and especially when they have no supporting evidence, thats the time really look at it and start questioning (and thinking).

  57. clark Says:

    @Dude, one thing in the Bible I do know is there, “be of good cheer.”
    Have some patience too.
    Yes, Some of em seem to be incredibly sucked into the dog-bone distractions… Partly from plain old human nature. But they are certainly not as bad as the people who are clueless and hostile.
    You and I, no one knows if they will be saved or not, so don’t make that judgment. You sound like your a bit chemtrail fallout affected too. [It wore off, it’s noticeable in your later posts.] Those girls, or even I, may or may not be doing bad, but compared to the really bad people in this world, I’d say they were doing good, only God knows. Even if they did a little bad, they might still be a-ok in Gods eyes – using as an example – those two criminals who were on either side of Jesus on the cross. I can, however; relate to your frustration.

    The jets are using the new stuff quite a bit. They almost look like regular contrails now, almost.

    @eric, thanks for mentioning the altitude and stuff. That electrical/ether bit was really fascinating,
    xClouds created by chemtrails, they float down below the jets to about 20,000′ – 15,000’? (just from eye-balling the distance from the jets, if the jets are at 40,000‘) perfect cover for a blimp.

    Someone mentioned collecting samples earlier, another idea to do so is with a model rocket, maybe?

    My southern sky wound up being totally clouded over.

    If I’m meant to die from the sword of God, there’s nothing I can do about that. How would one prepare? Pray and hope. Keep in mind also, the story of the guy who survived after being near ground zero (twice) when the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan. Sure, nuclear bombs are more destructive nowadays, but, the guy survived and so did many others. But, of course if the Bible says everyone will die, then they will die. But I forget, was it die/be destroyed, or be struck by the sword? If you’re struck by the sword, and you say the Bible says a sword = war, then it is possible to survive being struck by the sword. No? Or was it perish by the sword? In which case, the words from another I will post:

    “while I agree with you that the US will soon descend into chaos and revolution I don’t think that running away will help you. … perhaps you should read Isaiah Chapter13 in which he describes the end times and the multi-cultural societies of today: “And in those days every man shall turn to his own people and everyone shall try to flee to his own land but all who are caught on the way shall be thrust through and all who are joined to them shall perish by the sword.”
    I wouldn’t advise anyone to emigrate unless it’s back to the country they came from, it could be their death warrant. What the Nazis did in the 1930’s and 1940’s was a mere dress rehearsal for what is about to take place on a global scale. Foreigners who are seen as taking jobs and food from the mouths of the indigenous are going to be massacred.”

    [I haven’t verified if that is what Chapter 13 says.]

    Or, maybe it’s important to be heck out of Dodge well before 10-10-09?

    I was a bit aggravated this evening, after I spent some time out under the latest chemtrails, it was noticeable to me, but it wasn‘t that strong. It’s somewhat easier to control if you know what the cause is,… sometimes.

    Have you ever heard of the White Rose?

    @Dude, moon with an atmosphere? I noticed the ring around the moon several years ago, as if my eyes were filled with chlorine after swimming. I thought the effect was from substances in the (our) atmosphere. I have seen the effect many times.

    Stef steals the show, I look forward to reading what he finds. It seems like Dude might too if he doesn’t get put to sleep on his flight. I think, on many flights the passengers are deprived of oxygen, enough to make them fall asleep for the ride, but I only have second hand accounts to go by.

    Sorry about my long post(s) I didn’t want ‘em to be long either. It’s not like this is just any-ole chat.

  58. stef Says:

    It’s gracious of you, Ursa, and I thank you.

    I’m one of those kids who loved school. Chaotic home, so school meant order and tranquility. Sanctuary…a place where I could study with some expectation of peace & quiet.

    Actually, I’ve never stopped going to school…college, university, extra-curricular courses in painting, film, theatre, name it. I even like that particular smell of schools. You know the one.

    The academic environment is, for me, gratifying. Never been bullied. And I’ve had many splendid teachers. Then again, I’ve always behaved towards authority with a mix of barely disguised contempt and a dollop of insolence. Risky, but it has served me well.

    You wouldn’t believe the taboo topics I’ve brought up in classes leading to a lot of pretty “dynamic” debates.

    Still, you need be only half-way articulate to flip a class on its head. Time and again, fellow students have thanked me for saying in class what they were too timid, or lacked the self-assurance to say.

    Anyway, thanks again.
    Exhausting day, ignore my typos etc.


  59. Dude Says:

    clark:youre right..good cheer and patience. haha two years now and noones done anything. most of the family ignores me. half the friends got hostile or mean. lemme look waaaay deep into my soul…there might be a little good cheer left….no wait, thats my heineken bottle.

    one doesnt need chemtrails to have different moods. yes the people here are way more educated and tolerant of things than most. Sorry if i seem impatient. others are plucking my nerves too.

    Bible says to leave and you save your lives. Isaiah 13 is talking about people here trying to go home, wherever home is. thats probably one of the least significant verses in that chapter. Keep reading, like the whole book in a night. read one big book or several little books in a night. its very very repetitive and details are scattered. rereading brings out details missed in previous readings.

    Im not talking about a ring around the moon. Im talking about a faint blue glow thats very close to the moon and very thin and you cant see it without a telescope. and its only on the side of the moon facing the sun.

  60. stef Says:

    Dude, quick answer 6 cm ?, reflecting, as for the rest I’ll tell you tomorrow, if you’re still interested.

    Clark: Thanks. And thanks again.

    Guys, gals, I’m typung wiht my head on the keyburd.

    Tire d..Gots to bed.
    Take care.

  61. stef Says:

    lemme look waaaay deep into my soul…there might be a little good cheer left….no wait, thats my heineken bottle.

    Funny Dude.

  62. ericswan Says:

    Mood swings are not an effect of chemtrails but of the HAARP e/m being pumped through chemtrails and broadcast at levels which affect humans.

  63. ericswan Says:

    Advocating genocide

    318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

    Definition of “genocide”

    (2) In this section, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,

    (a) killing members of the group; or

    (b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.


    (3) No proceeding for an offence under this section shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.

    Definition of “identifiable group”

    (4) In this section, “identifiable group” means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

    R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 318; 2004, c. 14, s. 1.

  64. ericswan Says:

    Incoming space rocks now classified
    By Leonard David • SPACE.com’s Space Insider Columnist • June 10, 2009

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    For 15 years, scientists have benefited from data gleaned by U.S. classified satellites of natural fireball events in Earth’s atmosphere – but no longer.

    A recent U.S. military policy decision now explicitly states that observations by hush-hush government spacecraft of incoming bolides and fireballs are classified secret and are not to be released, SPACE.com has learned.

    The satellites’ main objectives include detecting nuclear bomb tests, and their characterizations of asteroids and lesser meteoroids as they crash through the atmosphere has been a byproduct data bonanza for scientists.

    The upshot: Space rocks that explode in the atmosphere are now classified.

    “It’s baffling to us why this would suddenly change,” said one scientist familiar with the work. “It’s unfortunate because there was this great synergy…a very good cooperative arrangement. Systems were put into dual-use mode where a lot of science was getting done that couldn’t be done any other way. It’s a regrettable change in policy.”

    Scientists say not only will research into the threat from space be hampered, but public understanding of sometimes dramatic sky explosions will be diminished, perhaps leading to hype and fear of the unknown.

    Most “shooting stars” are caused by natural space debris no larger than peas. But routinely, rocks as big as basketballs and even small cars crash into the atmosphere. Most vaporize or explode on the way in, but some reach the surface or explode above the surface. Understandably, scientists want to know about these events so they can better predict the risk here on Earth.

    Yet because the world is two-thirds ocean, most incoming objects aren’t visible to observers on the ground. Many other incoming space rocks go unnoticed because daylight drowns them out.

    Over the last decade or so, hundreds of these events have been spotted by the classified satellites. Priceless observational information derived from the spacecraft were made quickly available, giving researchers such insights as time, a location, height above the surface, as well as light-curves to help pin down the amount of energy churned out from the fireballs.
    more here…….http://floridatoday.com/article/20090610/BREAKINGNEWS/90610048/1086

  65. Dude Says:

    mood swings are also caused by waking up, dealing with idiots, various drugs, having a firecracker lit under your ass, etc….

    It doesnt surprise me about them classifying asteroid events since Nibiru is going to bring a ton of them with it. Some are already arriving. Thats another effect of Nibiru thats described in the Bible.

  66. ericswan Says:

    Here’s a link to the declassified NRO sats with data that leads you down the yellow brick road to nowhere.

    Click to access 1384a.pdf

  67. Dude Says:

    Cool. I updated my doc with that and more news and added a couple more chemtrail pics to maybe open peoples’ eyes.

    you find that on http://whatreallyhappened.com ?

  68. clark Says:

    The new chemtrails are just broken up chemtrails here, now. Normally a full chemtrail is horizon to horizon. So, now, 1/8 of the chemtrail then a break of about -what say- 20 jet lengths, then another 1/8, then five or ten jet lengths, etc…

    I know someone who was up north of me who saw the new xclouds, said they didn’t go away quickly, lasted a long time.

    @Dude, I was waiting in a parking lot watching the jets do their chemtrail thing above the obliviotrons walking out from shopping. I was watching one jet veer off course abruptly [that caught my attention they never veer here, just straight line.] at an angle towards an area where, at first I thought it was the glint off a jet, then after it disappeared behind a cloud and didn’t re-emerge I thought maybe it was a meteorite of some kind. But it didn’t streak or anything. The image was kind of burned into my mind like you get when someone flashes a camera flash at you, a tiny round spot. I didn’t think much of it until I showed someone your latest 10-10-09 page and they pointed out your picture of PlanetX where you ask, “What’s this spot?” Then it hit me. [The size in relation to the Sun is about the same as I saw.] I didn’t say nothing, then the person I’m showing your website to acts startled and says, “I think I’ve seen this before. At first I thought I was freaking out. I thought it was a really weird reflection and I couldn’t figure out what it was.” This was from an astronomy buff.
    The one I saw was in my Western sky.
    If I didn’t already mention it, if you feel like it, you can re-adjust your trajectory for the B-52 bomber flight path on your image to have it track over Western Illinois. I know I saw one at the time of the event and I‘m pretty certain that was the one. I cannot recall the direction though. Or is it common for them to fly over cities? I think they have a base for them in Illinois, but I have never seen one flying in this area before. While I never once looked at the exhaust from jets, for decades I’ve looked at the jet themselves, not once did I see a B-52, they are unmistakable.
    I haven’t re-read Ezekiel yet and I’m getting more and more convinced every day.

    @Ursa Major, I finally got to watch the video you posted. Awesome. Thanks for posting it. It was perfect. I hope the indoor city slickers watch it and wonder. I see that Yahoo upped the xcloud article to top billing spot.

    @eric, do you think this is where the flights originate?

    Robert Harney should squeal and tell all.

  69. clark Says:

    Maybe this would help with finding and seeing it with a telescope: What I saw was just above the 10 O’clock position, at about 8 p.m. CST, slightly North of the Sun.

  70. stef Says:

    Hi all!

    Dude, you said it: Waking up is one thing, but waking up to a milky white sky? From Dr.Jekyll to Mr.Hyde in a flash. This morning for instance! Pass the Heinekin, man…

    My bro and I stayed up till 3 am. Very cloudy (real ones) hence, we had to wait for it to clear up. No chems and we futzed around a lot trying to acquaint ourselves with the telescope.

    We decided to buy sun lenses and filters (?) this week, plus a couple of more powerful lenses for nights.

    Thanks for the info, man. Keep it coming…

    Clark: Obliviotrons. Funny. I become deranged when I see the retards charging about with their “green” bags staring straight ahead or at their feet while their benighted heads…ugh! F…k ’em, I say.

    So you think you saw it, eh? I’ve read your comment a couple of times, and I’m still not clear. Approximately how far from the sun did this glint appear? A hands breadth? Arm’s length? Finger? And the jet veered to do what?

    “There’s a little black spot on the sun today
    It’s the same old thing as yesterday
    There’s a black cat caught in a high tree top
    There’s a flag-pole rag and the wind won’t stop”

    FF this has become one of my favourite watering-holes.

    Thanks Everybody!

    911TruthNOW (USrael)

  71. stef Says:

    Sorry re. typos. Meant “over their benighted heads” but I’m sure you figured that out.

    Clark: Writing overlap. Thanks.


  72. Ursa Major Says:

    I meant of course, always right in front of the ‘sun’, not ‘son’ in my second paragraph above.

  73. Ursa Major Says:

    We had mostly blue sky with some real white clouds most of the day yesterday. Of course, that can’t be allowed to continue, right?

    I went to a village north of me yesterday evening to babysit my grandson, and saw plenty of chemtrails on my way (ALWAYS right in front of the son during sunset for some reason). Stopped often to take pictures, and then, after the baby was asleep and parents gone, went outside and took pictures of evil looking sunset.

    Of course, as expected, milky white sky this morning. Yuck. There isn’t even any texture to it any more, just a thick, white covering.

    Stef, I agree with the idiots ‘charging about with their green bags’, NEVER looking up. Mind you, since here they have now started charging us for every plastic bag we use at the store, I’ve started using fabric bags, too. But being green is not my religion, I do it because I have no intentions of paying for stupid plastic bags.

    I wonder what those dummies think when I get out of my car at the store, look at the sky, get out my camera and take a bunch of pictures before going shopping. 🙂 It happens wherever I go.

  74. Ursa Major Says:

    Hey, my little comment above went ABOVE the one I was commenting on! What is going on?

  75. foundingfather1776 Says:

    WordPress weirdness. It stacks the comments automatically. It has gotten better but there are still quirks.

  76. stef Says:

    Ursa, I do likewise re. bags and I make a stink at the cash every time explaining how we’ve been paying for the bags all along anyway, they are included in the price, how I recycle them, how they’ll end up having to BUY little plastic kitchen bags in the long run…bla-bla.

    A number of people leaving stores with loose, unbagged merchandise looking displeased. That’s good.

    Forgive me, Ursa&Celline, but when I start my “bag” harangue the men always nod in agreement, whereas women frown and purse their lips and some say, “But we’re trying to protect to environment” … I tell you, it is hopeless.

    Women tend to be more passive, less questioning, love to do “what’s best,” you know…obey the guvmint, and all that.


    Think it was Schopenhauer said, “The best part of a woman’s brain is expelled with the placenta.”


    Seeing you taking pictures of the sky must intrigue a few. Good for you, Ursa. Think I’ll do likewise. So your IQ IS higher than mine after all.

    Been reading about Nibiru on lots of sites, no mention of chemtrails, some say it’s a Jesuit lie/plot, but a number of scientific types advising there’s reason to worry and prepare etc.

    Question: Dude, Clark saw it at 10:00 o’clock. Others say 4-5 o’clock and still others, one must look into the sun to see it…???

    Anyway, once the sun filters/lenses are on we’ll take a good look all around, at different times.

    Thanks again.

  77. stef Says:

    “The collapse of WTC at the speed of freefall is more disinformation meant to dumb down the public.”

    What do you mean? Please explain, Eric.


  78. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, you didn’t offend me with your comment. For many women that is very true.

    If you look up ‘Asperger Syndrome’ you would realize that my brain is wired more like a man’s brain. I don’t think like other women, that is why in gatherings I usually end up talking to the men rather than the women. Men usually talk about things worth talking about, and won’t get all offended when a heated discussion ensues, in fact, they enjoy it.

    All most (not all, obviously) women want to talk about is shopping, fashion, hair, cooking and babies.

    I hate shopping for clothing, do it only when I have to. Fashion is entirely meaningless to me, I wear whatever I want and like (and it better be comfortable or I won’t wear it, and that includes shoes), and only buy new things when the old ones wear out. And my hair is in an easy bob, I can’t be bothered fussing with it. I am a great cook, but do it only because I have to, I don’t enjoy cooking and baking. It stops me from doing my research. 😉

    I do like to talk about my grandchildren (I have eleven, and one more within a month), because they are obviously the cutest and smartest kids on the planet. 🙂

    I only take those pictures in public when none of my family members are with me. Otherwise they would get angry with me. I am a constant embarrassment to them, because I am different and do ‘weird’ things like taking pictures of ‘perfectly normal clouds and contrails’, claiming they are not normal. Ugh

    And I HATE the government, rarely is there a politician anywhere in the world who actually cares about the people. Besides, they are all puppets, anyway. They are all lying, thieving hoodlums.

  79. Ursa Major Says:

    Thanks, Stef, I was puzzled by Eric’s comment, too.

  80. ericswan Says:

    911 truthers like to point out that the basement of the WTC was cut with thermite and that caused the collapse. If the planes caused the collapse it would have been a pancaking effect and not freefall. The buildings came down at the speed of gravity because the bottom and not the top was the cause for the collapse.

  81. stef Says:

    People have been dumbed-down to such an extent they believe the planes/fire caused “pancake” effect? Correct.

    The masses believe what msmedia tells them. Curiosity is discouraged, it’s considered a flaw nowadays.

    How does the adage go? Oh! Yeah, “Curiosity killed the cat.”

    But it ends, “Satisfaction brought him back.” Ha!

    I know of Iserbyt and others who’ve explained the Great Dumbing-Down, how it was done, when it started, who is responsible…

    Thanks Eric. You had me worried there for a sec.

    911TruthNOW (USrael)

  82. Ursa Major Says:

    Of course, not JUST the bombs in the basement were the cause of the collapse (even though without those explosions it couldn’t have worked). There were charges going off in quick succession (plenty of eye witnesses for that) to cut the steel girders all over the place as the buildings collapsed.

    Everybody in my own family believes the government bullcrap ‘explanation’, it drives me crazy! How is it possible to be so blind and totally dismiss (or refuse to examine) all the evidence that shows that the planes did NOT bring down those buildings?

    In fact, there was a witness (I think it was the janitor, who I believe has in the meantime ‘committed suicide’) who said that there were bombs going off in the basement BEFORE any plane hit!

    I am so glad I can at least say those things here without being told that people are ‘concerned about my mental health’ 😦 .

  83. stef Says:

    Long live Asperger Syndrome! Let’s hope your female grandchildren all inherit it!

    If more women “suffered” from this syndrome Shopy might not have decided to live out his life in the company of standard poodles.

    He considered poodles the smartest amongst the breeds (they are in the top 3) and scintillating company compared to humans, especially compared to the average woman.

    I agree, excluding present company, of course.

    Ciao for now everybody!

  84. clark Says:

    @stef, I suppose it could have been a flash of something burning up in the atmosphere, but it didn’t seem that way to me. All I know is I saw a small bright spot quite like in the photo. I think, two hands breadth from the sun, in the 2 O’clock position from the sun.
    The jet, “just veered” about 45 degrees to change direction towards where the spot was, the jet was a little under a hands breadth away from the spot. If it wasn’t for the veering of the jet I wouldn’t have noticed the spot. Like I said, here, the jets always go in a straight line. This was the first time I saw one change the angle of its flight path. At first I thought the jet was changing its flight path to avoid two others coming from the opposite direction, but they were never lined up to collide. If anything, their flight paths were closer to intersecting after the change in flight path. Then I had to move my car so I didn’t watch anymore.
    The comments about others seeing the spot at different locations, that’s why I left a time and time zone for when I saw it, I imagine that it is a changing orbit and is in different parts of the sky at different times and depending on what area of the country you’re in. That’s why others would say 4 O’clock position, it was at a different time of day in a different time zone. Just my guess.

    Talking about plastic bags, I noticed for awhile there a lot of the stores had plastic bags that smelled really bad. Even my plastic garbage bags smelled. At first I thought my garbage bags were stunk up from frying fish in a closed up kitchen, but even the bags deep in the package smelled, not so much the outside of the bag, but the inside after I opened it up. I supposed it was possible it was from the frying, but…? I haven’t done much shopping to know if the bags of the stores still stink or if that was a temporary thing. I thought maybe it was just cheap bag manufacturing, but very different stores had the same problem, as if something in the air was reacting to them. All I know is, it was odd, and my new garbage bags, same brand, don’t stink. Back to the idea of carbon consuming organisims being dropped in the sky to control pollution, perhaps? I did notice the headline of my local paper today says the air pollution level is cleaner.

    I was always in favor of paper sacks, re-useable, mostly biodegradable and more stuff fits in them.

    The entire sky is cloudy today, unseasonably cool temps, can’t see chemtrails due to the clouds. I read the comments for the Infowars article about the new xclouds, it seems like all of the nation is experiencing the same unseasonable cooler temps and cloud cover and chemtrail activity, according to those posting anyway.

  85. Ursa Major Says:

    By the afternoon the white stuff cleared, revealing crazy ‘cloud’ formations underneath, as well as some blue sky. After driving my youngest daughter to have her prom pictures taken (and me taking some, or I’ll be in the dog house……… I absolutely hate things like proms), I took some more pictures.

    For a while there was a rainbow ring around the sun, weird. Yesterday I got pictures of the sun shining through chem-clouds, and there were colours like pink and turquoise in the white stuff around the sun.

    Also, yesterday evening there were dark, long shadows (if that’s what they were) coming like long tails from some clouds, in the direction away from the setting sun. Of course, there shouldn’t be shadows in a blue sky, unless there is stuff in the sky to throw a shadow onto.

    I don’t think we really ever just have a normal blue sky any more, even if it looks like we do. The blue used to be a deeper blue than it is ever now.

    My neighbours always see me outside taking pictures of the sky. They must wonder what I am doing by now! But you know, I still never see them looking up.

  86. stef Says:

    Yes, paper bags were good, then they said too many forests were being destroyed, so plastic was better, now plastic’s not “friendly,” back to paper, which after WWIII will be really rare, so back to plastic….they can play us any way they like and we just go along to get along.

    Thanks Clark for extra details.

    Ursa: The colorful clouds and corona around the sun are the result of heavy chemtrailing with ethylene debromide. I thought I told Celline…anyway look it up. I may not have spelled it right, must be close enough.

    My neighbor and I had a chat over the fence and I asked if he’d noticed the skies are no longer blue, and when they are they don’t stay that way. He said, “Absolutely.”

    I lent him my sunglasses to better see that toxic corona around the sun, pretty colours. He is on board, it would seem. Pockets of light, pockets of light…

    Ta-ta till later

  87. stef Says:

    Oh! Dude, we then are those who will not believe? Thanks.

    And Clark, no, my plastic bags don’t stink. They may have at one time perhaps, but the ones I use are not new. I started collecting them since they told us plastic was better. Ha!

    Some stores don’t charge for them yet and, boy, I clean ’em out.

    No bad smells I can detect…

  88. Ursa Major Says:

    Well, for a change by the time the sun was setting, the sky was blue with no clouds at all. Of course, by the morning we may have complete cover again.

    I just went outside to see what is happening, and the sky is filled with bright stars, a rare sight these days!

  89. clark Says:

    The wife says, “Did she take a piture of it?’ And I think, yeah, did she take a picture of the colorful sun? Hey friend of mine [ I din’t intend so, but I consider you all my friends, fiesty can’t get along but friends lol] can you put your pictures online?

    @Dude, and others, I like lite, not full flavored. But lite aint bad. Heh- typing aint so hard to do while intox. Might as well get intox as ……………… I aint saying,… did you see the latest Canoe Reeves movie…. wow… that movie was sumthin’. Kinda, “green” but wow….

    What’s the matter wit h prom nite Ursa Major??? That is supposed to be the funnest nite of them all. I never got to experience it though, buit I think it shoulda been the funnest for the young ppl. Rainbow ring around the sun… I wanna see that! i have seen shadows in the blue sky b4 , that is freaky.

    I am just a man, nothing more nothing less… I am no one who knows something… nothing more nothing less.. Ursa.. don’t give a F*** what ypour neighbors think.. Remember, your studying weather. Why did you choose the nick you have? I have a friend in Ontario.. just one… sometimes I wonder if you’re her… I doubt it thou… Take the f*** out of pictures they are art and history.. OMG I miss my freinds who would appreciate this kinda stuff.

    @stef… man. you gotta stop giving the ladies such a hard time.. I se your point… I get it… but you-got-to-be-more-mello- no need to vocalize what the whole of men think,, occasionally, beccause sometimes, the women get whta we don’t… kind a like one of those images where you ahve to hold the image at just so far away or you can’t see it.. you know what I’m saying..in the comic strips…??? I think you do.

    Ba– paper bags,,, kinda like the oils, tansfat,, one is bad,.. psft.. so they replace it with another and then say that is bad.. try this instead.

    Disreguard anytthing I said if it offends you as I’m free typing.

    ethylene debromide – Im gonna have ta look that up tomarrow, wtf is that? Sounds like the ingredients to Mt Dew. Rocket freakn fuel!

    Stupid wrester Roddie Piper They Live, … jus crazy, … but true?

    Pockets of light? hmm. Rays of light? I don’t get it at the moment.

    @Stef, some stores are worse than others, I shouldn’t mention names should I.? This one store especially. Some bags are just Gawd aweful… I just notice this type of stuff, I suppose some people don’t. It’s the hunter in me… parta bein a Midwestern guy!

    I try to be aware.

    Ursa Major, your skys are clear,,, can you see your southern or western sky? Just wondering. Info to know, you know? – cloud filled nite here.

    I shouldn’r]t say no more, you all HAGO! Live, love,,, en someting else. 🙂 I- am – a human being… I live! Me!

  90. Ursa Major Says:

    Clark, my name is Ursula. It comes from Latin, meaning ‘small she bear’ I believe. Ursa Major is the Great Bear or Big Dipper star constellation. Obviously, Ursula comes from Ursa. A friend suggested my nick once in a forum I belong to, because it was better not to use my real name for security reasons.

    I am way behind in putting my pics up in my skydrive, it takes way too long to upload. I’ll try to get it done tomorrow, and I’ll definitely include the crazy rainbow around the sun and those freaky turquoise and pink colours around the sun the other day. Because yes, I take pictures of EVERYTHING I see that is of interest.

    I am so glad for digital photography, because it doesn’t cost anything to take loads of pictures, unless you print them. I have a large one terrabyte external hard drive for storage now, and don’t have to worry about running out of space anytime soon.

    Where does your friend live? I am in Alliston.

    About the prom, I hate parties, I don’t like crowds, I have central auditory processing disorder and can’t differentiate all those noises in crowds. Meaning, I can’t really talk to people when too much is going on, as everything blends together as noise, and I can’t understand anybody. It is very frustrating and gets disorienting after a while.

    That kind of thing is the downside of Asperger Syndrome. I get sensory overload and either have to shut down or go into meltdown mode.

    Plus, I absolutely hate getting dressed up. I only do it for weddings, and then only reluctantly. I seriously can’t understand how people enjoy parties and getting all dressed up in clothes that aren’t comfortable and choose to wear high heels (torture instruments).

    But I did support my kid, went dress and shoe and everything else shopping, even though I hate shopping, too, as well as telling her she looked beautiful (she did, of course) and taking pictures.

  91. stef Says:

    Hi there, Clark. That was moving, my friend, quite moving.

    You want to see pictures of chems? Go to “Strange Days, Strange Skies.” It has ’em all and I would suggest Ursa send her’s there as it’s the biggest compilation that I know of the net. I may have mentioned it before…

    I prefer wine. Heh! No, haven’t seen that film. I watch any recent Hollowood film only for info on what the “elite” are planning next. Their “religion” has it “they” must tell us what they’ll do. Now, that’s weird!

    Prom night? I was so drunk it’s only a vagueish memory. Stupid rituals, proms, weddings, 1st communions, circumcisions, all a lot of mix-‘n-match pagan mumbo-jumbo, altered, adapted, re-invented to bolster the validity of this religion or that, agh! no patience for that stuff.

    Rainbow corona around the sun. Again, see “Strange Days…” and, Clark, don’t wish to see it too much, ’cause when you do it means the air is thick with ethelyne d. and everything below is on the “endangered” list.

    “I am just a man, nothing more nothing less… I am no one who knows something… nothing more nothing less” a hint of Hemingway in that. Just re-read for the nnnnth time his short story, “A Clean, Well-Lighted Place.” Know it?

    And I heartely agree with Clark. Ursa, to everything turn, turn, turn… neighbors? Socrates, in the “Allegory” or “Myth of the Cave” warns that trying to pull the illusion-lovers into the light would be a daunting task indeed. Anyway, Clark put it beautifully…F==k ’em!

    Pictures [….] you know what I’m saying..in the comic strips…???” The artwork of Roy Lichtenstein? Probably.

    “They Live” is a cult classic. Tweak this or that and you have pretty much what we’re seeing today.

    “Pockets of light” as in everytime you point to the chems or explain about 911 etc. and one person listens with interest, or says, “I’ve been wondering about that, tell me more” or they take down the name of a site…well, it’s another little light in the dark, so to speak. Okay?

    “[…] no need to vocalize what the whole of men think.” Sweet. But really, I thought I had been playing nice? Perhaps you’re right Clark, they get things we don’t. I’ve yet to meet one of those though. Present company excepted, naturally.

    And Clark, to offend me you’d have to drill really, really deep. I spend time on French sites as well and the vulgarity and vitriol makes this place feel like a Sunday tea-party. Think I’ve said that before…

    Next time I’m in a store gives bags away, I’ll pry one open, stick my stupid face into one and exclaim, “Man! This thing stinks!” Ha!

    Live long & prosper, my friend, or Nanu-Nanu, whichever best suits the occasion.

    Thanks, Clark.
    911TruthNOW (USrael)

  92. stef Says:

    Incidentally, did you mean KEANU Reeves?

    Bet you did.

  93. Ursa Major Says:

    I have been to ‘strange days strange skies’, it’s bookmarked in my favourites. And even though they have a lot of pics already, mine are still unique. Especially because they keep changing all the time.

    The sky here today? As I was saying last night when looking at those beautiful stars, it was too good to last. The sky is filled with obvious chemtrail plumes today.

    I don’t know when they got busy, but they sure did.

  94. clark Says:

    Whew – I was hoping I wouldn’t regret posting that and I thought it would’ve been taken all wrong & … was thinking it needed deleted.

    Yeah, KEANU.

    [I’m thinking, Graven images are bad – not plain flat TV images, they tell a story, convey a thought. Unless they are worshiped.]

    That movie conveyed a lot of (similar) the ideas from here.

    When I told another about that passage Dude presents, about the canibal fathers eat the sons, we agreed it may be describing the condition/situation of the boomer generation using the future taxes from future gnerations to eat and live today.
    I’m not ready to type yet.

  95. Dude Says:

    clark: youre in fantasy land with both of those incorrect Biblical assumptions. The Bible is very literal and means exactly what it says. By next April (also given in the Bible), people here will be eating people and God means ALL images are sin. The moving+speaking image is talked about and that is the image of the beast, it is also called the molten image. READ MORE.

  96. stef Says:

    Say Dude, please believe I’m not being deliberately obtuse here, but how you know this hologram we are “living” in is God’s? Didn’t we discuss the eye itself works like a camera. Each of us has a “tv” at the back of our brains!

    If the universe, as we know it, is a hologram doesn’t that mean it is, in its entirety, one big false moving+speaking image?

    Isn’t Lucifer the great deceiver? What if this whole matrix is Lucifer’s toy/creation? Doesn’t it make more sense for a liar/deceiver to conceive of such a artificial creation?

    If find your phobia with exogenous images mystifying. To hear you tell it, you possess not a single photo album. No films of your of travels, your friends, family?

    I imagine unadorned walls throughout the house?
    No astronomy magazines even? You avert your eyes at billboards on the highway?

    Images, what you deem false images and sinful, are ubiquitous today. To avoid sinning, one would decide to be voluntarily housebound or live in a cave/woods?

    Ah! I’m at a loss to comprehend…image of the beast?

    You are convinced that God made the hologram. Okay. But, and I must be wrong here, you profess that anything we view in it that wasn’t in it originally, ie. film of any kind or sculpture or painting, is a sin?

    How do we know what was here originally? According to what I’ve read whenever Nibiru crosses our path whole continents shift, break apart and re-form; fresh, new, original, yet significantly different, every time.

    I want you to know how dearly I’d like to “get” your meaning, Dude. And the ‘sin’ part is of no concern to me.


    Adios Amigos,

  97. Ursa Major Says:

    I believe that what God means are images that are being adored/worshiped. Like the golden calf the Israelites made in the desert when Moses was up on Mound Sinai.

    Pictures and statues of Jesus I believe are false images (people worship the image instead of Jesus). Or statues of Mary and the saints that people pray to. That is clearly idolatry and forbidden by God. Other things can BECOME idols, if people worship them and put them above God. That doesn’t mean that they are to be avoided generally.

    Photographs are just to remember what we have seen, they are not false images or idols in my opinion.

    Dude, I agree with Stef. How do you manage to never look at pictures when you are on the computer? And looking through a telescope or binoculars, don’t you see a picture rather than the original, too?

    How did you figure out what chemtrails all over the world look like without looking at pictures? Have you never checked out a video on youTube?

    Also, you used plenty of pictures in your document. What about those?

    The people who originally wrote the Bible didn’t know anything about inventions like TVs or cameras. Therefore the Bible doesn’t say that they are evil, as there was no such a thing back then.

    There also weren’t any cars, planes or helicopters. That is why when a prophet saw one of those things in a vision, they’d have to try their best to describe them, without knowing what they were. And I think your interpretation is right on for those.

    Without comparing those descriptions with pictures of things existing today, you would not have been able to figure it out.

    I also really, truly don’t believe in the idea that our universe is just a hologram. It doesn’t make sense as far as I am concerned.

  98. Celline Says:

    Uschi,in College, when I was 19, among other nutty things we were taught about ” Bert Brecht ” who wanted it taught, that the world and us and every thing that’s on and in the earth.. were merely things of our imagination, and not real..
    It is a typical NewAge teaching, that I “overboarded ” right then and there.. as BS…
    And I thought, that this nutty teaching had finally vanished, yet I can see.. it’s still rearing its ugly head… In the end, we all need to decide what is Truth and what are Lies !

  99. clark Says:

    Just out of curiosity, I’ve got a voltage/current detector that indicates both while set to lowest sensitivity. Either there’s a lot of RF, or there’s some current and voltage flowing through the air and through me. I wonder if the TV stations eliminating their signals reduces interference for what ever else is flowing through the air? Or, maybe, “they” want to up the power out-put of the HARRP, but cannot without knocking out the old TV signals and giving themselves away as the source? The TV stations did have quite a problem with their signals recently, I thought anyway, especially the UHF band.

    I wonder if the GPS coordinates taken by the Census Bureau will be used to transmit wireless power? This is supposed to be in our future, so that might make sense for the purpose of the GPS takings of the Census Bureau. That, “free energy” mentioned earlier could be used but, “they” would still charge money for it?
    I guess I’m hoping it’s not for target coordinates.

    @Dude, fantasy land = open thought? [Not exactly clear thinking on my part this a.m. surly, still not even now] But…the Bible very much so uses symbolism, especially with parables. Not everything is literal. I suspect everything in Ezekiel is meant to be almost literal though, with the modifier as. (modifier or descriptor?) Eyes as lions.

    A photograph of a baby is sinful? How so? What about illustrations of the Bible’s contents?

    I did read some of Ezekiel (working on the rest) it Does mention cannibalism like you said, it was very clear. It said God would do evil, which I found odd, but it was very clear. What wasn’t clear to me was equating the USA as being Israel. In other sections of the Bible it reefers to Israel’s previous destruction and it reads much like Ezekiel’s description, both refer to Israel the same way.
    Ezekiel also said there will be survivors, remnants, but I’m not sure who those are.
    From what I gathered so far, it won’t matter where an Isreali goes, same fate awaits.

    The Boomer generation is cannibalizing the next generation(s) in a figurative way, it just isn’t what Ezekiel meant, you’re right about that.

    Celline Says: wanted it taught, that the world and us and every thing that’s on and in the earth.. were merely things of our imagination, and not real..

    How about, not our imagination, but rather God’s imagination. I think that’s what the TV receiver thinking is implying.

    Stef & Ursa good points.

  100. Celline Says:

    ” The ” Bert Brecht” theory was taught in colleges, and as far as I know.. still is. At the time it sounded off the wall and crazy.. yet I have heard it again, right in the good ol’ US …” as for me and my house…” check it in Jobe if u are interested, In the end, the Truth wins out !

  101. stef Says:

    I think people who spontaneously combust are victims of HAARP or some derative thereof.

    I’ve always wondered why the “Our Father” says, “And lead us not into temptation.” Who composed that prayer anyway? Why would God do that? That’s Lucifer’s job, isn’t it?

    Clark: Good idea re. voltage/current detector. Where can I buy one?

    Celline: I studied Brecht in highschool and college. It was never mentioned in class that he said what you claim he said, but if he did, well, he may well have had a point: Everything might just a figment of our imagination….all an illusion.

    In any case, Brecht was a Marxist so I lost interest.

    Nite all.

  102. Nightmareskies Says:

    Hello, group. Mind if I join the discussion ?

    I’m in the Okanagan Valley, in British Columbia. I first heard about chemtrails on talk radio and was skeptical until….in the fall of 2007 we had our remaining Ponderosa pines cut down ( pine beetle) and the following spring I was outside all day long re-landscaping ( I’m a sloooowww , fussy planter). What I saw in my skies shocked and horrified me.Chemtrails were no longer a hypothetical , they were an in-my-face REALITY. I have to say that chemtrails have pretty much destroyed my life.

    Very interesting thread, this one, but Ursula your posts are the ones that really resonate with me. I share your pain. Trying to wake people up has been an absolutely horrible experience for me. It took my hubby a few months, but he’s fully on board now. What did it for him was one day last July when , after many months of zero rain, there was a 10 minute cloudburst. We were driving and on the highway where the rainwater had pooled was a coating of white powder. He said, ” What the heck is that ? It looks like somebody ahead of us lost a load of lime on the road .” I replied, ” No, that’s what they’ve been spraying us with and the rain washed it down. ” He still didn’t believe it and changed lanes. Same white powder. We drove a few more miles and turned off the hwy . The centre line on the road leading to our house which is painted yellow was white. That did it for him. He was fully awake. My dear, sweet mum, who is in her eighties now, is also awake. But then, she has spiritual discernment in spades. She’s some kind of saint who raised 9 children without ever raising her voice.

    But, other than my husband and my mother, my chemtrail awakening success ratio is a horror story. One of my best friends of over 30 yrs just hung up the phone on me the other day, in terrible anger, when I brought up chemtrails. Others either patronize or mock me. The subject of chemtrails is now verboten at family gatherings, so I’ve stopped going.

    Well this is long enough for an initial post. I’ve spent the last yr reading everything I could get my hands on re HAARP and chemtrails so in future will recommend a few great sites and fill you in on what’s happening here in my beautiful valley ( Death Valley, now). All our sparrows were wiped out in mid-January after a brutal CT/HAARP attack.

    What we are witness to is nothing other than ecocide !

  103. Celline Says:

    @NightmareSkies: Wecome ;o) to our blog. We know your pain because it is ours also ! So happy to have you !
    Yes we share.. and I often cry silently because of frustration. No one believes me either, subject is Verboten in my family, even friends also.
    Here we can say what we see and feel.. and it is met w. understanding and compassion. If we just could find a solution. Until then.. we share.. and are of much domfort to eachother.
    Again welcome, and I hope you come back soon .

  104. Celline Says:

    ecocide/genocide.. ?!maybe both.. Do you still see honeybees where u live?

  105. Nighmareskies Says:

    Celine honey danke for your welcome ( I’m of German extraction also : – )

    These chemtrails have really got me hooped. Everything inside of me wants to run down the streets screaming ” What’s the matter with you people ? Are you blind ?” But I’ve learned that most people don’t give a damn one way or another.The majority are firmly locked into the matrix . And the few ( the very few) who admit there is indeed something suspicious about what passes for ” clouds ” these days, just shrug their shoulders and get on with what’s really important in their lives ( usually malicious gossip or some damn TV show or movie). This apathy is sickening . It’s the culmination of generations of NWO social engineering that’s produced a population of dumbed down, celebrity obsessed morons. Sorry if that sounds harsh but it’s how I feel. As I watch the plants and the animals struggling to survive in this toxic soup, as I watch my husband reach for his asthma puffer yet again, when death from respiratory disease from UNKNOWN CAUSES climbs from number 8 to number 4 at a time of de-industrialization ….how can I feel any other way ? How can anybody ? But as we all know, they do. As I said, they mostly don’t give a damn.

    Anyway, the chemspew planes started hitting our valley real bad starting last spring.They would start in the east ( they follow the sun in order to photoionize the nano-particulate ). By noon the east was a whiteout but we still had sun in the western part of the valley where I live. In the afternoon they were right over my head spraying over the sun. Depending on what they were spraying, symptoms varied from burning eyes, sore throats, ” allergies”, mouth blisters that felt like they should turn into cold sores, but never did ( from the barium), permanently blocked sinuses, and never ending headaches ( I NEVER got headaches before and I’m 57 ).But, excepting these symptoms, I felt pretty much OK until one afternoon in July . I was excercising in the pool when a very low flying chemsprayer left an enormous trail right over me. Within 10 minutes I could hardly breathe ( I don’t have asthma). It took weeks for my breathing to recover. Whatever they sprayed that day crashed my immune system. Within a couple months I came down with shingles ( very painful) and this winter after shovelling chemsnow for a few hrs ( couldn’t stop sneezing) I wound up in emerg with an irregular hearbeat. And so it goes : – (

    One year on, of course it’s much worse. Gray day after gray day and no rain. No spring rains last year, no fall rains, and no spring rains this year either. June is normally our rainiest month. Last Wednesday the dark, rain filled cumulus clouds arrived and so did the chemspew bastards. Every day since Wednesday I have watched them dry up the cumulus. We had not a single drop of rain. This afternoon there was a particularly promising cloud- luscious, black, large. I was praying for even a little shower, but to no avail. A few chemtrails later that cloud may as well have been a mirage. Within half an hour it was destroyed, evaporated, vaporized, whatever you want to call it- zero precip.

    The woods are so dry. The animals can’t get water and soon the plants will stop growing so they won’t have food either. Massive water restrictions here already. Aquifers, artesian wells, lake and creek levels all far below normal. The Okanagan is known for its wonderful grape wines, and fantastic fruit ( my absolute favorite is Lapin cherries – developed by the Summerland Research Station as an August variety). But the farmers are going to be in big trouble without water, without rain. God help us, we are all in trouble.

    It’s almost 4:00 AM here . I better check out . Tell you about the wildlife in my yard next time, Celine : – )

  106. Nightmareskies Says:

    Who was it on this blog who talked about the chemtrails affecting our access to the afterlife ? That’s my deepest fear because I suspect it’s true. I know they’re screwing around with the etheric energy of this planet because I can feel it. I’ve always been energy sensitive( precognitive dreams, auras, etc).

    Since they started with the heavy chemtrailing here ( chemtrails are active auroras which facilitate the ELF and ULF energy from HAARP and the other phased array antennae systems ) my access to the higher dimensional powers has been affected in very negative way.

  107. clark Says:

    @stef, you can get voltage/current detectors in many places, it’s a common and cheap tool. Electronics stores, tool sections of stores. I still find it amazing that it can sense electrical current through insulated wires without piecing the insulation. Like I said, mine goes off without touching anything. Even though I’m in a city, I sort of live in a valley where TV and radio signals have trouble getting to me. So I doubt RF is causing the sensor to go off like it does. But I’m no expert.

    Nightmareskies Says:… The subject of chemtrails is now verboten at family gatherings,..”

    I can relate, I don’t know why but that made me laugh. I don’t understand why Agent Orange part II is so hard to accept. I wonder if they didn’t accept there was an Agent Orange the first go-around. Love and trust government?

    Nightmareskies Says:… as I watch my husband reach for his asthma puffer yet again..”

    I wonder if tobacco helps. They are trying so very hard to rid it from everyone and they added that anti-burn stuff to it that taste terrible and makes people sick. I’ve since stopped smoking commercial cigarettes and now smoke loose leaf I roll myself and I haven’t had any respiratory problems. It could be what kills me, but it seems like so many who don’t smoke die from the same ailments blamed on smoking. Does the tar or nicotine bond with the diethel bromide? Every time I see the word bromide I think of a material that is for bonding stuff together to keep it from separating.

    The shoveling of the snow *is* when they gets us bad. We had lots of fog after many snowfalls, not exactly a real common thing here in the past, thick and heavy, I’m sure it was loaded with stuff.

  108. stef Says:

    Thanks Clark. I may get one this week, do a little experimenting.

    Dude: My bro bought another lens, don’t know which one yet, he’s bringing it Thursday.

    We were lucky for that one clear night ’cause since then its been total coverage. We had to wear sunglasses to look through the viewfinder at the moon, such a bright orange it was.

    3/4 moon, craters crisply visible, even a peak, touches of lime green, thin fine yellow lines running over large sections of zillions of miles of flat carrot-coloured land. Spectacular.

    Did not see the atmosphere, but will look again first chance I get. Lots of stars, but our lenses weren’t right for it and stars ended up looking like Lifesavers. Meant to ask you about that…

    Yesterday I tried to get a chemplane in my sights, but I’m not quick enough in handling the telescope right yet. As I said, I’m new at this.

    Nightmare: “Sorry if that sounds harsh.” Uh, I wouldn’t worry about it.

    As for all those symptoms directly related to chems, well, I have my doubts. Some people, when they first become aware, suddenly slip into hypochondriac mode. Any boo-boo shows up, they run around crying, “It’s the chems!” “It’s the chems!”

    Listen, there are various and sundry poisons aplenty in our food and water and what-not…anyway, you get my drift.

    This nefarious project has been going, on in lighter doses, since 1996 – 1998.

    For 14 days after 911 there were no chems whatsoever over NY, but that’s probably due to the reduced “normal” air traffic which would have made chems too obvious.

    The notion they might be pumping us full of aluminum particles etc., then flip the HAARP switch zapping us like summer bugs, fits their MO to a T. These Luciferians have a real penchant for “burnt offerings” to their god.

    If they are weakening our immune system, then it’s in preparation for the BIG SPRAY DAY event. But that wouldn’t be as dramatic, would it? Remember 911?

    Notwithstanding, they are definitely trying to conceal something up there.

    Look, their god is returning. They fry up whole populations first in honor of his arrival. And this can be readily accomplished from the safety of their D.U.M.B’s, which is where they’ll be on that occasion.

    Or, or, it’s mind-control they’re after and they can make us do grotesque and bloody things. How’s that for reality tv, eh?

    So long all,
    911TruthNOW (USrael)

  109. stef Says:

    And if tobacco helps then pass me a smoke, Clark, with that Heiniken…

  110. stef Says:

    Nightmare: “My access to the higher dimensional powers has been affected in very negative way.”

    Heads up! Mumbo-jumbo headin’ our way!

    Aw! Shit.

  111. stef Says:

    She Bear: “I also really, truly don’t believe in the idea that our universe is just a hologram. It doesn’t make sense as far as I am concerned.”

    Hamlet replies:

    “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. …”


  112. Dude Says:

    clark: the voltage you pick up on your body is most likely from the power lines in your house. touch the probe of an oscilloscope and youll see the 60 hz waveform.

    the Bible is very clear about idols–any and all images. i try to avoid images now but i have the same ones most people have but theyre going away and after this war no one will have them and when we find them, we will destroy them.

  113. stef Says:

    Okay. You do that, Dude. Just avoid them, yeah.

    After the War, meet me on the corner, and we’ll go destroyin’ what’s left of ’em together.

    By the way, I bought hemp seeds and organic hemp cereal. Thought I’d mash the seeds in my coffee grinder and add them to everything.

    I found an article on how delusional vegetarians are with their beans&rice menu. Explains real protein, how much humans’ need, what foods ie. nuts, seeds and beans have the highest protein and Omega-3 etc..

    Went stock-piling again today, adhering to the list.

    911= USrael

  114. stef Says:

    Mean “heavier doses” duh.

  115. stef Says:

    That last “heavier doses” must make no sense.

    I meant that they were chemtrailing in 1996-1998, but lightly compared with now. They’ve been going at it, since their two week hiatus following 911, like bats out of hell.

    There. All better now.

  116. ericswan Says:

    Interesting to have another Okanagon POV. I’m in Kamloops. The beetle infestation was promolgated by the release of hydrogen flouride which affects the immune system (gum production) of pine trees and people. If you go to the government website it has maps showing the origins of the infestation just west in a small triangle pointed at Kitimat. Ten years later, that triangle is province wide. It’s hard to describe this genocide of trees to others who have no idea that this province has killed off 10 billion fully grown first stand trees in 10 years.

    Stef obviously has issues with the suggestion that souls are not physical entities but electrical/magnetic in their nature so I’m not about to entreat this subject here.

    David Icke is on the Alex Jones show. Gotta go..

  117. Dude Says:

    David Icke talked about chemtrails, reptillians, and now the government classifying all incoming meteors and he didnt connect his dot as he likes to instruct others. When he was asked about the reason for the daily chemtrails, he pulled a politician move, he avoided the hell out of the question and hid behind “they have multiple purposes” but you could tell he knew!!!

    And if David is in the USA on Oct 10, hes gonna find another BIG dot he can connect.

    Souls are not physical, they are imprisoned by matter.

  118. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, please don’t get nasty again, especially to a newcomer. Celline rarely posts now thanks to condescending attitudes from several of you guys. And now a new lady dares come and post here, and has to put up with your put-down attitude (pun intended).

    Nightmareskies (I shall call you NMS for short from now on, your nick is too hard to type), welcome here. Most of what you say makes sense to me, and I believe you when you say that your husband’s breathing problems are caused by the chems.

    I need to have my window open when I sleep (even in the winter), otherwise I feel like I need air (yes, I am somewhat claustrophobic).

    When I wake up on the morning with my breathing really bad, I know that we have chemtrails in the sky. It has ALWAYS proven true. I obviously didn’t know about what was happening in my sleep.

    Celline and I managed to find each other outside this blog, and we have e-mailed each other almost daily since (and sometimes several times a day) We have also talked on the phone.

    If you want to e-mail with both of us (I expect Celline will agree, but I’ll make sure), send me an e-mail to ursulamargrit@yahoo.com .

    I am not worried about anybody hijacking that e-mail, as I only use it when signing up for things and expect spam. I usually never check it. Post here if you are e-mailing me, and I’ll check it, and give you another e-mail address.

    Make sure to put ‘chemtrails’ into the subject line when e-mailing me, so I know it is you and not somebody sending me nasty stuff.

    I hope to hear from you soon!

  119. clark Says:

    Huh, there’s not a link on this thread to Prince talking about chemtrails and their effects from when he was a kid? I think this stuff has been going on a lot longer than many realize. Perhaps previously it was on a much smaller scale and more localized on so-called undesirable populations? Or he could be lying, but I doubt it.

    Me, when I first learned of chemtrails I noticed a correlation between certain sufferings I had and the timing of chemtrail appearances. My sufferings – I had prior to learning about chemtrails – which I couldn’t determine any correlation to anything other than perhaps insects or mites of some small kind, maybe they were the ones being irritated? When I first learned of chemtrails, there were frequently many days without a single jet in the sky. Of course it is possible it is, “all in my head” but I don’t think so. I don’t think my head is capable of making irritating bumps appear on my arms, neck and scalp, coincidently often only on areas exposed directly to the air. Of which, thank God, I’m not exactly suffering badly from anymore. I lean towards mites being the culprit. Pollens that cause allergies do not appear year round. Pollution that are irritants are not found in different States concentrated enough to cause the same effect, think Wisconsin farmland vs. a far away city. Or, put on a long sleeve shirt and my arms were ok vs. a short sleeve shirt and they were not.

    There was a time, around 1996-2001 I forget when exactly, I also experience some respiratory problems, I thought it was from pollution. Had to have the windows open too. Then one day it simply stopped, with no change on my part, that I know of. It could be from when I briefly switched cigarette brands, who knows?
    I don’t know about others, but I’m not a weak picky sensitive hypochondriac. I’m an outdoor, kick-butt, get in the mix, get dirty/bloody/bruised and go kind of guy. But I am becoming more picky as a result of all this. Maybe that’s why this whole ordeal bothers me so much, I should be able to shake it off & keep going. Or it is from getting old? Too many variables.

    @Dude, yeah I thought the power lines in my house might be the cause too. However, I think the signals would increase as I put the probe closer to the walls and they don’t. I touch the probe and it did signal. It could be something like a stray ground up from the floor to me I suppose, as people are not supposed to be able to feel that stuff. Animals do, but I don’t have one to ask if they feel any stray voltages. Heh. I don’t know, it’s just something I noticed. The probe seems to work ok, it’s kind of fun testing stuff. And, it’s not indicating any current or voltage now.

    I do know that IF there were any HAARP signals being beamed about they would be measurable, with what tool, I don’t know.

    @eric, I thought electrical/magnetic is a physical entity…

    Dude says, Souls are not physical, they are imprisoned by matter.

    Interesting…. but ok, I won’t go there.

    If that guy on Infowars is talking about reptiles, every skeptical person would automatically dismiss everything, including chemtrails.

    I didn’t know about the killing of the trees out West. I knew about the moths, I read about bird die-offs, but not the trees.

  120. Celline Says:

    @Uschi, agreed, if she contacts you, please give her mine too.
    Indeed this blog was the best I have ever seen, emph. on WAS!!!
    It’s no longer caring about the other.. it’s put down at certain ones, mainly me. Too bad, because we all have important things to share.
    About the putdowns: It seems to be aimed at Christians.. and this.. we are use to, Uschi, right? It’s our NewAge world, where everything goes.. except Christianity. “Truth” gave up too.. it seems..
    I am not going to vary from what I know and blog.. regardless of put downs. But I will not respond to what I consider ” u know what I mean”
    I feel it is important to attract people who have imput, or need help, may it be physical.. or in any other way, because we understand, and are willing to share, the good and the bad. Kindness should be up front, and if you need to spew anger or otherwise negative stuff.. why not go elsewhere ? Plenty of that out there.

  121. Celline Says:

    About the trees in the West. This I noticed already about 30 years ago, starting in YellowStone Park. All the trees there turned brown, and I was told ,it is a bug. Huge fires started, and they burned out by themselves. no firefighter attempted to stop them. Meanwhile this problem moved South.
    By now, the problem is here, in Southern Cal, same thing.
    All” needle-trees ” are turning brown.. huge fires are the result.
    Indeed America’s Westcoast will lose all it’s Forrests. Huge watershortages, because the chems are stopping the rain. ( Cloudseeding?) .. it is just endless. Our weather here , in June, is the craziest we have ever seen. Clouds , Fake ones of course.. and cold.
    Our vegetation is not the same. Don’t walk barefoot, because there are dead bees on the ground everywhere.
    God help us all.

  122. ericswan Says:

    Hey Dude..I agree with your synopsis of David Icke. You might have mentioned that Alex doesn’t seem to hold an opinion except to say that these toxins contain nanobots and that they apply different chemtrails to different regions and at different times.

    My take follows the Hopi prophecy which says that that chemtrail rainbow around the sun for 7 days in a row is the end of time. I’ve photographed this phenomenon about 4 times in a row in the last 4 years. Usually happens in the extreme heat of mid summer. I think we all know what it means when the sun refracts through the crap and a rainbow sometimes accompaniet by sun dogs, appears.

    As for “the goils”, I appreciate all of your comments but please be assured that the bible is a corrupt doc and you need to use the sense that God gave you.

  123. Dude Says:

    clark: if youre using a voltmeter then you dont know much about whatever signal youre picking up but i assure you its not from rf. voltmeters seldom read over 1kHz. I know that bodies have voltage induced from the electrical wiring, fairly independent of location and itll show a nice sine wave on a scope. To measure rf, especially when trying to locate and identify a signal, then you need a spectrum analyzer. The HP models we used were about 30-50 grand depending on options.

    The ancient texts (all of them) say souls are not physical and are trapped in matter. I have no data to prove or disprove but theres tons of recorded psychic phenomena.

    reptillians are mentioned in the Bible. Eve was not talking to a “snake” as we know them. reptillians are drawn and described all over the earth, like the great flood and Nibiru. To dismiss them because others think you are nuts is incredibly stupid! Ridicule is the technique used by govt liars all over the net. I have come to despise people who do this. if you never saw an ocean or lake and somebody told you there was a “fish” in an “ocean”, you might think they were nuts but in reality you would be the fool. telling most people about aliens of any type is very much like telling a 5 year old boy that one day he will like girls. you know its true, and you know when he grows up he will know it too but there is no way you can make him believe it until he experiences it. ridiculing alien existence is just another form of being childish and immature, especially for the people who SAY they believe the Bible.

    eric: yea, alex throws out the dog-bone to pacify those who think theyre pursuing the truth but hes throwing the bone the wrong way. Alex knows damn good and well what the chemtrails are for just like david but theyre not going to dare say it. david even put all the dots right in front of everybody but he didnt connect them. I guess I dont balme them now…what happens when all the idiots of the world realize theyre about to be wiped out? all of this couldve been avoided though by telling the truth in 1983 when they found it.

    And that Bible you say is corrupt is full of incredible details describing this country, the political situation and the war thats about to destroy us. theres tons of scientific stuff in it thats been proven now but you wont be told about it. jonathan grays books share a lot of this info.

  124. Nightmareskies Says:

    Celline says – If you need to spew anger or otherwise negative stuff…why not go elsewhere ? Plenty of that out there.

    Exactly, Celline ! I was hoping to avoid that here because most of us who are awakened to chemtrails face hostility and ridicule to some degree on a daily basis as we try to awaken the chemtrail deniers in our personal lives.

    Stef, my symptoms are most definitely NOT psychsomatic . As I mentioned,I am extremely energy sensitive and have always been in high attunement with my body. These physical symptoms appeared before I even knew what was in the chemtrails . Remember, I was a skeptic and at first the chemtrails were just a visual phenomenon to me. I know different now of course : – ( It’s always tempting to try to explain away someone else’s symptoms . However, don’t fall into the self-referential trap simply because you are breathing the same air and not suffering identical symptoms.This is always a mistake. Remember, we are individuals with unique immune systems. What affects me today will maybe not affect you until ??? Think of me as the canary in the coal mine.

    Like you Ursula, I always know when they are spraying us without even looking outside – low grade headache, plugged sinuses and continually interrupted sleep.

    A couple of the most disturbing symptoms which I forgot to mention earlier are brain fog and a profound loss of equilibrium ( poor balance, dizziness). Why did I forget to mention them ? Was it the brain fog or the fact that they produce no pain ?

  125. clark Says:

    The photos of chemtrails I’ve seen so far, are not global, as far as I can tell. What places don’t have them? If a southern view is telling, what about other countries? Is the internet very limited and restricted in places such as South America and South Africa? None of us (not just here) knows Spanish or Portuguese enough to find out what they are seeing down there? Aren’t some online newspapers in German? Anyone know German enough to tell if they know anything? Just wondering.

    Argentina in German:

    List of South African newspapers in English:

    I haven’t found any info or places to ask what their skys are like, yet.

    @Dude, yeah, the electrical probe is just a simple voltage and current detector, it’s either on or off.
    It says in the instructions it can be set off by RF.
    The reptilian thing, I wasn’t saying what I thought about it, just that the masses would not accept info about chemtrails if it was accompanied by discussions of reptilians. Baby steps were required, sounds like that guy on Infowars took a leap and left everyone hanging in midair, from the way you described it. A cliffhanger?

  126. Nightmareskies Says:

    Ericswan….hello neighbor. I’m in Kelowna and a huge AJ fan.

    Check out :



    use small letters …srry computer troubles and can’t do links right now.

    This blog is an excellent chemtrail site and is run by a fellow in Kelowna.

    On the lefthand side you will see “Recent Posts “.

    Scroll down to ” more posts ” ( in small blue letters ) and click on that.

    A second screen will appear with awesome info and docs.

    Go to ” Next Page ” and you will find the fabulous chemtrail documentary ” Don’t Talk About the Weather “. If you haven’t seen it already, everyone on this forum needs to watch this film. It’s MUST SEE ! It comes in 27 parts of 10 minutes each.

    Devilvision- The World’s New Wireless Grid ( also found at this site) is a great source of info on HAARP and the phased array antennae systems . CH 4 and CH 5 are must read. The info is very technical and difficult to absorb and understand in it’s entirety as I’m not a quantum physicist, but I hope everyone gives it a try .

  127. Celline Says:

    @MNS thank you, I looked it up, watched 1/2 of it, and put it in my faves. When I have time I will look thru all of it.
    Aaron Russo is about the Best.. when it comes to looking for info.
    Now.. I would love to find something that offers Solutions.. we know about the Problems.
    About our Souls to be affected ! This one doesen’t go for me, or any other Christian. I can say :” No weapon formed against me shall prosper” because: GOD is Greater…. and my soul belongs to Him.
    He created everything including us… He has more power.. ultimate power, to do anything. Surely.. to protect us, his most precious creation.
    This is my strength, my Hope.. my everything. Indeed..w.out God.. we would have only despair ! So.. I hope amd pray, all of you have this certainty, and peace.
    As to the Scriptures: The infallible Word of God !

  128. stef Says:

    Listen, Nightmare, don’t be wagging your claw at me.

    I said that there are lots of other factors can affect our health in these endtimes, not just the chemtrails.

    And then there were three…

    Eric: “Hopi prophecy which says that that chemtrail rainbow around the sun for 7 days in a row is the end of time.”

    I read somewhere of another Hopi prophecy, “When the globe is covered over by a (spider’s) web, will be the end of time.” Heard of that one?

    I prophecy we’re all kaput.

    As for my soul, I agree with Dude…imprisoned.

    Maybe later,

  129. ericswan Says:

    Good job Celline. Better to duck and cover than deal with your paradigm.

    Kelowna sucks|. Just kidding. The author of Devilvision is a friend of mine. To tell you the truth, I don’t get much of what he is saying. Will check out your link and see what’s up down your way.

    As for bee ness, I think most of my flower beds are being serviced by butterflys these days. My plum tree has zero fruit on it this year.

    Stef..read about the spider web thingy and thought it was very appropos. Have you seen a pic of “Prophecy Rock”? It’s the sandstone with a swastika on it. My mom and dad lived south and east of a little village in N. Ont. called Swastika. I’ve always had a problem demonizing that symbol. With regard to the swastika on Prophecy Rock, I have seen artifacts in native culture and elsewhere, where the swastika is an honoured symbol. The NWO is not stupid. They incorporate true symbols including Christianity, and you name it into their meme. Numerology is an important feature in their dogma. Scripture is full of that sort of thing and we need to know what the powers that be are thinking regardless of our personal belief system

    Duck and cover…

  130. Celline Says:

    @eric: I never in my life ducked and covered.. I always faced things headon. But.. whatever u say.. I don’t much care.
    Probably have seen and been thru more in life than you.. and have learned ” to FACE”… ! To be a christian means, to face stuff.. because if u don’t.. you can’t even be one !
    This Blog used to be great !!!

  131. Nighmareskies Says:

    Just for us ladies :

    I loved this cartoon. It’s been pretty much my experience when trying to awaken others.

    I hope you enjoy this Uschi and Celline.

    PS – Thnx so much for the copy/paste instructions Uschi : – ) I’m always so busy googling that I take absolutely no time to learn how to use this computer .

  132. Nighmareskies Says:

    Watch the effects of HAARP ELF and ULF energy on this bee.

    This is how my sparrows died ! My husband came home every day in mid-January to dead/dying/staggering sparrows . This was so sad for us to watch. We fed them every day and even had a heated water dish for them. My backyard was always alive with birds. The sparrows especially loved to gather on the chain link fence, but no longer. They’re gone. I was still picking their little dead bodies out of my shrub beds this spring.

    The quail, red-winged blackbirds, hawks, chicadees, woodpeckers,and juncos made it but the sparrows for some reason must be much more energy sensitive and were wiped out.

    HAARP definitely affected my other birds this spring ( but didn’t kill them ALL off, like my sparrows). So, normally we would have a few birds every season crash into the windows ( usually the juvenile, inexperienced flyers).But this spring was unreal. We would hear…BANG…BANG…BANG….3 birds at a time would crash hard into the windows within seconds of each other. And there was no hope of us reviving them. These birds were so disoriented that they crashed HARD and died on impact. In past yrs we could usually save about half of the victims because they only had concussions.

    Chemtrails are the medium….HAARP is the method.

    Silent weapons for quiet wars.

  133. Nighmareskies Says:

    I’d like to share some thoughts on Nikola Telsa and the importance of frequency. Think of an opera singer with a glass in her hand. When her note hits the resonant frequency of the glass, nothing else is adversely affected except for the glass. It shatters. Likewise, soldiers are trained to break cadence when crossing a bridge because if they march in unison and if their beat matches the resonant frequency of the bridge, the bridge collapses.

    Tesla was a master when it came to frequency. Once he attached a small clock sized vibrator onto a steel beam in his lab. He watched as huge equipment started ” walking ” across his lab. When tens of thousands of windows within a few miles of his lab shattered, and as people fled into the streets because they thought it was an earthquake, Tesla took a sledge hammer to the vibrator and ended that particular experiment.

    The earth has a natural resonant frequency that is beneficial for the health of all life on this planet. This frequency is being deliberately tampered with via HAARP and the other 50 phased array attennae systems around the world.This energy is much more harmful and far more powerful than the electromagnetic smog fields created by industrialization ( cell phones etc ).

    Tesla gave us AC electricity. He ( not Marconi) gave us radio. Tesla coils are used in TV and computers.He wanted to give us free energy ( etheric energy), but J P Morgan stopped him. When he died the USA govt seized 37 trunks of his research material. The satanic bastards have co-opted Tesla’s genius and science and are using it to soft-kill us.

  134. stef Says:

    Nightmare: They most certainly did! I believe Tesla said, “I can split worlds asunder.”

    Eric: Witnesses report having seen Lucifer’s face in the smoke&fire of 911. The photos/videos I’ve seen certainly confirm “something” there — Satan, along with a few of his minions? Plain old smoke? Like chems, some see them, others don’t. I do.

    Again, the documentary “The Arrivals,” delves into one possible theory: The Luci-lovers managed to open the portal to the underwold on 911.

    A few episodes are redundant etc., but the later episodes are excellent. (46 episodes)

    Hope I got this right: Kabbalah has 10 levels, the 10th being God.

    Luciferians skipped God, or dismissed God, and jumped over the number 10, hence 9 – 11.

    That’s the number we’ve been told to dial when in danger etc.. How clever and underhanded those Satanists are! In accordance with their beliefs they’ve had us dismissing God right along with them! Ha!

    I’m sure you realize the many ironies of those precise numbers on that precise date and all the rest of the “coincidental” numbers in the architecture etc.

    Think it’s Icke explained: Everything about 911 points to a mega ritual to open a star gate. WTC 1&2 represent the two pillars Jachin and Boaz of Solomons temple.

    Know thine enemy, eh, Eric? I concur. As you said, numerology is of the greatest import for them. Every catastrophe they’ve inflicted on the world has occured on specific dates, times, seasons…all are interconnected and so on.

    It’s a double-whammy against us really: They not only have ancient occult knowledge, but also possess super-advanced technology/science. In addition, and it’s no small addition, they are totally insane.

    I’ll check out what you cited, Eric. Thanks.

    NB: Celline is an immutable force re. the Babble. God’s diary, if you will. He started scribbling everything down, you see, on the Sunday he requested, “Let there be light…”


  135. solsburyhill Says:

    Interesting thread.

    I woke up on last Saturday morning to what was going to be a beautiful day. The sun was indeed shining but the clouds that appeared in the horizon were all PINK! Weird. Never seen that before.

    My head sounds like that…

  136. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Hello Nightmareskies,

    Welcome! I appreciate your interesting comments. I very much agree that Tesla’s knowledge has somehow been co-opted into the secretive HAARP program. There are so many elements to this puzzle. Remember the Bible quote from Hosea 4:6? “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge….”

    We try here to keep the knowledge and information quotient high…..and overall I think we are pretty successful. We live in “interesting times” indeed….


  137. Ursa Major Says:

    I just want to answer some questions somebody asked yesterday.

    Yes, I still speak perfect German, and so does Celline. I have found plenty of YouTube videos and websites in German that show that there is heavy chemtrailing happening in Germany, Switzerland and Austria as well.

    The German military has said that those are training exercises. People are protesting, saying that the Americans are spraying. The USA can do anything they want in Germany since the war, and nobody can stop them.

    I remember 30 years ago, when my husband and I went on our honeymoon in place called ‘Lueneburger Heide’, which is a large area of heather and hills south of Hamburg. It is supposed to be a protected wilderness reserve.

    Yet TANKS were in large areas of it, destroying it!

    Anyway, yes, many Germans, Austrians and Swiss people are aware of the spraying and very angry, but it is the same as here…….. they can’t stop it.

    We went to Mexico last year in February to visit friends there. We flew into Mexico City, and then had to take a bus (a three hour bus ride) to our destination, Queretaro.

    I just looked at my pictures again, to see if there were chemtrails (I only started my research this year in February). I really didn’t think I’d see any, since it was sunny and beautiful. But I actually found quite a few chemclouds. Some obvious chemtrails near Mexico City, but in pictures my husband took of himself and his friend going up a mountain, there are chemclouds in the background.

    I also looked at the pictures I took when I was in Hamburg, Germany, during the summer of 2007. But since Hamburg has always had rainy summers and clouds cover isn’t anything unusual, I couldn’t see anything out of the ordinary in those pictures.

    My takeoff pictures from Toronto airport show clearly going through chemclouds on the way up to cruising altitude. And the pictures I took of ‘neat clouds’ below us on the way back are nearly all the way those velcro chemclouds!

    NMS, I watched the cartoon video you linked to (and a few more by the same lady). She is doing a good job, I hope lots of people watch her stuff.

    Celline, you need to watch it, and then click on some of her other videos, she is in San Diego, too.

  138. Ursa Major Says:

    Solsburyhill, where do you live?

  139. stef Says:

    Lots of bees in my yard! The whole neighbourhood has been plagued white translucent grubs that eat up lawns at incredible speed. Chems? Maybe.

    Everybody ran out, well, not everybody, but lots and spent thousands to rid themselves of the pest and re-seed or re-the-other-thing their lawns These people are lawn-crazy, I tell you.

    I purchased a small bag of German white clover, waited for rain (not to long) and bid farewell to grubs and weeds wherever the clover grows. As a bonus, plenty of honeybees! Danke Deutschland!

    Auf wiedersehen!

  140. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, are you German, too?

    I haven’t seen a single honeybee this far in my neck of the woods. I have seen three bumble bees since summer started. Hardly any wasps, either (and usually they are a real pest).

  141. solsburyhill Says:

    Hallo Ursa,

    I live in Sweden. Plenty of spraying here as well, and I get the impression that these activities have intensified lately.

    …….and, of course, noone finds this anything abnormal…

  142. ericswan Says:

    Telescopic aid…http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/

  143. ericswan Says:

    Dude made an inquiry awhile back about member’s preparedness. In my opinion we have to prepare to be off the grid. Any sort of atmospheric disturbance ie. neutron or atomic bomb in the high atmosphere wipes out all electronic devices. As the bible says, let’s hope it doesn’t come in winter.

    This means cars won’t work; anything electric including the power system generators will be wiped out. Most people won’t have access to water if it is electricity and not gravity dependent. Trucks won’t bring food and cashiers won’t be working.

    So where does that leave you? The people of Haiti survived their economic collapse/famine by eating mud pies. Many people have survived a crisis by eating grass. The Mormons are required by church law to put food up that will last a couple of years. There are charts on the net which Mormons use in deciding what foods to put aside. These charts indicate that wheat will store and still be viable for 20 years. Nuts, seeds, and beans are viable for 5 years.

    Obviously, water filtration will be absolutely essential and not a week after the taps are shut off..right now.. There is an organization called CAWST that can help you filter toxic water. My preference is an industrial mineral called ZEOLITE that will remove nuclear isotopes from drinking water. Zeolite is found worldwide. It’s used as medicine in small quantities but can be purchased by the ton for a couple of hundred dollars.

  144. Dude Says:

    For the new people:

    The chemtrails are to hide our 10th planet Nibiru. This is why they are now global and are sprayed every day. Nibiru is also the reason the US govt is now classifying all meteor events as secret.

    This is the sign in the heavens that warns of the War of Armageddon which will see Russia, China and the SCO destroy America on 10-10-09. Russia has told us they will nuke us over Iran for 2 year now but its not on the liebox.

    Its the story told many many times in the Bible, numerous other ancient texts and a great deal of the prophecies ever written.

    ALL the news is here:

  145. stef Says:

    Zeolite — some say yes, some no.

    What’s it doing for you, Eric? How much to buy the first time?

    I drink pure apricot juice with a smidge of baking soda and a 1000mg caplet of vit. C everyday.

    Found the “recipe” online on this health nut site.

    Maybe that’s why I’m less affected than most re. chems?

    I don’t know. This is like chasing rainbows…not the ethethylen type, the real kind.

    I’ve got bottles of bleach to purify water.

    Thanks for your telescope info link.

    I’m buying the full lens and filter kit + a sun filter/lense (?) on Friday. After which, no more gadgets for a while. This stuff doesn’t come cheap.

    No, not German. Studied for a few months. Love the language. Love languages in general. I’m polyglot, as are most of us here, I think.

  146. stef Says:

    Quickly for those interested this article:

    “Protein For Vegetarians & the ‘Beans & Rice’ Myth.”


  147. stef Says:




  148. stef Says:

    What about crop circles?

    Do they have any relation to chemtrails?

    As it is above so shall it be below, sorta thing?

  149. ericswan Says:

    Well Stef..I think they do.. here’s an interview with one of those cosmic Christians serving Jesus from a spaceship near you…(not kidding here)


  150. Celline Says:

    @solsbury, welcome to you, I have much wondered about Sweden..now I know ! And all European countries will have to tell their people: The Americans are doing it ! And so, there’s nothing we can do.
    I have always wondered, WHY American military remains in every country.. they fought a war ! They stay, not for their protection.. yet, to be in place for the NWO, clear as glass. Besides.. they are UN.. not ” American ” exclusively. NMS I watched that cartoon, great to pass on, thanx for putting it out there.
    I wonder.. who told the Mormons ( in the 19th century ) that they would need foodstorage. I have M. relatives and can testefy.. they are armed to the gills.. and have huge food and waterstorages.. all of them, all the time, each generation. So.. who told Josef????? He was a Mason, and a magician, he knew more than we do now, I s’pose. There’s other things they wanted to do.. but our government would not let them.
    1 is so politically incorrect, I don’t even dare mention it here.
    Has to do with a certain race. Sky again.. full of lumps today.. little tiny lumps that look like small pox… sickening to see. My German company, coming tonight.. will get their peepers opened !

  151. Dude Says:

    stef: we have had two crop circles that i know of that show a winged disc. it looks just like the ones from ancient egypt and the one where they forgot to airbrush Nibiru out of a SOHO pic. theyre all in my doc now and some new news….like a china sub destroying a pull-behind sonar array last week.

  152. stef Says:

    Have you seen the “formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.” and and the most recent, a 400ft. Phoenix?

    600ft. jellyfish? Alien face holding the globe?

    Serioulsy, I can’t wait to see the BIG PICTURE! Even if I live but a mere few hours or minutes after the unveiling — I WANT TO SEE IT!


    Appreciate all info and follow up on everything.

  153. Dude Says:

    stef: nice page from rense about protein. rense is one of my fav news sites.

    heres the SOHO web address. nibiru pic is on 3-27-2009 @ 03:18

  154. Dude Says:

    Yea, I saw all of those. UFOs been very interesting to me from when i was very little. that globe the alien face is holding is a binary coded message in spanish, and awesome. it goes something like:
    there is still time
    believe there is still good out there
    we dont like deceit
    beware the bearers of false presents and broken promises

    Heres a couple links about it:

    There is also a cropcircle replica of the message we sent with one of the voyagers and one of a solar system drawing warning about Nibiru.

  155. stef Says:

    Dude: Glad you like Rense. Didn’t mention it ’cause I thought everybody here knew about it already. It’s been around so long.

    Starting point for most of my research.

    It’s solid.

    Thanks. Dinner awaits. Check all links with coffee after.

  156. Nighmareskies Says:

    Check out these orbs captured by a fellow in Vernon ( just north of where I live ).

    Those are not clouds in the background. The chem spray for over a yr here is so dense that the skies turn a dark gray.

    The orbs are monitoring the chemspray.

    I am convinced that chemspray here is far worse than other places. We have the perfect conditions for them to conduct their ghastly experiments. Kelowna is the least windy city in all of Canada. Plus being in a valley, the chem crap just hangs over us. I have watched the jets clear the hills/mountains that surround us and once they are over the population centres they turn on the spray.

    Today is day 7 without a break in their operations. I’m looking at what passes for the sun these days…. a ghostly pale glow almost entirely swallowed by the toxic haze. Even the moon is brighter.

  157. clark Says:

    @Dude, I was going to check out the SOHO pic, but I need more info than you gave, I think. There are a number of options. What would I be seeing then anyway? A round funky colored moon type sphere? The two I did see were not pretty but it was interesting, like a blob of molten pig iron.

    I wonder if crop circles are mans bored practice with some kind of remote etch-a-sketch, a HAARP capability ripped off from Tesla notes? The really intricate designs seem kind of pointless when in crops. If it was done in some long lasting rocks, I could see there being some point.

    The bee movie was pretty wild, I’ve never seen bees up close like that before. What was it on the legs, honey or mites? I really suspect either mites or the bees are attracted to one of the substances in the chemtrail that is bad for them, much like they love to take dynamite back to the hive. Or HAARP. Or,… who knows. I’m starting to feel … I dunno, like there is no more info to be had, no point to having more info.

    The last few days have been mostly all white background with rain, and a few of those cotton ball clouds. What little breaks in the sky we did get, lots of jet work going on high up, with the newer quicker dissipating stuff.

    Then I hit refresh, and bam! some new info, movies of orbs.

    @NMS, talk about no wind. We haven’t had much wind either, there are far too many days when the clouds just sit and hang and there is such a stillness it’s eerie.

  158. Ursa Major Says:

    NMS, I will follow your link in a moment, it looks interesting.

    By the way, guys, those crop circles have been shown to be hoaxes, made by people for the fun of stumping others.

    Here is an interesting article, titled, “Debunking Chemtrail Debunkers” http://www.rense.com/general30/deby.htm

    Today we’ve had relentless spraying from morning until sunset, and for all I know it is still going on, now that it is dark.

    So, I have taken about 500 pictures only today! I started this morning, out of my upstairs window (I can do that without my husband or daughter noticing).

    I went with my daughter to the chiropractor in the late afternoon, and took pictures of those chems while driving. She got really mad at me, calling me stupid and ‘totally obsessed with chemtrails, which isn’t normal’ (in her opinion).

    I asked her if she can’t see that those aren’t clouds, but are being deliberately sprayed by planes. And she said that she agreed those were chemtrails, but told me she didn’t care and that it made no difference to her, and to shut up, because she didn’t want to talk about stupid chemtrails.

    Later, close to sunset, my husband had to go to a meeting, and so I told my daughter I needed to go and buy some groceries for my husband’s birthday dinner tomorrow night (which was true).

    But first I went to a spot on a hill on a side road, with farmer’s fields on both sides, and took pictures. Then I went shopping, and returned to that spot, as the sun was now really going down.

    So, here I was, standing in a farmer’s field at sunset, being eaten alive by blackflies and mosquitoes, taking pictures of that chemical sunset with new chemtrails still being sprayed as I was taking the pictures. Me, who is absolutely paranoid about blackflies and mosquitoes, and I normally NEVER purposely expose myself to them!

    I actually managed to ignore them, so I could take the pictures. I am covered in welts, but it was worth it to have the evidence. Good thing nobody in my family knows I did that. Otherwise they’d really declare me insane.

    When I went to the mailbox to check the mail in the early afternoon, I took my camera with me in my pocket to take pictures (it’s a great spot to overlook much of the sky), and a girl, about ten or eleven came to check the mail, too (those are community mailboxes for the whole street). When she asked me what I was taking pictures of, I showed her the chemtrails.

    She agreed that if that trail that started on the horizon in the west was a real contrail, it shouldn’t be going over our heads and going all the way to the east as we were talking, but should have disappeared long ago.

    I hope I didn’t make her parents too angry by showing the kid that the whole sky was covered in chemtrails, and that those clouds weren’t real clouds.

    Of course, they may have just told her I am nuts. But at least I made her think. And she saw a chemtrail being sprayed with her own eyes. I bet she’ll keep looking up now.

  159. Ursa Major Says:

    NMS, I watched that video. I really think that UFOs are only unidentified objects, because they have to do with secret government operations. I truly don’t believe in aliens from other planets.

    So, those UFOs being there to supervise the chemtrail spraying is as good an explanation as any, as far as I am concerned.

  160. Dude Says:

    nms: nice orb vids. I may have caught one myself but not sure.

    clark: yea, choose the LASCO C3 image type. you can pick whatever resolution you want. date = 3-27-2009. the pic on that one looks just like the winged disc from ancient egypt and two crop circles. Try looking at other days. there seems to be a lot of stuff in there.

    ursa: those chemtrails have been shown to be hoaxes, made by planes at certain humidity and altitudes which leaves persistent contrails. dont worry though, you will have plenty days to take more pictures of them because they are hiding that other hoax, the planet Nibiru.

  161. Ursa Major Says:

    Dude, what the heck is your problem? When did I say that chemtrails are hoaxes? I posted a link that is about debunking the debunkers. As in, proving the government shills wrong, who claim chemtrails are just persistent contrails.

    Didn’t you read my long post? I took pics of chems all day today, as the whole sky was covered in them. And being out there under that awful sky for hours today certainly didn’t do my health any good.

    But you have zero proof of that elusive planet Nibiru, as far as I am concerned.

    I do believe that revelation talks about a comet hitting the earth at some point. But I don’t believe it will have anything to do with a mystical planet Nibiru.

  162. Ursa Major Says:

    Oh, Dude, and if you think that those orbs are real UFOs, as in alien space ships, the government has made them up to hide their activity in the skies.

    How do you think anybody would live on your imaginary planet Nibiru? If it has that crazy ‘orbit’ you claim it has, then for most of the time it is way too far away from the sun to be warm enough to even have an atmosphere. Meaning, no life could possibly exist on it.

  163. Dude Says:

    seems Nibiru is a brown dwarf with planets of its own. Whatever the case, it is coming and there are others in space too. We are the lowly lifeforms in the universe.

    I thought you believed your Bible or are you like Truth, just believe what you want to?

  164. Ursa Major Says:

    Dude, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say there are life forms on other planets.

    And why the heck would another SUN with planets of its own orbit around our sun? This is getting more convoluted all the time.

    I really, really don’t believe that the chemtrails are supposed to hide anything other than the sky (maybe to make people despondent and depressed, which works to a degree with Celline and I am sure others, and/or mind control via drugs in the trails, or bacteria and viruses to make people sick……. who knows).

    And we are NOT lowly life forms, what nonsense. The Bible says that we were made in God’s image. Hardly sounds like lowly life forms to me.

    I have a great book recommendation for you. I own this book, and it gives answers to all the ‘alien’ and UFO questions. http://www.alienintrusion.com/main.html

  165. Ursa Major Says:

    By the way, that book also clearly shows that ALL crop circles are man-made. Yes, even the most intricate ones.

  166. Celline Says:

    Hi Uschi…. and, whoever cares, my German company is here.. having a great time. As usual we had plenty of Chems and I showed them to them.
    Know what they said ? ” Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”.. that’s all !
    Hmmmmmmmmm, well at least, I get to show them some more tomorrow in the desert, and I hope I will get something more out of them, except:’ HMMMMMMMM ” This guy is a Dr.. specializing in the LUNGS ! Now tomorrow, I’ll ask him, what will happen if we keep breathing this stuff. I hope for a decent reply.. at least some interest.. outside of “hmmmmmmm” we’ll see.

  167. Celline Says:

    Uschi.. u can’t tell Dude anything.. he knows better than any of us.
    Correct, UFOs at Best.. are human engeneered and built flying things.. w. absolutely Nada one Alien in it .. !

  168. Dude Says:

    Ursa, your book is govt propaganda just like the them saying theres no chemtrails. Read your Bible. It describes a lot of pretty amazing things in that area but most of it has been removed.

    Even without all the evidence yall obviously havent seen, and with all the billions of stars in each of the billions of galaxies, one would have to be an extremely arrogant individual to think there are no others out there.

    You both are whack. you KNOW that nobody would spray stuff in the air. Those contrails have been around for as long as planes and you are just plain nuts!

  169. Dude Says:

    oh yea, 80% of the known star systems are binary systems, meaning theres two stars orbiting each other.

  170. ericswan Says:

    Today was a typical chemtrail day from hell. Overcast before the sun came up and trails through the haze when the sun went down. It looks and sounds like a full on blitz is taking place over North America.

    I’m not sure about aliens visiting but I’m sure we have the technology to be colonizing Mars, the moon and Saturn and the rest of us know nothing about it. I believe flying saucers have been used by the military/secret government here and elsewhere for decades.

  171. Celline Says:

    hahaha, I get it..
    The plan is : to now deny the chems, in the hope, we will change our minds and believe in nibiru whateva….
    Childish bologna wasen’t planned for this blog.. but: here it goes.
    Whack, good word I just learned, agreed, Dude is Whack.

  172. ericswan Says:

    Hey Celline..get some sleep..you have a big day ahead with the good docktor. Ask him why there is so much respiratory disruption around the world.

    Hey Dude.. I don’t know about 80% but there is alot of this binary stuff out there. Whether our sun and a brown dwarf are part of that remains to be seen.

    I have to wonder about the clockwork of the universe when we see the eclipse of the sun with a perfect fit of the moon over it. That’s really out there if you think about it. On April 11, 1996, the comet Hyakutake conjuncted the star Algol. On April 11, 1997, the comet Hale-Bopp conjuncted the star Algol. On Jan. 21, 2008, the comet 17p/Holmes conjuncted Algol. Algol has been associated with Satan for thousands of years and on every continent, it and comets are considered to be evil omens. Any thoughts? If you would like to see the evidence I will post links.

  173. Ursa Major Says:

    Dude, what crap, that book being government propaganda! That book is a Christian book, fully based on the Bible.

    You claim you believe the Bible. If you do, you can’t believe in aliens.

    Now, let’s assume space travel past what has been done is possible. It is a fallacy to believe that because things are weightless in space, that they are easy to move.

    To propel a one-pound object to 50% the speed of light, it would take the energy of 98 Hiroshima sized atomic bombs (obviously, a space ship would weight an awful lot more). The speed of light is 300,000 km a second.

    To traverse the Milky Way, it would take you 100,000 years at the speed of light. To get to the closest galaxy outside the Milky Way (Andromeda), it would take 2,300,000 years. The next galaxy after that would take 20 million years to reach (all assuming it was possible to travel in a spacecraft at the speed of light).

    Here are some facts on the NASA space shuttle:

    It takes eight minutes for the shuttle to accelerate to a speed of 17,000 miles per hour, the velocity required to enter Earth’s orbit. Escape velocity to leave the planet behind is 25,000 miles per hour.

    The turbo pump on the space shuttle’s main engine is so powerful, it could drain an average size swimming pool in 25 seconds.

    The space shuttle’s three main engines and two solid rocket boosters generate some 7.3 million pounds of thrust at liftoff.

    If their heat energy would be converted to electric power, two boosters firing for two minutes only would produce 2.2 million kilowatt hours of power, enough to supply the entire power demand of 87,000 homes for a full day.

    These details show that the space shuttle is an amazing piece of technology, which uses enormous amounts of energy. Yet it pales into insignificance in comparison to the energy requirements to propel a spaceship of the same size to anywhere near light speed.

    It would require the energy of 23 million atomic bombs to achieve about 50% the speed of light (c). At 90% the speed of light, it would require the energy of 73 million atomic bombs, or 351 years of the combined power output of all U.S energy facilities.

    Of course, once the spaceship reaches its destination, it needs to slow down. It requires the same amount of energy it took to get it going to slow down again. And then in order to return home, it needs energy to speed up and slow down again. Meaning, it needs four times the original energy requirements for the return journey (assuming no course-change is required along the way, which again uses energy).

    Obviously, we don’t have enough energy to make it happen. And at the normal speed of the space shuttle, it would take 870,000 years to reach the next star in our own galaxy, Proxima Centauri.

    Even if the power problems could be solved, there are other problems. For instance, objects in space. Space is NOT empty, there is a lot of dust floating around, as well as larger objects.

    It is estimated that there are 100,000 dust particles per cubic kilometer in space. At light speed an impact with just ONE of these tiny particles would destroy a spaceship. Even at one-tenth the speed of light the impact would be equivalent to 10 tons of TNT. Encountering a pea sized object at only 50% of the speed of light would produce kinetic energy equal to 2.2 atomic bombs.

    Detecting any objects, never mind ones as tiny as a speck of dust at ultra high speeds is impossible.

    As a spacecraft accelerates or changes course, it would exert g forces on its occupants. A g force of 1 is equivalent to the Earth’s gravity. At 3 g’s, a fighter pilot could rupture the blood vessels in his eyes. At 5 g’s, the pilot would pass out, and 9 g’s would kill the pilot within seconds. Any further increase, and the plane would be torn apart. Changing directions at light speed would exert MILLIONS of g’s on the ship and its occupants!

    Then there are cosmic rays. Prolonged exposure can be fatal. Also, being weightless for extended periods of time wastes away your muscles and you lose bone density. People having spent several months in a space station have been known to take up to several years to recover.

    There are other problems, but this should hopefully be enough to make it clear that space travel for us, or any imaginary aliens is impossible. Distances are too vast, and too much energy is required to make it happen.

  174. Nightmareskies Says:

    Far from telling people these doctrines were their own inventions, popes have often insisted that as \”Vicars of Christ\”, what they taught was \”the Gospel of Jesus Christ\”. Here are many examples of such doctrines and practices:

    215 a.d. – First mention of infant baptism.
    300 a.d. (circa) – Prayers for the dead.
    300 a.d. – Making the sign of the cross .
    320 a.d. – Wax Candles.
    312 a.d. – Emperor Constantine converted (more or less).
    321 a.d. – Constantine declared Sunday (rather than the biblical sabbath) a civil holiday (Holy Day).
    325 a.d. – Council of Nicea, under Constantine\’s direction, adopts \”Creed\” and recognizes episcopacy.
    375 a.d. – Veneration of angels and dead saints.
    375 a.d. – The use of images. (Despite the third commandment \”Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.\”
    394 a.d. – The Mass as a daily celebration.
    394 a.d. – Council of Carthage: canonization of Scripture.
    405 a.d. – Latin Vulgate Bible by Jerome.
    407 a.d. – Edict of Innocent I: Compulsory infant baptism.
    431 a.d. – The beginning of the exaltation of Mary. The title \”Mother of God\” originated with the Council of Ephesus.
    500 a.d. – Priests begin to dress differently than laymen. .
    526 a.d. – Extreme Unction formalized.
    529 a.d. – First monastic order begun by Benedict of Nursia.
    593 a.d. – The doctrine of purgatory is established by Pope Gregory I.
    600 a.d. – The use of Latin language in prayer and worship made official.
    600 a.d. – Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints and to angels.
    (540-604) – Pope Gregory the Great says that sex for married couple was all right provided they did not ‘befoul their intercourse with pleasure’ (Pastoral Rule 3.27).
    607 a.d. – Title of \”Pope\” (Bishop of the universe) given to Boniface III by the Emperor Phocas.
    680 a.d. – Pope Honorius declared a heretic by Third Council of Constantinople.
    709 a.d. – Kissing the pope\’s foot begins with Pope Constantine.
    750 a.d. – Temporal power of the popes is conferred by Pepin, King of the Franks.
    786 a.d. – Worship of the cross, images and relics is now officially authorized.
    850 a.d. – Holy Water (mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest) comes into use. .
    890 a.d. – The worship of Joseph as a saint.
    927 a.d. – College of Cardinals established (for election of popes).
    965 a.d. – Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John XIII.
    995 a.d. – The canonization of dead saints is first done by Pope John XV.
    998 a.d. – Fasting on Fridays and during Lent begins.
    1050 – The mass has gradually developed into a sacrifice and attendance is now obligatory.
    1079 The celibacy of the priesthood is required by Pope Gregory II.
    1090 – The rosary, a mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit.
    11th century –
    \”Sacred Heart of Jesus\”
    1184 – The Inquisition, in operation for centuries, is now made official by Council of Verona.
    1190 – The sale of indulgences begins..
    1215 – Doctrine of transubstantiation is proclaimed by Pope Innocent III as the power to bring down God out of heaven into a cup and wafer.
    1215 – Auricular confession of sins to a priest is instituted by Pope Innocent III and required annually in the Lateran council. .
    1220 – The adoration of the wafer (host) is decreed by Pope Honorius III.
    1229 – Laymen are officially forbidden to have or read the Bible – by the Council of Valencia.
    1251 – Protection by a piece of cloth, the scapular is invented by Simon Stock, a British monk.
    1414 – Laymen are forbidden to drink the cup at communion, by order of the Council of Constance.
    1439 – Purgatory is proclaimed as a dogma by Council of Florence.
    1439 – Doctrine of seven sacraments is affirmed on pain of mortal sin.
    [ These seven key \”sacraments\” make the Catholic laity dependent on the clergy at every important moment of their life.]
    1504 – The sale of indulgences (by Tetzel) begins.
    1506 – Rebuilding of St. Peter with money from indulgence business begins.
    1507 – Cult of holy house of Loretto, transported from Holy Land by angels recognized by Pope Julius II.
    1508 – The first half of the \”Ave Maria\” prayer is made official.
    1593 – The other half of the \”Ave Maria\” is required of the faithful by Pope Sixtus V .
    1534 – The Jesuit Order is founded by Ignatius Loyola;
    Luther publishes his bible & Calvin publishes his Institutes.
    1542 – Pope Paul III creates the Inquisition, the first Roman Congregation of the bureacracy now known as the Vatican Curia.
    1545 – The Council of Trent declares \”Tradition\” (the teaching of the \”fathers\”, popes and councils) equal in authority with the bible.
    1546 – The Council of Trent adds the apocryphal books to the bible.

    1559 – Pope Paul IV initiates the \”Index of Forbidden Books\”.
    1565 – Following the Council of Trent \”the creed of Pope Pius IV\” is imposed as the official creed of the church.
    1831-46 : Pope Gregory XVI condemns \”freedom of conscience\” as \”a mad opinion\”.
    1854 – The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary is proclaimed by Pope Pius IX.
    1864 – The First Vatican Council ratifies, as the truth of God, Pope Pius X\’s \”Syllabus of Errors\” (which condemned and repudiated : freedom of religion, speech, press, and all scientific discoveries that have not been approved by the church) .
    1864 – The temporal authority of the pope over all rulers is officially reaffirmed.
    1869-70 – The First Vatican Council proclaims the absolute infallibility of the pope in all matters of a faith and morals .
    1907 – Pope Pius X publishes the encyclical letters Lamentabili and Pascendi against \”Modernism\”.
    1930 – \”Public schools\” (i.e. non-sectarian) are condemned by Pope Pius XI (as opposed to church-run schools subsidized by the state, on the basis of taxes imposed on the public).
    Throughout World War II, while Hitler\’s government subsidized Catholic and Lutheran churches and schools, those churches avoided any clear condemnation of the Nazi attempt to wipe out the entire Jewish population of Europe.
    1939-1958 – Controversial Pope Pius XII
    1933 – Pius XII signs \”Concordat\” with Hitler.
    in 1939 – when Eugenio Pacelli became Pope, rather than publish the Encyclical Letter,Humani Generis Unitas {The Unity of the Human Race} in which Pope Pius XI explicitly condemned the Holocaust, he buried it in the Vatican archives.
    Neither during Adolf Hitler\’s rise to power or any time since, is his Nazi bible, \”Mein Kampf\”, ever added to the \”Index of Forbidden Books\”.
    Neither Hitler nor any of the many, many other Roman Catholic Nazi leaders were ever excommunicated.
    1950 – The Assumption of the Virgin Mary (ascension of her body into heaven shortly after her death) is proclaimed by Pope Pius XII.
    1962-1965 – The Second Vatican Council
    1963-1978 : Birth Control issue removed from the competence of the General Council of the Church by Pope Paul VI )
    1965 – Mary is proclaimed to be \”the Mother of God\”, by Pope Paul VI.
    1966 – The \”Index of Forbidden Books\” discontinued by Pope Paul VI.
    1978-2003 – Pope John Paul II canonizes more \”saints\” than all of his predecessors combined!

    More Roman Catholic innovations,
    ( that have yet to be dated ):

    Worship not justified by the Bible:

    \”Christ the King\” The Infant of Prague

    The \”Queenship\” of Mary
    Mary viewed as \”the Mother of God\”
    Mary \”Mediatrix of all grace\”
    The \”Immaculate Conception\” of Mary
    The bodily \”Assumption\” of Mary (into Heaven)
    Shrines of all kinds
    \”Patron Saints\” with power in specialized areas

    Beliefs not justified by the Bible:

    Crucial role of the Pope, and through him of all clergy
    requiring celibacy for priests
    reserving the priesthood (and most positions of honor or power) for men only
    the duties of wives to their husbands
    pressuring non-Catholics to \”convert\” in order to marry Catholics
    pressuring the non-Catholic parent to raise his or her children as marry Catholics
    strict ban on marriage after divorce (except for those influential enough to get special treatment, such as \”annulment\”)
    burial of Catholics in Catholics-only cemeteries
    the cataloguing of Mortal vs. Venial Sins

    Identifying the following as \”Mortal Sins\”:
    birth control
    embrionic cell research
    suicide, even for the hopelessly ill

    This site has a wealth of information about the absolute evil history of the Roman Catholic Church. The gentleman who runs this site is a former priest ( and no, he wasn\’t defrocked…he left of his own volition ).


  175. Nighmareskies Says:

    For some reason the link came up wrong. For those interested ( and believe me, this is a major in depth site with an amazing amount of historical information and endless links) just google :


    This will take you to the main menu

  176. stef Says:

    Thanks Eric for that Algol thing. Please do post links.

    I\’m trying to catch up and I get:

    Crop circles are man-made?

    Chems don\’t exist?

    A whole shmorgasborg of religious drivel?

    The Bible doesn\’t mention angels, uh, I mean aliens?

    German company that goes Hmmmmmmmmm?

    Long-winded reports from N(ever) A S(traight) A(answer) jet propulsion?

    Man is alone in the universe?

    We can\’t travel at the speed of light, so no one can?

    The entire history of the Catholic Church?

    Clark? Oh! Clarko? If you\’re out there speak up. In need soothing words.

    Dude: And then there were three…and you got them riled.

    \”Thrice to thine, and thrice to mine, and thrice again to make up nine…\” (witches in Macbeth)

    Yesterday, not one chem here. This morning, whack!

    Coffee time.

  177. stef Says:

    Sorry about all the ///// everywhere. My made in China keyboard’s fucked.

    And another one bites the dust…

    Au revoir.

  178. stef Says:

    Okay, I’ve switched to another made in China keyboard. This one won’t print the letter “…” the letter comes before “y.” I always buy two, one spare, for just such an eventuality. And see? NDG!

    Both keyboards were “high-end” and no more than 7-8 months old, then again, made in China means it self-destructs as if on cue.

    Seems their repeated attempts to kill us with the melamine in food etc. won’t suffice, the crap they make, and there’s little else out there nowadays, must meet strict standards for consistent unreliabity and dinkyness.

    Dude: Barely a reply from you re. my numerous other questions, but never mind.

    Perhaps you’ll e_plain the fact Nibiru, as per sites you suggested, was supposed to appear to backyard astronomers in 2003? We’re 7 years later and still nothing?

    As I’ve said a dozen times, I’m not disputing the chems ARE trying to hide something (aside from plenty of other nefarious purposes), but Nibiru’s date of appearance does vary quiet a lot. 2003? 2006? 2009?

    It’s been reported it will appear at 33 degrees from the sun or some such thing — significantly connected to the Masons who, it is surmised, know of its approach.

    Does one need a “sun telescope” to see it now?

    Hope you’ll respond. Thanks.


  179. ericswan Says:

    Just two links that confirm the conjunct of the malevolent comets thrice.



    Since I read these, I have discovered two discussion boards with thousands of posts all pondering why these comets were summoned at this time and in perfect harmony in space.

    Really good astronomy in these astrological pages….

  180. stef Says:

    Eric, thanks, but an overall black background is inhospitable and unnecessary whilst the white-on-black script quickly becomes unbearable for me to read.

    The other, well, it’s a “ladies’ site.” It’s gotta be.

    Only “ladies” promulgate this sort of fantastical fairy-tale BS nonsense about that “royal-blooded” reptilian (a la Icke) Diana.

    Einstein said, “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

    The global hysteria over that bitch’s death and the mooing, tearing mindlessly adoring masses at Obamination’s coronation confirm Einstein’s assessment.

    On the heels of the Diana nonsense comes the most infantile, unforgiveable e_planation for the French Revolution!

    It’s the conjunct part I’m interested in. Nonetheless, I’m grateful to you, Eric.

    Lots of astronomy sites…I’m outta here.

    Dude, I await your reply.

    Later maybe,

  181. Dude Says:

    stef:Im not aware of any question you asked other than about the crop circles and I thought i answered that.

    nms: you posted a lot of stuff about religious history but you would be very wise to read the story in the bible….if youre in the usa anyway. over half of it is the story of the destruction of the USA on 10-10-09 and it is FULL of incredible details.

    i tried responding to the incredibly hypocritical ursa and celline but this thing wouldnt let me. They have closed their minds to the truth about ETs and Nibiru just like the people they know have closed their minds to chemtrails. Maybe the 10 or so links I posted was too much.
    Maybe just one at a time: http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

    That link shows a bit of UFO stuff throughout history when there was no US AF to blame for the UFOs.

    Saying “if you believe the Bible then you cant believe in aliens” is total hypocrisy since your Bible (that you claim to believe) is full of alien stuff. What do you think the “New Jerusalem” is that will “descend from the heavens”??? Seriously girls, get a brain. what is the cheribum with the flaming sword in Genesis? We know from Ezekiel that Cheribums are flying objects since that is what Ezekiel called military jets.

    maybe 2 links. Watch the Disclosure project where a lot of insiders come forward to tell what they know:

  182. Dude Says:

    haha ok. i did not try to embed that vid. guess thats why it wouldnt let me post a bunch of links last night.

  183. Dude Says:

    Oh yea, that comet Holmes….i thought that was the sign in the heavens when it happened. that is when i was trying to stay outta the usa but im glad i came back now cause being in Canada will guarantee that i wouldve been captured as they are going to turn against us and cut us off in the day of destruction. Canada is the tribe of Dan and the land of Beersheeba in the Bible. that is why Dan is not mentioned in the 144,000 that will be saved…cause they have their own country and Russia wont completely destroy them.

  184. Ursa Major Says:

    NMS, what you posted about the catholic church is correct, other than that abortion IS murder and a sin. The bible does mention that, and it is not a catholic ‘invention’, and the same goes for infanticide. And since embryonic stem cell research goes hand in hand with abortion, yes, that is murder and a sin, too.

    Besides, embryonic stem cell research hasn’t yielded anything useful yet, while adult stem cell research has shown great promise. Also, clamping the cord immediately and using the cord blood for medical purposes is extremely bad for the baby. The baby still needs to be connected to the mother until the cord stops pulsating, as that blood is desperately needed by the baby.


    Stef, what I wrote about space travel did NOT come from a government site, as I don’t trust government sites for any useful information.

    The bible does NOT talk about aliens, but angels. You guys have serious problems if now you claim that angels are the same thing as aliens.

    Go ahead and mock me, I don’t care. You guys are all deluded in many ways, and interpret the Bible in whichever way you feel you want to. You make it fit your agenda and misinterpret it accordingly.

    The one thing I got out of you, Dude, that is extremely useful is your interpretation of the visions Ezekiel and John had. I do believe that fighter airplanes and helicopters are a good fit with the descriptions.

    But I think to equate America with Zion in the Bible is nonsense, and to say that the new Jerusalem is a space ship is as well.

    Stef, even if space travel was possible, the distances are too great. And there is no such thing as warp speed, either. Besides the fact, that it would NOT be possible to avoid all the space particles out there, as space is NOT empty.

    All those alien encounters people remember are either induced by hallucinations or those aliens are demons, plain and simple. Satan is the great deceiver, he can let people see aliens, I am sure.

    You guys believe what you want to believe. Suit yourself.

    My sky today is just one thick, white mass. We are supposed to get thunderstorms just about now.

  185. Dude Says:


    my patience just ran out. youre about as dumb as a box of rocks and you sound identical to the ones youre trying to convince about chemtrails (ya know…a bunch of programmed personal opinions that fly in the face of all the evidence)

    When you see America totally destroyed on 10-10-09 exactly like I told you the Bible says then you will know the truth.

    Till then I will keep my conversations limited to those who can still think.

  186. ericswan Says:

    Ursa..I’ve seen things in the skies that are unexplainable but that doesn’t mean I believe they were UFO’s. I think space travel has already been accomplished and they won’t tell us about it. As far as aliens in the bible, I think that is a bit of a toss up. Basilides called them Archons which are a dimensional being similar to Lucifer and possibly created but not destroyed before we were. Hey, Darwin married his mother’s sister after his wife died. Anything is possible.

  187. Ursa Major Says:

    Dude, I don’t think you are too bright, either.

    In case anybody thinks I copied and pasted what I said about space travel from a NASA site or something like that, I didn’t. I got it from a book, which I read and partially copied (as in typed in every word here) and partially paraphrased because it was too long.

    Stef, the only space travel that has occurred is to the moon (manned) and to the planets in this solar system (unmanned). And even the travel to the moon might be questionable.

    Well guys, it has been nice meeting you, but I think I am out of here. Dude’s nonsense, and now his attacks on top of other attacks I’ve had here is more than I need to put up with.

  188. Ursa Major Says:

    Foundingfather, thanks for making your site available. I will explore the other parts of it, but I believe I am done with this chemtrail blog part of it. Disagreement with my views is one thing, but constant personal insults are quite another. There is never any need for that amongst adults and is unacceptable.

  189. clark Says:

    Today they are spraying very heavily. Total coverage, cris-crossing and everything. They are just above cloud level. They are using the horizon to horizon stuff, rather than the newer quicker dissipating stuff. The new stuff must not work all that well. It was clearing up some here, the clouds are collecting fast in tandem with the chemtrails. As I look out my window now, I don’t see any in the gaps in the clouds. As if they did enough and now they left?

    Last night in a temporary clearing in the clouds, approximately two hands north, off the handle of a dipper ( I think it was the big dipper) I saw either a planet or satellite that … I don’t know, my eyes were probably playing tricks on me, I thought I saw the flicker of a short red pulsing beam about twice the length of the satellite. Then it clouded up. I was under a street light so I couldn’t see it too well, but I did see quite a number of jets with the newer short stuff.

    I was directed to this set of photos from Hubble. It does show how insignificant we are, at least size wise. Wow. But then again, as the person said who directed me to this photo, we are important because this planet was made for us. As small as we are, we were important enough to have a planet made just for us.

    It’s pretty hard to argue on the internet, as the saying goes, arguing on the internet makes every one seem a bit retarded, correct or not.

    The girls not considering all possibilities is understandable, but I try to keep an open mind here. The Planet X is real, per NASA, not just Dude. The trajectory is the only thing in question. Who knows about the speed of things, there could be some factors we are unaware of to cause a planet to go faster than anyone would expect.

    Personally, two factors that always interested me were: we are described in the Bible as being the first fruits. What does that mean exactly? Are there second fruits who grew faster and got more advanced? The second is, the Three Earth Ages. Without the Three Earth Ages the Bible makes no sense. What technologies might be involved in prior earth ages is up in the air. As the Bible says, with God, all things are possible, so long as it doesn’t contradict what he said prior.

    Perhaps we should all stick to chemtrail observations, a kind of stay on topic kind of deal?
    Well, except for what Eric sees with his telescope. It’s up to everyone else if they can hold back any taunts and insults, on both sides, I think I can. Part of that whole, “be an adult” thing. With the chemtrails so active nationally, I kind of think everyone here is being a bit affected. There must be lithium in todays chemtrails I feel pretty good today.

  190. Dude Says:

    ursa: dont run off. that was a bit harsh. sorry. i just get so sick of ppl who have closed their minds to things for no reason. your statements are in direct contradiction to TONS of evidence and the text in your Bible. Same thing Truth did. he wanna keep telling me God dont like weed when God very plainly says it is good. besides, i thought you ladies liked a little drama.

  191. Anonymous Says:

    I do hope, at the very least, Ursa comes back and throws out a link to her photos when she puts them online. I was impressed with her efforts to fight the bugs, very few women will do that for anything.

    I think, maybe, Dude should get a blog so he can address questions about 10-10-09 there.

    @Dude, that’s funny what you said, “i thought you ladies liked a little drama.”

    Some do, some don’t.

  192. clark Says:

    I do hope, at the very least, Ursa comes back and throws out a link to her photos when she puts them online. I was impressed with her efforts to fight the bugs to get her photos. Very few women (and many men) will go though that for anything.

    I think, maybe, Dude should get a blog so he can address questions about 10-10-09 there.

    @Dude, that’s funny what you said, “i thought you ladies liked a little drama.”
    Some do, some don’t.

    @Celline, if you get more than a HMMM out of your German company I will be surprised. I’ll bet it winds up being like the description I gave of my friend when I showed him.

  193. clark Says:

    huh, I guess it did post afterall, sorry about the double post.

  194. stef Says:

    * have to avoid all words with the “_” so please bear with me.

    It’s I have the telescope, Clark. I’ve joined an astronomy club here. I’ll let you know how that goes.

    Dude: You think chems aren’t real? You’re kidding right?
    The questions related to the phrase in the “Our Father”: And lead us not into temptation. Other questions…well, my comments are just a short ways up, if you want to answer, review them. Thanks either way.

    Ursa, are you an elementary school teacher? That bit about “acting like grownups” etc. sounds school marmy to me.

    Or perhaps an out-of-work actress? What with the dramatic departure…

    “Stef, the only space travel that has occurred is to the moon (manned) and to the planets in this solar system (unmanned).”

    I think though we may think we know the universe, we, meaning the “llittle” people, know naught. Whatever “they” know “they” aren’t sharing. Still, if you say so, she-bear, then it is so.

    I agree, however, that there remain nagging questions over the moon landings.

    There are Military black op UFO’s and there’s the other kind. It’s all food for thought.

    Go in peace, Ursa.

    And now there are two…


  195. Dude Says:

    haha, im 40 and ive yet to meet one who doesnt like some kind of drama.

    seriously though, after two years of trying to educate idiots, i have almost zero patience left. i have engineers who spout off pancake theory about 911. i have chemtrail believers spouting off theres no Nibiru. I have Nibiru believers who say there is no God. i have Bible believers saying there will be no war.

    And they all get pissed because no one believes them about the stuff they do know but yet, they turn around and spout off the same nonsense to others about stuff they dont know shit about.

    really, it gets old. almost makes me look forward to the war. i wont be able to say “i told ya so” but theyll know.

  196. Dude Says:

    that was for Anonymous

  197. Dude Says:

    stef: “Our Father lead us not into temptation.” is just a prayer request for God to lead them away from temptation. the Bible stories are simple and the meanings are usually quite literal. Only the names of objects and places need figuring out and that is very easy with some things, like jets, helicopters and the USA.

  198. stef Says:

    Dude, here’s a question from before:

    Perhaps you’ll e_plain the fact Nibiru, as per sites you suggested, was supposed to appear to backyard astronomers in 2003? We’re 7 years later and still nothing?

    As I’ve said a dozen times, I’m not disputing the chems ARE trying to hide something (aside from plenty of other nefarious purposes), but Nibiru’s date of appearance does vary quiet a lot. 2003? 2006? 2009?

    It’s been reported it will appear at 33 degrees from the sun or some such thing — significantly connected to the Masons who, it is surmised, know of its approach.

    Does one need a “sun telescope” to see it now?

    Muchas Gracias, Amigo!

  199. Dude Says:

    stef: i havent built a model so i havent fully visualized it. it is approaching from the south so it slowly becomes visible to the north with time. we can see it now if it werent for the chemtrails.

    i am almost certain that it is a brown dwarf or a planet with an atmosphere that would look like a brown dwarf. the pic on google earth near Orion perfectly fits the description given in the kolbrin egyptian scrolls. says it has many eyes swirling and thats exactly what the google image shows. ms wwt shows a brighter flaming object with dots all over it. three soho images ive seen so far have it moving up and to the right of the sun. im not exactly sure where it is but i guarantee you it is behind the chemtrails.

    the other years were arranged hoaxes like y2k for just this reason. they can say “it didnt happen then so its not gonna happen now”.

    Another way you can know it is now is because Russia is about to destroy us and the bible says that the war will be 2 years before the earthquakes. this 2 years is stated with three time spans in various books of the Bible but its very clear that the war will be on 10-10-09 and Nibiru will cause the biggest quakes since man has been on the earth, erupt Yellowstone and end the war.

  200. Dude Says:

    basically God says we’re evil and Hes gonna destroy us with the nations gathered on 10-10-09, for His people to come out of her or die, and when the job is done Hes sending Nibiru to wipe out the invaders and say gtfo of His country. he says whoevers left will be very humble, Godlike and we will break up our images and follow His laws. After we rebuild His temple, approx 70 yrs, hes coming back and heal the land with His New Jerusalem that will DESCEND FROM THE HEAVENS and send His angels (non humans from the heavens = aliens) to gather the remnants of the prisoners of His people (us) and bring us home to jerUSAlem.

  201. ericswan Says:

    When I think back about 50 years I remember joy. It was exciting to be alive. I wonder if kids feel that way anymore. I remember being bored and looking for something to do. That would usually mean looking for someone to play with.

    This site reminds me of just such a scenario. Coming out to play and let’s hope no one has to go home early with a bloody nose.

    You guessed it Clark. I have a telescope.

  202. stef Says:

    Dude, I’m planning to ask questions about NIbiru at the astronomy club I’ve just joined. Bet you there are lots of folks out there looking for it, on the QT, eh?

    I’ve always felt vindication to be far sweeter than revenge.

    Too bad it’ll come at such a terrible price.

    See ya!

  203. stef Says:

    Can anyone tell me what the flying flaming goose surrounded by musical notes on Google’s front page means?

    I’d appreciate it.

  204. Dude Says:

    means google is a bunch of flaming fags flying off to sing like a bird and give all your data to the feds?

  205. stef Says:

    Ha ha! Yeah, Dude, funny. Who cares anyway, right?

    Say Eric, what kind of telescope do you use?

    I’ve been reading the instruction pamphlet and I’ve been hours on the Internet and let me tell you, it’s no walk in the park! Dials and gadgets and meridian flips etc.

    How long have you been astronoming? Ha. Do you think my joining a club will be useful? If it’s the least bit fun, I’ll take it. Not much to laugh about these days, save for Dude’s witty remarks.

    Let me know, I can really use some help with this big fella.


  206. stef Says:

    Eric, please re-post that Hitler Secret Book.

    I put it in favs and I went to copy it to documents — Poof!

    A warning comes up says “error something something.’

    Has it been removed? Do you have another?

    Can’t find another copy of it anywhere.

    I’d really appreciate it.


  207. clark Says:

    Today I expected it to white out, but it didn’t. Mostly cloudy, with rippled white clouds – the ones with white lines evenly spaced, just like a series of ripples in the water, created an almost 3-D effect.

    Dude Says: im 40 and ive yet to meet one who doesn’t like some kind of drama.

    HAHA that was funny, I’m 41, and I’ve met plenty of them that don’t, some that even chop wood and fix cars.

    Earlier, the planet or satellite I saw off the dippers handle, I made a mistake, it was not North, but rather South of the dippers handle (a good telescope target?) I saw it again tonight. Same deal. I still think it is just my eyes, but who knows.

    “after two years of trying to educate idiots” I would think a person would have boatloads of patience. But, patience does wear down.

    ericswan Says: Coming out to play and let’s hope no one has to go home early with a bloody nose.

    THAT was funny, and so very true.

  208. Celline Says:

    The strangest thing happened today. My german company is here.. and our skies are crystal clear.. w. not a spot in it.
    And I wanted to show them, what is being done to us… need I say more than” I think the Devil himself cleared the skies today.. so I would feel like an idiot ?”
    Well, they are going to Vegas tomorrow, and will be back for a few days… I will keep trusting the Lord, to make happen whatever is Best in His eyes.
    I do believe with all of my heart.. that sinister powers are at work here.
    so long and goodbye,

  209. ericswan Says:

    Celline..chemtrails are covert and they want to keep it that way.

    January 24th, 2009

    The ultimate challenge is to shape the common concern of most countries and all major ones regarding the economic crisis, together with a common fear of jihadist terrorism, into a strategy reinforced by the realisation that the new issues like proliferation, energy and climate change permit no national or regional solution.

    —Henry Kissinger: The World Must Forge a New Order or Retreat to Chaos

    I bought my telescope at a yardsale. Hehe. I think it works but haven’t given it a test drive. As for astronomy groups, prolly the only way to go.

    As I indicated above, they like to keep things completely under wraps. The powers that be have deleted Hitler’s other book which is the first time I have experienced a deleting a http://www.scribd.com unless the author had requested it. I think I have a copy. My email address is attached to my blog.

  210. ericswan Says:

    For the cynics who think space travel is gravity and space/time dependent (as we know it), please be assured that you and me don’t know the half of it. And they don’t want you to know anything. You might raise expectations and kids might live to see other planets.

    Click to access 0701091.pdf

  211. Dude Says:

    eric: check piratebay for the book youre looking for. those sites like scribd will remove copyrighted material which is why i havent posted jonathan grays books to docstoc. that pdf you posted there is interesting but will take me a little time to figure it out. i havent hit the math that hard for quite a few years.

  212. stef Says:

    Where is your e-mail, Eric?

    Can’t find it. I should have printed that book when I had the chance…damn! Should the day ever dawn when “the powers that be” get dragged out butt-nak’d unto the public square, my pitchfork and I will be front row center!

    It’s raining nails following yesterday’s full spray day, I must buy another keyboard, agh! I’m in a foul mood.

  213. ericswan Says:

    Hey Stef..we don’t have that kind of time. Here’s the scoop..


    be forewarned..no mention of Planet X and no mention of the bible. Just straight goods science.

  214. Dude Says:

    projectcamelot knows about Nibiru. Look at their tunnel-diggin machine page. project camelot knows about Russia and the NWO destroying America too, look up their interview with george green on youtube.

  215. Dude Says:

    nice link eric. i like the lanl page referenced there: http://lanl.arxiv.org

  216. Dude Says:

    wow, henry deacon just flat out lied about the purpose of chemtrails in that project camelot interview.

  217. stef Says:

    Fine, Eric. No time, gotcha.

    ” I don’t intend to reveal any information that in my judgment is both classified and specific to national security.”

    Meaning: I intend to feed you bullcrap and folderol.

    “National security” my ass! The ENEMY IS WITHIN! Meaning Israhell, America’s genocidal, every whiny buddy, but its real master. Hence, National Fuckin’ Security is just one more in an endless stream of meaningless catch phrases! It’s a sinister cosmic joke, I tell you!

    What would be GOOD and SALUTARY for National S is for this Henry Deacon fellow, and every other AL-CIADA/FBI/MOSSAD etc. “informant,” and others of his mange-infested hyena pack, to go out and yell from the rooftops precisely what IS “classified and specific to N.S!”

    “[…] please be assured that you and me don’t know the half of it. And they don’t want you to know anything.” Wasn’t it I said that earlier? So you changed the words…it’s the same message.

    “Straight goods science?” Eric, did you not e_press powerful doubts about the validity of what “they” choose to tell us! Whatever science they possess is NOT for public consumption, besides which it is surely well beyond our ken.

    I’m with you Dude, let the war begin…

    911 USrael

  218. Dude Says:

    the elite are planning this war. i dont wanna be in a war. im getting that movie he said was true right now.

  219. ericswan Says:

    I know most of you don’t have time to play games but this is important. I was looking up a site about internet censorship and the story is censored. I think MSN is wired. What do you think?


    Be prepared. Seconds after arriving at this website, it disappears but some content gets through.

  220. stef Says:

    My war remark, Dude, was meant in jest. Of course, you don’t “wanna be in a war.” Of course, you didn’t plan it, guy, I know that.

    You don’t have the kind of stamina, energy, determination, focus, malevolence it requires to plan a war… or any other remotely strenous activity, man, I know that…toke, toke, cough, cough… ahhhhh…where were wer?

    Ah! yes…: You need popcorn to go with that movie, Dude!

    And now, ladies&gentlemen, Dude, the man who spoke at great length, sparing no words, denouncing the perils, yea verily, the damnation! comes from watching the accursed “moving+ speaking” images, will sit and watch a movie. Ta-da!

    “Ii try to avoid images now but i have the same ones most people have but theyre going away.”

    Yeah, Dude, they’re all going away, far away, fading fast…

    911TruthNOW (USrael)

  221. Dude Says:

    you funny stef. ill watch something to learn but not on a tv with a 60hz refresh rate. i dont appreciate the jab at the good herb either. Much of the technology you use now was developed by stoners. and yes, on 10-10-09 ALL the images will be destroyed.

  222. clark Says:

    Celline Says: The strangest thing happened today. My german company is here.. and our skies are crystal clear.. w. not a spot in it.

    That kind of thing happens, in other areas too, don’t you know. Broken things work when you’re trying to show others what’s broken, and work well when you’re trying to show others how they are broken. I posted on other websites before and told people to go out and look up, it got clear out real quick. It’s like getting skunked.

    stef Says: …It’s raining nails following yesterday’s full spray day,

    Last nite and today, same thing here, huge drops of rain, with thunder.

    stef Says: …Eric, did you not e_press powerful doubts about the …

    BuST me up laughing, that keyboard of yours, like you got a missing front toof or something.

    We got some relatively clear skys this evening, if it holds, perhaps I will go out for a drive later and see if I can see the Southern sky. One way or the other, I’d like to know.

  223. clark Says:

    Humidity can have the same effect as clouds when it comes to visibility. I couldn’t see anything, it was super humid, like August.

  224. stef Says:

    Clark: E_ACTLY!

  225. Ursa Major Says:

    This is for Clark (because you asked). The link to my pictures. This is a fraction of what I have, but I chose to make one folder with the most convincing ones, for ease of showing to others.

  226. Ursa Major Says:

    Oops, here is the link: http://cid-f399739f694ae2de.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Chemtrails%20from%20Feb.%2025th%20to%20present

  227. ericswan Says:

    My email is public in my profile which is associated with my blog which is associated with my “name”.

    I did a doc search and couldn’t find Hitler’s second book.

    I wonder if I retitled as the original was in German. Basically, a non-Nazi economic diatribe with Germany’s take on the exact same scenario we face with the NWO. That would be the take over by criminal means of the economy by international bankers.

  228. Anonymous Says:

    well i just kinda got threatened with a youtube account named FederalNetAgency with a msg that resembled an ip trace. i think its bs cause if the feds really wanted me, they wouldnt msg me, theyd show up with tons-o-guns. Regardless, it speaks volumes as ive only been promoting my doc and the fact that Nibiru is real. if im disappeared or suicided, remember me.

  229. clark Says:

    I’ve gotten a similar message recently Dude.
    I read this once somewhere:
    If I’m away from home, I didn’t resist.
    If I’m at home, they didn’t have their papers.

    (Thanks Ursa.)

  230. Dude Says:

    haha, he came back with a patriot act code reference (18 USC SEC 2331). my doomsaying doesnt fit…..even though its true. I wont stop. God didnt reveal the truth to me for me to shut up. I never been one to shut up anyway. I punched holes all in that one. awaiting a reply.

  231. stef Says:

    Fantastic pictures, Ursa! I stopped taking video/photos of them a while back, but I do appreciate yours very much. Have you seen the circular chems, the snake-shaped chems?

    I’m sure when you do, Ursa, you’ll snap them up. These chem shapes possess an occult significance and purpose …to them. Check into it.

    We shall remember the Dude.

    $$ later–new keyboard. Too lazy to switch from the toofless one. Sounding like an inbred moron has its fun side.

    I’ve joined an astronomy club, registered for a course on North-American Native Art at the university, seriously thinking of getting into astrophotography as well as investing in a sunscope….

    So many things, so little time…

    And Ursa, again, great work.

    911= USrael

  232. Ursa Major Says:

    Thanks, Stef, Eric and Clark. No, I have never seen the circular chems before, but will definitely take pics if I do.

  233. stef Says:

    Three solid days of grey skies and intermittent rain.

    I fear we shall never see the sun again. If that’s what they intended, then they have succeeded.

    Two great documentaries:



    Both are 8 or so hours long, packed with info, and perfect for these endless rainy days.

    Adios muchachos,

  234. ericswan Says:

    I was a teenager when Kennedy was assassinated. I was a teenager when man landed on the moon. Those were the days. The formative years and still the truth is out of this world.

  235. ericswan Says:

    I think chemtrails are evolving and it’s because of the work many of us have been doing for years. I have pics where jets would lay down their crap side my side. When that hit the web, they stopped allowing their cowboys to carry on that sort of in your face. One thing that bothers me is the round rainbow around the sun. That usually indicates a complete disregard for the health and safety of all concerned. It looks like a fuel spill on a pristine lake to me.

  236. stef Says:

    Did man really land on the moon?

    As for the chems, they used to inflict their “cocktails” on us by flying one over the other. Ever seen those?

    The days of rainbow coronas are frequent, it’s true. 7 days in row and its game over? Almost there.

    Check out this chem video on Rense:

    “Chemtrails Outrage Florence, OR Residents.”

    Listen to the video guy’s BRAINDEAD BOVINE “GIRLFRIEND” and Eugenics starts to make sense. Ha!


  237. susan Says:

    Hi, I’m new to this site, but wanted to try to push the conversation more towards weather modification and geo-engineering. I live in the mountains in France, and we have had chemtrails for a few years now, followed by the rain. But I’ve read elsewhere that TPTB are spraying silver iodide to try to cloud seed, and more recently sulphur dioxide, to try to bring about global dimming, as the sun is too hot when it does get through. The authorities really are worried about water, or the lack of it, for our cities, our agriculture, etc. Anyone else any comments on the science?

  238. Celline Says:

    hello Susan, nice to have you here.
    What you are seeing, is not only cloud seeding, but chemtrails.
    Please describe exactly what it is you see. Is it anything like on Ursula’s links ? Please look at them?!
    These have nothing to do w. dimming, yet another rather sinister reason.
    Watershortage is proclaimed here also, it seems worldwide.. and a total lie.. a NWO lie. Think: we all need water.. so if prices go up.. who profits ?
    Please look through U’s pictures, ok?

  239. clark Says:

    From Wikipedia:
    Sulfur dioxide …. is [often] made when sulfur combines with oxygen.
    Sulfur dioxide is also a good reductant. In the presence of water, sulfur dioxide is able to decolorize substances.
    Sulfur dioxide blocks nerve signals from the pulmonary stretch receptors (PSR’s) and abolishes the Hering-Breuer inflation reflex.
    Sulfur dioxide is a versatile inert solvent that has been widely used for dissolving highly oxidizing salts.
    Sulfur dioxide is an allergen to which some consumers are sensitive. SO2 is associated with increased respiratory symptoms and disease, difficulty in breathing, and premature death.
    Hering-Breuer deflation reflex – Early physiologists believed the reflex played a major role in establishing the rate and depth of breathing in humans.

    So, they dump pure sulfur, which combines with the oxygen in the air to produce sulfur dioxide. The sulfur dioxide helps to reduce the visibility of the other compounds in chemtrails while making it hard to breathe, thus having to keep the windows open at night and throughout the day that some have experienced possibly even leading to early death for the old and the weak. Sulfur is yellow, it probably turns yellow-green from algae growth due to sitting in huge tubs in some warehouse somewhere waiting to be used, and/or from other substances mixed in such as a type of bromide to keep the compound from separating and/or from reacting to the sewage water used as a base for delivery. One part of the compound could be silver iodide, a fast ion conductor making it perfect for use as a charge carrier (HAARP) and as a chemical sensor (missile shield?). Not to mention all the fungus, molds, bacterias and viruses floating around the liquid.

    There is a lot in Wikipedia about cloud seeding and chemtrails, like this:
    In Moscow, the Russian Airforce tried seeding clouds with bags of cement on Jun 17, 2008. One of the bags did not pulverize and went through the roof of a house.
    How cloud seeding works – …The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, is increasing in popularity…

    Recently, here, we had puffs of yellow-green powder coat everything, probably due to the sulfur not pulverizing as finely as required to avoid reaching the ground in a solid state, much like the cement.

    The sulfur dioxide is used to dissolve the salt used for cloud seeding, among other uses.

    Weather wars, mind control via L.O.V. attack, population control, missile control, fungus control, and visibility control… all rolled into one application, guaranteed to increase the profits and power of those who are in the know and king of the hill.

    When the sun does get through here, it seems as hot as it ever was, nothing abnormal. Too much water here. Today is another day of an all white sky. White skys at day -oh ho…

  240. Ursa Major Says:

    Hi Susan,

    When you read through what Clark posted, you can see that the ‘cloud seeding’ (is that the explanation they give you in France?) is anything but harmless to humans (or animals, birds, bees etc.). Not to mention the fact that interfering with weather is a bad idea.

    Some parts of the world where they try weather control, they are having droughts now, and in other parts they have storms, hurricanes, floods and unusually heavy rainfall.

    In case you didn’t see it, here is the link to my pictures again, so you can compare them with what you see.

    The explanation of trying to help with global warming (which there is no evidence for) is just a lie to get us to believe that what they do is not sinister, but helpful to us.

    I am one of those people who is having trouble breathing, and it is getting worse. I started out with asthma in February (when chemtrails were starting to get really bad here), and in the meantime it is chronic bronchitis.

  241. clark Says:

    Weather wars, mind control via L.O.V. attack, population control, missile control, fungus control, and visibility control…
    I forgot pollution control, when we do have a blue sky, we have THE clearist sky.

    Some unusual weather descriptions throughtout the US in the first couple of posts on this blog: http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=5490

  242. Dude Says:

    Update: no reply from the fed net agency on youtube. Still spreading the word. just got banned on Alex Jones myspace bulletin for talking about Nibiru, chemtrails and the coming extermination of America.

  243. ericswan Says:

    welcome and more here on weather wars..


  244. clark Says:

    This a.m. started out like any other hot and muggy day. Partly cloudy, the light and fluffy kind with chemtrails infrequently being applied above. Then around noon, things got a bit different. The sky cleared up – all the way – and the chemtrails disappeared completely. This lasted until well past nightfall when I stopped looking. I went to an overlook early this evening, and again just an hour ago. In the daytime, with the exception of two fingers width up from the horizon where smog blocked my view – I saw nothing out of the ordinary. The smog seemed new, something I hadn’t noticed in days past. At night, with no moon, the visibility was good, I could see my Southern sky for the first time in I don’t know how long – all of it. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary then either. I’m no astronomy expert, but I know the Big Dipper from the Small. I did see someone who looked like they might want to rob me, so I didn’t stay long. If there is something out there, it looks just like any other star, or perhaps it is like with many other objects in the sky and it’s not visible at certain times, or on certain days. Perhaps whatever they were hiding won’t be visible until 10-10-09, or they weren’t hiding anything at all and chemtrails are simply a weapon of war, a controller of pollution or weather, or a combination of some such. Simply – HA! For some reason, it’s a relief to know they are not flying. Who knows how long that will last and why it would continue? Somebody does.

  245. stef Says:

    You said it Clark.

    What do you people think of this moon bomb they set off, or are about to?

    How enraging is it to think we have absolutely no say on what these GD masonic/Talmudic jew/Luciferians do to us, to our bodies, to our planet, and now even to the moon!

    Bruce Cockburn’s comes to mind:

    “I want to raise every voice — at least I’ve got to try
    Every time I think about it water rises to my eyes.
    Situation desperate, echoes of the victims cry
    If I had a rocket launcher…Some son of a bitch would die!”


  246. ericswan Says:

    Good report Clark.. I think you and maybe one other that posts here might be interested in this report.


  247. stef Says:

    Totally pristine azure sky.

    Not even a whisp of real cloud.

    It won’t last, I know.

    But I’m savoring the moment…

    So long ya’ll.

  248. Ursa Major Says:

    Eric, I have read about these ‘alien’ abductions. One very interesting fact is, that whenever they try to abduct real Christians, and those Christians call on Jesus Christ to save them, the aliens will immediately abort the abduction and flee. Which strongly suggests to me that those ‘aliens’ are demons.

  249. stef Says:


    Geez, it’s like pulling teeth.


  250. clark Says:

    Bomb, bomb, bomb the moon.

    Moon bomb, at first I thought you were kidding, but they really are going to bomb the moon… unreal and a waste of money. I don’t understand their stated aims for the bombing, In the article I read, it said they wanted to see if there were traces of water. I thought they already found swimming pools worth of water up there. I wonder if there is a large chunk of ice buried in the ground up there or an aquifer. They seem to want to colonize the moon pretty badly. It seems like a waste of time, energy and money that would be better spent down here, or not spent at all.

    Day two, clear sky’s, no jets.

    I noticed they are supposedly shutting down a domestic national spying program. I wonder if the jets of chemtrails fits in with that story? Chemtrails as a giant looking glass? I read somewhere that it was possible to use the entirety of the earth as a huge lens so that it was possible to see anywhere on earth at one moment. Was this it?

    patience stef

  251. clark Says:

    It’s all about the money. If only they had to ask us for it first.
    Audit The Fed.

  252. ericswan Says:

    Most of what I read about aliens is that they believe in Jesus as well. Of course, if you finish reading that book you might begin to suspect that the snake in the garden was an alien.

    I’m certain of one thing. There is evil in this world.

  253. Ursa Major Says:

    Eric, yes, they believe in Jesus. Satan believes in Jesus, too. As in knowing fully well who He is, but at the same time hating him, and fearing him.

    You may want to research who abducted humans, especially children, before there was such a thing as science fiction books and movies? I’ll give you a hint, check out abductions by elves, fairies, trolls etc. (ever heard of changelings?).

    So, before people believed in aliens from other planets, they believed in those mythical creatures, and it was them abducting people.

    In either case, it was demons. Since they are not of this dimension, they can make themselves appear as whatever they want to us. And because now people believe in aliens, that’s what works.

  254. ericswan Says:

    A rose by any other name???

  255. ericswan Says:

    I read most of it (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2297538/Conspiracy-Secret-Nazi-Conspiracy-The-Omega-File?autodown=pdf) and the possibility is strong that these machinations of an alien invasion are on a dimensional level which many will never perceive and many will dismiss.

    I can corroborate much of this information from personal experience and intense study and for that reason alone, it’s worth reading.

    But, (Ursa), I’m not convinced that these are flesh and blood aliens.

  256. Ursa Major Says:

    Right, I don’t believe they are ‘flesh and blood’ either, but rather spirit beings (fallen angels), who as I said, can appear in any shape they choose. And they also can appear in solid form if that is what they want to do.

    After Jesus rose from the dead, he was solid enough when he wanted to be, eating with his disciples, but he could also walk through walls and appear and disappear at will. Heaven is in another dimension, we can sometimes feel it, and sometimes see beings from that dimension. But we won’t be able to go there until we have died. Only our spirits will be able to enter there, until we get our new body eventually, when Jesus comes back.

  257. susan Says:

    hi, we’re busy organic farmers here in France, so not much time to read/catch up. Looked at Ursula’s photos, and have seen exactly the same thing here (France). Also travelled last winter and have seen the same in Italy, Austria and UK. The white lines dissipate to form one huge low cloud, completely blocking the sun, and then it gets chilly. But when the sun is out and we have a cloudless day, like yesterday, it is very hot. The wheat has been harvested already, very early, and the cities over here are very low on water, with major rivers low. 80% of France’s energy comes from nuclear power stations, which are situated along the major rivers, as the reactors need cooling. I think they are trying to ‘make rain’ so that there are not major power shortages and civil unrest before they’ve got everything ready. This is not to suggest that there are not also chemicals in those trails, but to try to look for some other reasoning behind what is happening – for it IS happening, even though most people I know are in complete denial, and I have been thought mad ‘listen to yourself’ from my brother! I believe the NWO is being put into place, and police brutality is ramping up very quickly, but they’re not quite ready yet. Also, looks like we’re going to get mandatory ‘flu’ vaccinations here in the autumn, although I am going to refuse. PS If anyone can tell me how to up-load photos, I can put some European chemtrails up! 🙂

  258. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Hi Susan,

    Welcome. Sorry to hear they are chemtrailing you in France as well, but I do think it is good to have documentation of these activities. Maybe eventually more people will realize the truth of what is going on!

    You can’t post pictures here directly due to the limitations of the blog format. What you need to do is get a free picture hosting account (try http://photobucket.com or http://www.flickr.com but there are others as well).

    Once you have your account, you can upload your photos, you can put captions on them, group them by subject, etc.

    Then you can post the link to your photo account here so that everyone can see them.

    Also, I finally got a chance to listen to the Alex Jones interview of David Icke from his 6/15 radio show. Though they just briefly mentioned chemtrails, David stated (as others here have said) that the program is multi-faceted, has several different goals, and in his opinion, the HAARP weapons program is very much intertwined with the chemtrails. They also discussed issues of consciousness and other interesting perspectives. Naturally, just as David would be making a really interesting point, Alex would feel compelled to interrupt him (a habit I find most annoying, although Alex is not as bad as he used to be, he should still learn to LISTEN more when he has a good guest on!)

    At any rate, for those of you interested, you might be able to listen to the interview by searching on YouTube for “David Icke Alex Jones Interview 6/15/09” or just join Alex Jones’ “PrisonPlanet.Tv” and you can get all the shows archives commercial free in mp3 format.



  259. susan Says:


    I’m not the greatest computer whizz-kid, but wanted to share some photos of what I’ve been seeing in Europe. Lovely clear day here today – not a cloud! 🙂

  260. Ursa Major Says:

    Susan, I looked at your pictures, and you’re right, it is just like it is here. Yuck! Good job uploading them. I’ve subscribed to your album, so if you put more pics in, I’ll know right away.

  261. clark Says:

    I saw your pictures too Susan. The US, Canada, Mexico, Italy Austria (all of Europe?) I wonder if there is any place they are not spraying. Because you indicated one shot was of Northern Italy, does that mean Southern Italy is free of chemtrails or is that just because you were only in Northern Italy? I imagine only some areas get sprayed, but all areas get covered.

    Are non-western allied countries doing this too? For some reason I don’t think they are doing this in places like Africa, Asia, Russia, India, Venezuela or Brazil.

    I wonder if the reason they are having such a bad drought in places like parts of South America (and other areas?) is because they do not allow the spraying and the spraying that does take place nearby sucks up (or causes to fall immediately) all the moisture that would normally fall as rain elsewhere?

    They started spraying again here, minimally, after two whole days of not spraying.
    Yesterday was clear blue sky (and very hot, but not exactly abnormal) then clouds rolled in. The clouds at first seemed odd in the same way TV is different when you switch from the old style analog to high definition. The new clouds really contrasted against the bigger darker cloud bank rolling in behind it.

    That moon bombing thing…. Didn’t China land on the moon awhile back? I wonder if the two are connected.

    If they are spraying something over such a wide area of the earth, imagine the size of the infrastructure needed to do so. Trucks, railcars, warehouses, jet airplane bays, laboratories, personnel, housing, food supply for crews. There’s a whole bunch of people who know what is really the purpose of the spraying.
    It’s days like this I feel like I’m one of Pharaohs ignorant unwilling conquered slaves and those who see-nothing-know-nothing-deny-everything-stiff necked-character assassinators are no different than the rat who, in the vain attempt to temporarily forestall some inevitable punishment from being inflicted on everyone due to the freedom seeking efforts of a few, gives away their fellow man trying to escape from a war prison camp or discourages any attempt to do so by belittling and marginalizing any plans to do so. We are all freaking doomed. It’s a good thing life isn’t the do all, be all of everything or this would be a bit depressing. Is this how some Germans felt about what was going on during WWII with regards to the labor camps, et al?

  262. ericswan Says:

    I have never seen anything in south central British Columbia that comes close to the Italy pics that you posted and thank you very much Susan.

    1776..why is it Dude posts a youtube further up the page but pics cannot be posted?

    The sky here is opaque and has been for a week. Hard to say if they are chemtrailing but I suspect that is what glues this cloud cover together.

    It’s very cool out and threatening rain that has come and gone in fits and starts. Our premier Campbell is the first Canadian provincial gov’t to go with THE CARBON TAX which in my household, is an additional 15 to 16 bucks a month on my natural gas bill. We get a 5 cent per litre charge on gas next week which is on top of 1.10 per litre right now. Talk about being gouged. It’s hard not to see what slick oil is doing to the world.

    It is interesting Susan, how many organic gardeners/farmers seem to have a higher awareness of what is going on above them.

  263. susan Says:

    Thanks Ursa and Clark for your messages – you can add France and UK to those countries too, I’ll take some pictures of above my house next time that they do it here. When I see them in UK my family just say it’s normal contrails, because it’s such a small country and many many flights, but I can tell the difference!

    You are right about the infrastructure: it’s a huge undertaking and someone must smell a rat? We have a small airport near here which I keep meaning to go into when I’m in town, to talk to some of the light-aircraft pilots.

    There is a small association in Toulouse, my nearest city, where they justify cloud-seeding by saying it’s to prevent hail-stones ruining the crops. It’s true that we used to get hail storms but lately just lots of heavy rain, after the spraying. I signed up to their newsletter, they’re called ANELFA’ for those that read French, and they notify days when spraying occurs.

    I have a friend in Africa – I’ll ask him whether it happens there. I’m 100% positive that the freak weather of droughts/floods etc are because we are messing with something we don’t understand.

  264. Celline Says:

    Hi Susan, thanx so much for the pictures. They are identical to what it looks like here, California.
    Our watershortage is so bad.. we can flush our toilets once a day.. water the yard once a week, laundry ditto ! This is blackmail and money maker.. for ” them” !
    In our case here… when a storm moves in, they lay the chemtrails in front of the storm, and then not ONE drop falls ! Nothing ! My German company sais :” Hmm.. those are just clouds ” ! In total denial.
    My daughter has a strange bunch of dark lines on her arms, that won’t go away.. she needs to see a dermi.. but I think it is a fungus.. caused by the chems. She too.. does not believe in chems !!
    Lately, the way they spray is diffcerent. From the West.. they stream in.. ” cute little puffy cottonball clouds ” move in.. then spread out and become a brownish haze. If you don’t know what you are looking for.. you would think, that those are clouds. In june.. we have Ocean overcasts.. but NEVER clouds of any kind. Yet.. now we have them, and I know they are fake. This is ongoing 24/7.
    This BILL : 1388 is another scary thing.. because it is no longer voluntary, yet mandatory.. and no churchgoing permitted… no religious teaching…. etc. not even to talk about God.. is permitted. Look it up.
    We are up a creek w. no paddle. Mandatory injections? I heard about those also.. and will refuse, I just hope my children stay strong.
    Thank you for all info.. people ! Those Mandetory injections.. Hitler did to the Germans….. those ” Importet Nazis”, came here after WW2 and continued their ” research ” here.. especially in ” Neu Schwabenland ” at the SouthPole… another worthwhile research-point.
    What to do ? Americans are peacefully asleep, they never had fear or heartache or war to deal with. It is impossible to wake them up.
    I just lost a dear friendship because I tried to tell her, what’s going on.
    Known her for 10 years.. she blocks my mail now.
    That’s about the average picture.. of the average American’s state of mind. Exactly what ” they” were hoping for, blissful ignorance.
    ” The big secrets do not need protection, because of the incredulity of the people !” Don’t remember who said that.. but it’s so true !

  265. Ursa Major Says:

    Clark, I have seen chemtrail pictures from Croatia, Bulgaria, really, any country that is connected to NATO. I don’t know about Russia and Africa, but I’ll so a Google search to see what will come up.

    I asked one of my brothers (he is in Hamburg, Germany) the other day what he thinks about chemtrails. And he says that they are doing the same thing in Germany, but most people don’t want to know and are in denial. Sounds familiar, of course.

    We have chems every morning now, but by the afternoon they are gone. It is extremely hot (34 degrees Celsius, or 93.2 degrees Fahrenheit) and dreadfully humid here (which really is normal for this time of year, and I’ll never get used to it), and by now the sky is blue. Not as deep blue as it should be, though, I bet there is enough of the chem stuff in the atmosphere to make the sky look kind of washed out.

    I am updating my pictures on the skydrive every day, or I am trying to, anyway. I added pictures from yesterday, and I am going to put today’s pics up right now. So, if any of you check them in about 30 minutes, they should be there.

    The chems are changing. If you go through my pics starting from February, you’ll see that they don’t look the same now as they did even a month or two ago.

  266. stef Says:

    Celline: Those are clouds! Chems are not clouds, don’t look remotely like clouds…you see puffs they are clouds, you dumb, dumb arsehole.

    Hitler did nothing to the Germans, the JEWS in power did!

    You are such a bore and a nitwit, words do not suffice.

    Agh! Fugget abou’ it.

    911= USrael

  267. Celline Says:

    @stef.. the arse is you, I have had enough of you ( so do others )
    You are ruining this formerly excellent blog, and no matter what you spout, I will never respond to you anymore.. for me.. you are out.
    I know u don’t care.. but this works both ways.
    You are a mean and ugly person, and I want nothing to do w. what u say.
    Keep your judgements about me to yourself, I do not blog to airheads.
    But.. I will not quit the blog, because of one mean arse.

  268. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, if anybody is stupid, it is you. By now, they are able to make a lot of chems look like clouds, and people who haven’t been watching the chemtrails from the start, wouldn’t know the difference for the most part.

    By the way, why is your avatar different? Are you on a different computer, or are you somebody else claiming to be you?

    And actually, a lot of the time now, I get puffs, too. They spread rapidly and will cover a wide area pretty quickly. If you want to get confirmation that those puffs are now happening, go to http://www.bluenomore.com/ , click on ‘new’, and you will find that Carl is saying that he gets puffs, too.

    I saw new chemtrails and puffs appearing today without seeing any airplanes at all! It is getting more spooky, I wonder how they do it.

    What the heck is your problem anyway, Stef? Don’t you know anything about having some respect for others, but especially older people? Celline is 75 years old, and is one of the very few older people who even give a damn about chems and other conspiracies.

    You are as ill behaved as a rotten teenager. I know you are much older than that, so how about acting your age, instead of your shoe-size?

  269. Celline Says:

    @Uschi, Thank you ;o)
    Yes, about the “Puffs ” infact, that’s all we have right now. The multiply right over your head w.out a plane being anywhere !
    Rapidly from 1 tiny one.. to hundreds of bigger ones.. and they look like clouds.. but like I said.. they appear out of nowhere. God knows how they do this, but I have a clue.
    Out of sight.. over the ocean ( that’s where they come from ) they release ” particles” that move westward.. and develope into what is visible, way after they were expelled. But then.. they multiply.. but with today’s technique.. no surprise here.

  270. Celline Says:

    Uschi.. stef could be a Shill, beware !

  271. Celline Says:

    .. and another thing that would be typical for Shills, they HATE Christians w. a vengance ! So.. by their fruit will u know them.

  272. Ursa Major Says:

    Celline, you may be right about Stef being a shill.

    I just finished putting today’s chemtrail pics up on my skydrive. Have a look, here is the url again:


  273. Ursa Major Says:

    Of course, Stef could just be a low-life troll. Trolls like to cause strife and insult people in forums and blogs, just to start an argument and disrupt things. The more upset people will get, the happier they are.

  274. ericswan Says:

    JFK is assassinated and the killer was right in front of us all this time.

  275. Celline Says:

    Thank you Uschi and Eric.. will check out both immediately.
    @U, so true about ” Trolls ” 😉

  276. Celline Says:

    @eric: The writing not ledgible to me.. maybe u can explain.. ?

  277. Celline Says:

    @ U : Fantastic work, those pics, thank you, they will go into my faves to show the German ! Overall.. exactly like here, even a few of those ” Schaefchen-Woelkchen, to those Heavy Wavy ones.. that look like the ocean in motion. Yes.. we had those also. They are the scariest looking to me. OK, thanx again.. I got them.

  278. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Hello everyone,

    I think the reason that YouTube clips show up and pictures don’t is that WordPress converts the YouTube link into the YouTube player. No content is actually hosted on WordPress, the video is still hosted by YouTube.

    But if anyone can figure out how to actually post pictures in the comments section instead of links to pictures, they are welcome to do it.

    I tried posting a picture in the comments section and could not get it to work. I think it *might* work if the picture is hosted on a site like photobucket and you post the link with the right html code. If someone know how to do that, then feel free to share.

    Finally, Stef, who peed in your Cheerios? You *could* have disagreed by saying “I don’t think those are clouds” or even have shared your insight by saying something like “I don’t think those are clouds because.….”and maybe have furthered the discussion, but posting your disagreement and then launching into vicious name-calling is becoming tiresome to me and to others. You can be informative, and you can be funny. You can even be argumentative if it is on topic. Quit being so nasty. It is not helpful or needed.



  279. Ursa Major Says:

    I couldn’t believe it, that after all the chems this morning, and blue skies this afternoon, we had an all-out chemtrail attack this evening!

    I glanced outside tonight around 8:00 as I was making a phone call, and was shocked to see chemtrails everywhere! No, for the most part not the old, obvious ones. My April 17th pictures were an all-out attack that was glaringly obvious. Chemtrails being put down by visible planes, in crosses and tic-tac-toe patterns.

    That is NOT the way they do it now. They have developed a way to do it in ways that most people wouldn’t notice, unless they keep their eyes on the sky more than on the ground, like me (and yes, I have been in danger of tripping many times, and have to consciously look at the road when driving, as I want to look at the sky instead).

    I saw several commercial planes in their usual paths tonight, too. There were NO contrails at all, the conditions were obviously not conducive to contrails today.

    But I saw several planes putting down chemtrails, that spread amazingly fast. And then I saw many of those crazy ‘puffs’, that will mostly spread into those strange ‘Nike signs’ before spreading further.

    So, I guess I will put a few more pictures into my skydrive folder now, as there were too many I just need to add.

    Thanks Founding Father for your support. I hope it has the desired effect.

    I would try to experiment with putting pictures in here, but the problem is, that before it would work (maybe), it probably wouldn’t a few times, messing up this blog. So, I am hesitant to try (yes, I have taken a beginner’s web-design course, and know a little about these things).

  280. Ursa Major Says:

    Testing, testing! Ignore this post if it doesn’t work, please.

  281. Ursa Major Says:

    shucks, I’ll have to do a little studying, but not tonight any more. Bear with me, I may yet figure it out.

  282. Ursa Major Says:

    Insane chemtrails added from tonight, check it out at http://cid-f399739f694ae2de.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Chemtrails%20from%20Feb.%2025th%20to%20present

  283. Celline Says:

    Uschi.. all of these last pics u took tonight??
    8PM, you still have that much daylight?
    Everything in there, is the same we have here.. but not all those different kinds at the same time ?
    Could u tell.. if all these last pics were taken tonight ? Horrible.. OMG..

  284. stef Says:

    People who run around pointing to tiny airborne water droplets or ice crystals, commonly known as clouds, claiming they are dangerous, poisonous etc. will, in their zeal, undo and discredit the efforts of others to enlighten the comatose on the matter.

    Please, read the following statement and then tell me it’s not indicative of rampant paranoia (or something else?):

    “Yes, about the “Puffs ” infact, that’s all we have right now. The multiply right over your head w.out a plane being anywhere !louds that appear out of nowhere.”

    911= USrael

  285. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Good constructive criticism there with no gratuitous personal attacks. That’s what I like to see!

    I am not, by nature a “touchy-feely, can’t we all just get along” type of person. I have very strong opinions on certain subjects that I try to convey as effectively as I can. But I feel the “truth-movement” – whether it is 9/11 truth, or “chemtrail-truth” or the “Federal Reserve is a bunch of criminals” truth etc. has a hard enough job convincing the sheep without us eating our own.

    And yet, the very nature of the “truthers” means they are people of independent thought, and consequently can sometimes go astray or over-think things. We can all succumb to ideas that are not 100% accurate. A well stated critique (and the reasons for it) is far more productive than a verbal clubbing in sharing enlightenment.


  286. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, if those ‘puffs’ start multiplying on their own, or spread to cover the sky, then you have to agree that they are NOT normal clouds. Last night I saw quite a few of those puffs appear, and behave in strange ways.

    I am NOT saying, that we should show those puffs to uninformed people and claim they are not clouds, as they wouldn’t believe it. It would make me look stupid. But to say it here without being called “dumb, dumb arsehole”, and a “bore and a nitwit”. Even if you THINK of her that way (which is your privilege), you should never say it here. Those are insults, and I can’t imagine you yourself would enjoy being insulted like that.

    Celline, I posted a fraction of the pictures I took last night, it was a tough choice, I wanted to put them all! Yes, our daylight lasts until around 9:00 p.m., at which point you can’t really take pictures any more).

  287. Ursa Major Says:

    I didn’t finish my sentence above (not quite awake yet). I meant to say, “But to say it here without being called……………….. should be safe”.

    Celline, you must remember Hamburg, where in the summer it is light before 5:00 a.m., and doesn’t get dark until 11:00 p.m.? In comparison, our daylight here is short.

    But you are closer than me to the equator, where night and day are the same length, and night comes on much quicker than here.

  288. Dude Says:

    so everyone is still ignoring all the military personnel and government insiders ragarding aliens, and all the vids on youtube filmed by NASA from the shuttle bay showing UFOs.

    This is stupidity. it is identical to the people saying chemtrails dont exist when we all know there is a lot of evidence for them, just like UFOs and aliens.

    There are many many instances in the Bible that refer to aliens and spaceships IF you know what youre reading.

    You all see where China smashed a sub into one of our pull-behind sonar arrays last week? you see the news showing that the economy will collapse and both england and the usa will default on their debts by the end of summer? you see the youtube vid where kissinger says we will attack iran if the cia-backed coup fails?

    Keep on playing with your chemtrails and ignoring everything else. in three months, i promise you all that you will regret not figuring out the big picture of which the chemtrails are just a small symptom.

    also, stef is right about hitler too. the fake jews screwed over germany in both wars and they didnt deserve either war. when ww2 was over, we imported all the nazi war criminals and put them in power here and we are about to reap the same thing as germany did in ww2 only 10 times worse.

    Anyone read ezekiel and amos yet?

  289. ericswan Says:

    Ben Bernanke is on the Canadian bidness channel and as luck would have it, his lame excuses have frozen the screen.

    Dude..STEF..be nice. visit that posted website above..

    I watched Stanley Kubrick’s “Dr. Strangelove” last night. What a revelation! For something from 1964, it truly is revealing. Some of you might remember that a General Jack Ripper launched a nuclear attack on Russia then barricaded himself in the silo against American military who were trying to abort this attack by this renegade general. The premise that Jack Ripper used for the attack was the introduction (since 1946) by the Communists of flouride into the water, the food supply and even the white flour.

  290. stef Says:

    Kissinger: “By September we’ll have confiscated all privately owned guns so it really doesn’t matter what we do, we’ll still be in charge”.

    “Emerging economies emergency meeting in Russia. US asked to be invited, was denied.”

    Shouldn’t have to explain the obvious, eh, Dude?

    The ladies will be giving chems pet names soon, I bet.

    “Go, shut yourself up in your house.” (Ezek 3:24)

    Given the way I feel towards people (real ones) lately– sounds like a splendid idea.

    “How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb” and Paddy Chayevsky’s “Network” amongst innumerable films/books told us how it was and what was coming. We can’t say we weren’t told.

    From one really, really hoarse watchman,


  291. Dude Says:

    eric: which website? i watched the jfk thing. already seen that one but it did a better job of cleaning up the image. I saw the chemtrail pages and i dont want to see them anymore. i see that shit enough outside. today was bad too. seems they lighten up on about 3 days a month and spaced about a month apart but I only have 2 months data so far. i guarantee you there is an astronomical reason for it too. when i build a model ill figure it out if my lazy-ass ever does it.

  292. Dude Says:

    stef: i want the link to that one about the meeting

  293. ericswan Says:

    Check it out Dude.. You need to get past the first couple of pages to see where it’s going..


  294. susan Says:

    I saw elsewhere on this blog about subliminal messages, and sure enough, when I close my computer down, I get the ‘Windows Vista’ screen and there it is: blue background with white stripes of varying thickness…..I also saw the same on the TV in UK, blue backgrounds with white stripes. Still, my tomatoes are doing very well this year 🙂

  295. Celline Says:

    Ocean clouds burned off.. but the Chems remained. The sky is covered with them from Horizon to Horizon. Different looking again..
    Long real wide stripes that are broadening by the minute.
    The News just now called them: cumulous ! What a lie, that’s not what they are at all. Them’s Chemtrails.. every single one of them.
    Our intense sun burns off anything Water….. so those aren’t water.. the sun would have long ago burned them up.

  296. stef Says:

    Dude: TRUTHDIG — the “The American Empire Is Bankrupt.”

    Here it is again: All of creation will breathe a deep sigh of relief the day the USA goes back to being the quiet backwater, cultural swamp it once was.

    That day is here.


  297. clark Says:

    Dude Says: so everyone is still ignoring all the military personnel and government insiders ragarding aliens, and all the vids on youtube filmed by NASA from the shuttle bay showing UFOs.

    I hadn’t heard of that, maybe I missed it before. A link or two would have been helpful. Regardless, we’re not ignoring it, it’s just off topic. So much going on in/on/above/below the world. It’s a bit overwhelming. One thing at a time? But, it’s not like they haven’t overwhelmed and desensitized the public with that type of info for decades.
    I meant to visit your site again, did you put up a comment section on it? That would be a great place to put some of those links.
    I have read much of Ezekiel, it says there are many who will not be killed. Still reading and thinking on that one, so far I’m leaning towards Israel is Israel and not America, but I’m not done reading. Amos…. I hope that is not as depressing.

    I don’t know about you guys, but often my chemtrails slowly drift towards the ground and eventually become clouds and then expand until the sky is covered, completely in many cases. (starting out similar to #260 on Ursa Major’s page)
    I don’t understand exactly how cloud seeding works, it seems like the process must be similar to how fire spreads. The chemtrails here work kind of the same way. I suspect there is more than one way to create clouds with chemtrails, and more than one cloud type that can be created.

    Clouds Are just clouds, it’s just that not all clouds that appear to be, “just clouds” are naturally created clouds, some are man-made. << How's that?

    There are many people who do not think it is possible for man to create a cloud or make it rain… I’m not sure they ever will, even if they were shown how it is done up front and personal.

    Celline Says The sky is covered with them from Horizon to Horizon. Different looking again.. Long real wide stripes that are broadening by the minute.

    That is what I was seeing much of. (wide like #260, but up high like #21) Not so regular these days though. I think they switch where they use substances based on the effects they want to create and the present conditions of the atmosphere and the altitude at which they are applied.

    The other day when I was explaining how a particular sub-set of clouds in front of a storm front moving in looked different, as if from analog TV to digital TV. I wasn't kidding. I don't know how else best to describe it, it was eerie. Perhaps it was due to the chemicals in the clouds and how they reflected light or absorbed different colors of the light spectrum, or how what was in the clouds reacted to what was in the atmosphere? I don’t know.

    I’ve read about false-flag tactics, how they are used to wear down people so they get overwhelmed from information overload and such, and as a result just, “sit under a tree and do nothing.” I’ve found myself walking away from the computer and focusing on other things, that is kind of the same.

  298. clark Says:

    I’m having problems posting.

  299. Celline Says:

    @susan, Oui. every TV screen is blue with irregular white stripes, especially on the ” News ” (owned by the Fed Reserve, which is privately owned ) but every one knows that.

  300. stef Says:

    Discussing Finance, Economics, “Conspiracies” and all manner of Esoterica.

    Why is conspiracy in quotes?

    Eric’s document page 2 or 3:

    “The Americas are the last bastion of freedom on earth.”

    This myth is as ubiquitous as it is false.

    US citizens have been so dumbed-down they could be milked (jew banksters prove it can be done).

    Yet, with near pathological obstinacy, the great unwashed cling to their mantra–we are the best, the richest, the goodest, the freest–even as they nestle into their little tents and cardboard shelters in the shantytowns mushrooming across the usa. (caps no longer apply)

    The world, they believe, has only just begun hating them. Nothing could be further from the truth. The world has always envied them. Again, nothing…

    It’s almost droll to see the level of confusion and hurt on those stupid, fat “american” faces.

    One of the most sadistic jokes ever played on a nation. The bigger they are, the harder they fall…the fall heard ’round the world.


  301. stef Says:

    Eric, why would these ‘grey’s, ‘nordics’ and ‘polka-dotted’ who time-travel to other dimensions and so on, go to all the trouble of doing this, that and the other to accomplish their nefarious goal?

    I’ve read this sort of stuff before and I don’t doubt the shadow government and its military are preparing deep underground cities etc. nor that they have, at their disposal, all manner of “alien” technologiy/weaponry.

    However, “beings” sufficiently advanced to travel here from other galaxies or dimensions would simply, quickly and efficiently stamp us out, perhaps keeping a select few to serve their purposes.

    That the evil in man can be so great, so frightening, so incomprehensible, compels some people to incorporate “aliens” into the mix.

    In any case, we’ll all soon “get” the big picture.

    As an aside: Two “stars” died this week: Farrah Fawcett and Micheal Jackson. I thought her a damn fine actress and he used to make me get up and dance.


  302. foundingfather1776 Says:


    “Conspiracy” is in quotes because it was an attempt to highlight something which is very real and most sheeple automatically assume doesn’t exist.

    It is like doing “air-quotes” with your fingers when talking (but the printed word loses some of the effect). Imagine if I was telling you about the 9/11 attacks and I said “Yeah….“Al-Queda” really hit us hard” *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* (I would hold up my fingers to emphasize “Al Queda” when I said it.

    Sheeple have been brainwashed to think that “Conspiracies” don’t exist, that everything just “happens.”

    I guess I need my own radio show so everyone can hear the sarcasm dripping from my voice when I say “conspiracies can’t be real, our Government LOVES us!”


  303. stef Says:

    Your own radio show? That’s the ticket!

    It’s such a crazy world words such as finance, economics, esoterica, medi-sin, government, name it, deserve to be in quotes, eh?

    With all due respect, this phrase ” most sheeple automatically assume doesn’t exist” needs qualifying. It might read, “Most US citizens, or North American citizens, automatically assume etc.”

    I’ve never met a Frenchman, an Italian, a Greek, a Roumanian etc. who had any doubts about 911. They’ll tell you right up front that it was conspiracy on a grand scale. The idiotic and inexorable belief that conspiracies don’t exist is strictly an American disease.

    Thanks for the explanation (I knew it had to be something like that) and I await the sound of your voice dripping with sarcasm over the airwaves.

    Be well,
    911and whatever comes next.

  304. Ursa Major Says:

    Stef, I agree with you saying only Americans believe that 9/11 was done by Al Quaeda. My brothers in Germany said right from the start that it was an inside job, and none of them had any doubt.

    It took several years for me to KNOW it to be true, all I had to do is to finally look at the evidence (and dismiss the phony government explanations).

    My family here in Canada still chooses to believe the government lies, and refuse to look at the real evidence. It is pathetic and drives me nuts. People here have been brainwashed in the schools to believe everything they are told by the media and the government. Ugh

    One of my brothers just told me that he knew right away that something was mighty fishy with 9/11. He said when he saw on TV that Bush kept right on reading with the children in that school, that didn’t seem right (no kidding). And that Bush ‘knew’ immediately that it was a terrorist act, and not only that, but who had done it, that was too weird to be true.

    Normally, when a crime has been committed, unless you catch the one who committed it in the act, you have to investigate to find the culprit. You don’t have pictures of 19 so-called ‘criminals’ within hours of a huge crime, and know who instigated it ‘from a cave in Afhganistan’. What baloney.

    Anybody who seriously believes that after looking at even a fraction of the existing real evidence WANTS to believe the government crap, because the truth is too horrible for them to believe. It shatters their belief that the US government is this ‘benign’ force.

    My husband still steadfastly wants to believe that Bush is a ‘bible believing Christian’, and is therefore a good man. I am just starting to get him to consider the possibility that he has been conned. That Bush is no more a real Christian than Obama, both are fakes.

  305. stef Says:

    Yup, Ursa, only “americans” have the disease.

    And because of IT, amongst other things, they are (and have always been) the butt of endless ridicule all over the world.

    It must do you good to express your opinions freely here, considering your husband’s stubborness and superficiality.

    With all due respect, Ursa, I generally skip over the parts regarding the brute you married and the rest of your Canadian nitwit family.

    Lucky for them it’s not someone like me they have to contend with ’cause those critters would get a face full of insults and harangues every f***ing day of their useless lives.

    It’s a good thing the Bible is a thick book — your husband could use it to fend off the blows raining on his thick, empty, religious fanatical head.

    Sorry if I offended you. Did not mean to, honestly. It’s just that people who don’t know, or don’t want to know, the score are permanently excluded from my life. Besides, after a couple of rounds with me they desperately seek escape and rarely return.

    Like Carlin said, “Things are far too serious now for me to use gentle tactics.” (I paraphrase)

    Coup d’etats (JFK), conspiracies and False Flags of every kind and description…that is how “governments” make things “happen.”

    I’m listening to George Noory’s 3 hour interview with Richard Gage about 911 (June 2009). The word is getting out…finally.

    Be well,

  306. ericswan Says:

    Stef: The link you referred needs input from folk like Celline but, as you’ve indicated already, Celline already knows everything cause it was written in “the book” and not a jot or tittle can be changed.

    I think we homo sapiens sapiens can’t know what the truth is because we spend all our time competing for food warmth and shelter and no time improving the gene pool by means of proper nutrition, education and common cause.

    Jesus not only didn’t make water into wine; Jesus wouldn’t make water into wine.

    The irony Stef, is that the book was entirely about Germany pre and post WWII. Much of the content was in German.

  307. stef Says:

    One more little thing, Ursa.

    Nota bene: Bush was reading the “Goat” story holding the book upside down. This was, apparently, an occult signal to far-flung members of the “Brotherhood of the Snake” etc. that all was as it should be.

    Goat-like Demon= Azazel/Baphomet etc.:

    The name of a supernatural being mentioned in connection with the ritual of the Day of Atonement (Lev. xvi.). After Satan, for whom he was in some degree a preparation, Azazel enjoys the distinction of being the most mysterious extrahuman character in Jewish sacred literature.

    Everything these Luciferians do has many levels of occult significance.

    People laughed at Bush’s incompetence what with his reading a KID book upside down and so on when, in fact, he was signaling/doing exactly what he was required to do.

    Watch them carefully, for they are demonically clever.

  308. stef Says:

    Eric, ah! yes, Celline’s “book.”

    As for Hitler’s writings, well, it’s my stupid fault for not printing or saving it in my documents.

    I’m not finished reading the document you sent, but I shall.

    “I think we homo sapiens can’t know what the truth is because [….] proper nutrition, education and common cause.”

    Nah! Nutrition has nothing to do with it. Education, yes. We homo sapiens can’t know the truth because we have forgotten, were precisely meant to forget, secret knowledge.

    “They” could NOT do to us what “they” are doing if WE STILL KNEW the mysteries/symbols/mathematics (rules and regulations) of their occult religion/knowledge.

    There is Literature aplenty proposing the theory that we, the “little” people, have been intentionally detached from what was once a collective wisdom and set of beliefs.

    Ponder, if you will, the 52 miles of secret/ancient documents in the Vatican Library…you and I are forbidden to perouse these ancient texts. Why?

    Ignorance, will kill us. Our ignorance and our fear/disgust of all things occult/satanic in nature…time to put the bible down, folks, and pick up the Al Jilwal.

    Be well, and thanks,

  309. ericswan Says:

    Here’s a link to one of those docs in the Vatican that was stolen and revealed here (once again) and a reasonable facsimile as to the need for proper nutrition. We are crystals and when we are in balance, there is light.


  310. stef Says:

    Ursa, Have you searched out info on the occult symbols such as snakes, circles, X’s, grids (ley lines) related to chemtrails?

    Just asking.

  311. stef Says:

    Don’t want to get into an argument over proper nutrition, sort goes into our bodies, Eric. Nothing, or very little, on this planet exists in pristine state. All has been corrupted or poisoned by man with his GMO’s, chems, soya additives, his own excrement and that emitted by a thousand factories, aspartame, fluoride and the stuff of nightmares we know not of. Yet.

    You can plant an acre of land anywhere you like, Eric, grow your own food, adding all manner of nutrients etc. — a chem tanker flies over, executes a few fancy X’s and grids, and your food may look wholesome, may taste wholesome, but it is, nevertheless, toxic. The dirt itself is poisoned.

    The very water falls from the heavens, the water you drink, be it from an expensive water ‘purifier’ or from your lowly tap, is not the water your or my grandparents enjoyed.

    Greenhouse, you say? The same applies in any and all circumstances. Crystals, my jaundiced eye!

    Actually, I trust many of us may be growing stronger, or less affected, building an immunity to various poisons, adapting to our new tainted environment, so to speak.

    What we need is proper nutrition for our brains.

    Clark: I like your “smoking might be good for us” theory as the “gov” seems hell bent on making everyone quit. Reminds me of Woody’s film, “Sleeper.” Perhaps, there’s a grain of truth in there somewhere. You spoke in jest, but I’m checking it out anyway.


  312. stef Says:

    Nuclear fallout, a panoply of illegal weapons Israhell is deploying in Gaza carried on the wind to every corner of the world (here in approx. 14 days) thousands of metric tons of asbestus, molten lead, mercury etc. released on 911, Chernobyl and the list goes on and on.

    Now, Eric, I want you to stop and think. If you can’t do both, then just stop.

    Best regards and no hard feelings, I hope.


  313. Ursa Major Says:

    You guys, the bible is no ‘Celline’s book’, and actually, I believe it, too. Stop ridiculing her, it really bugs me.

    As for my kids not wanting to look at my evidence, the problem is, that my husband has them all believing that I am being deluded by all those ‘conspiracy’ websites I am looking at. He is their dad, and they want to believe that he is a good guy. Unfortunately, I lose in the deal, which is very sad for me.

    Even in order to come here, I have to have something else open to switch to when he comes into the room (and sometimes he’ll sneak up on me, too), or else he will give me a hard time. Fortunately I don’t have to worry right now, because he is on a four day canoe trip.

    As for us knowing all the occult stuff (and maybe practicing it?), that is dangerous stuff. Those guys are all guaranteed to go to hell, I’d prefer not to end up there. While they have their money and power here on earth, in eternity the tables will be turned (if you are a Christian, that is).

    Yes, I have done a lot of research on the occult and know about their symbols. But I had not connected them to the chemtrails specifically.

    As for Bush reading the goat book upside down, no, that has somehow escaped me until now. I do believe that was a not so subtle sign.

  314. ericswan Says:

    June 26, 2009
    Russia’s FSB Reports Pop Icon Michael Jackson Assassinated By CIA

    By: Sorcha Faal,

    FSB sources are reporting to President Medvedev today that American pop icon Michael Jackson was “most assuredly” assassinated by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) after an examination of data transmitted by a Russian Military’s Kosmos 2450 satellite show “conclusively” that immediately prior to the music stars death in Los Angeles an electromagnetic pulse consistent in pattern to EMR weapons looted from the former Soviet Union by the United States was employed at the “exact coordinates” of the rock stars home.

    To the type of technology being perfected by the US Military-Industrial Complex based upon former Soviet Union research used in these kinds of assassinations we can read about as reported by Cheryl Welsh, president, Citizens Against Human Rights Abuse, in her landmark 2001 report “Electromagnetic Radiation (EMR) Weapons: As Powerful As The Atomic Bomb”, and which says:

    “A newly declassified U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency report says- extensive Soviet research into microwaves might lead to methods of causing disoriented human behavior, nerve disorders or even heart attacks…. A copy of the study was provided by the agency to The Associated Press in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act. The Pentagon agency refused to release some portions of the study, saying they remain classified on national security grounds.”

    Even more importantly, since Ms Welsh’s landmark report in 2001, the US has continued perfecting this insidious technology they’ve named Active Denial System (ADS), and as we can read as reported by New Scientist in their 2005 report titled “US Military seeks new non-lethal weapon; the prototype of the phaser?”, and which says:

    “The US military is funding development of a weapon that delivers a bout of excruciating pain from up to 2 kilometres away. Intended for use against rioters, it is meant to leave victims unharmed. But pain researchers are furious that work aimed at controlling pain has been used to develop a weapon. And they fear that the technology will be used for torture.”

    To the ‘final’ employment of these weapons [3rd photo, left] we can also read:

    “In January 2007, Theodore Barna, an assistant deputy undersecretary of defense for advanced systems and concepts told Reuters that “We expect the services to add it to their tool kit. And that could happen as early as 2010”.

    Apparently the military is still unsure about ADS after all the tests. Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne didn’t help clarify the issue when he suggested that the military should use the “pain ray” at crowds in the United States before deploying it in Iraq. It would be hard to imagine that Americans would be feeling okay about trying such weapons on themselves even if they believe they are not lethal.

    Wagner suggested a new nickname for the weapon; the “death ray”, since it’s well-known that exposing mammals to microwaves make them explode. He sent an email all around the U.S. in which he used a live example to prove his theory.”

    To the reason behind the CIA needing to assassinate Michael Jackson, these reports continue, was an out of court settlement the pop icon signed with son of the king of Bahrain, Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa, this past November in London, and which stated, in part, that in exchange for millions of dollars previously lent to Mr. Jackson by the Sheikh, Mr. Jackson would allow his sold-out United Kingdom concerts to be a “platform” for warning the World of a soon to occur mass genocide event.

    Both Michael Jackson and Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa have been long standing supporters of the fearless Austrian investigative journalist, Jane Burgermeister, who is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway, and as we can read:

    “Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America. These actions follow her charges filed in April against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology of Austria for producing contaminated bird flu vaccine, alleging this was a deliberate act to cause and profit from a pandemic.

    In her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.

    Specifically, evidence is presented that the defendants, Barack Obama, President of the U.S, David Nabarro, UN System Coordinator for Influenza, Margaret Chan, Director-General of WHO, Kathleen Sibelius, Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services, Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Department of Homeland Security, David de Rotschild, banker, David Rockefeller, banker, George Soros, banker, Werner Faymann, Chancellor of Austria, and Alois Stoger, Austrian Health Minister, among others, are part of this international corporate criminal syndicate which has developed, produced, stockpiled and employed biological weapons to eliminate the population of the U.S. and other countries for financial and political gain.

    The charges contend that these defendants conspired with each other and others to devise, fund and participate in the final phase of the implementation of a covert international bioweapons program involving the pharmaceutical companies Baxter and Novartis. They did this by bioengineering and then releasing lethal biological agents, specifically the “bird flu” virus and the “swine flu virus” in order to have a pretext to implement a forced mass vaccination program which would be the means of administering a toxic biological agent to cause death and injury to the people of the U.S. This action is in direct violation of the Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act.”

  315. ericswan Says:

    If you think 3,000 people could be pulverized and liquified with technology we can only guess at, what in this world, prevents this self same entity from changing the word of God?

  316. ericswan Says:

    We all have a past and some of us have been around a long time.


  317. ericswan Says:

    Stef..don’t give up on Mother Earth. She has given us gifts that no man can undo.


  318. stef Says:

    Ah! Conspiracy… and rumours of conspiracy. Jackson microwaved by the CIA. This one Amer, Amer, America can latch on to. 911 = 0. Jackson = 1.

    Perhaps, the pantheon of other “idols” is gettin’ antsy they might be next?

    Didn’t Mickey’s troubles begin around 1993, afterwhich he released his controversial song, “They Don’t Care About Us!”

    “Both Michael Jackson and Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa have been [,,,,] Jane Burgermeister, who is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway.

    So he was on to something, was aiming to announce it to the world; hence, he was vaporized.

    Ursa, your life is tragedy writ large. Don’t embarass youself any further regaling us with tales of Papa Bear and the wicked Stepsisters. Disneyworld beckons, Ursa, go to it.

    Plus I didn’t say practice the occult arts, I said learn about them so you might better equipped to foresee what could happen or to interpret what has happened. Upside down books and all.

    And don’t you worry about going to hell, Ursa, you’re already there.

    Thanks Eric, very, very, innerestin’

    Geez, the plot thickens.
    911to be continued

  319. stef Says:

    Actually, All of us may already be there.

  320. ericswan Says:

    One last thing to say here…project camelot vids of Gordon Novell, Dr. Farrell and Jim Marrs would be better for you than any consumption of TV. Bookmark for future reference and come back when you have an open mind.


  321. susan Says:

    …a couple of things: 99% of the British population also believe the Govt story about 911, so not just Americans.

    there will be a lot of resistance in France to the mandatory ‘flu’ vaccines, so hopefully we’ll have another revolution.

    Re the Michael Jackson thing: sounds feasible, and I recall seeing video of 1000s of coffins lined up out in Texas somewhere, ready for some sort of pandemic.

  322. Ursa Major Says:

    Susan, I saw the video/pictures of all those plastic coffins, too. They must have manufactured them for something other than your normal, ordinary deaths. Something big.

    It could be a war, or a pandemic they’ll make happen. Or just plain getting rid of all the troublemakers (which includes all Christians, I am sure).

    I am afraid there won’t be too much resistance here in Canada or the States to forced vaccinations. Heck, even without being forced the sheeple line up every year by the thousands to get their annual flu vaccinations! If they would do their research first, they’d realize that they are killing their immune systems, not to mention making sure they get Alzheimers.

    I guess the British watch a lot of the same news, their government is too connected to the US and Canadian governments, too. The rest of Europe somehow thinks differently (I’ve found a big difference when coming from Germany thirty years ago), and a lot of them hate the United States (not Canada, though). So, they’d be very critical of anything the US government says.

    I am a little skeptical of Michael Jackson being killed for knowing too much and wanting to blow the whistle. The man was insane, not to mention a pedophile and being VERY unhealthy. He had plenty to hide, never mind blowing the whistle on anybody. I am surprised he lived as long as he did, it was his time to go (and good riddance, too).

    That is not to say that I don’t believe they can kill people like that with those electromagnetic waves. I’ve done some research on that, and they can control people’s minds with those, as well as kill and/or torture. That is a terrible weapon, I seriously wonder if it is possible to resist under its influence or do whatever they want. They say it isn’t possible to resist, especially because you don’t know it is happening, I guess.

  323. Celline Says:

    @U, I read the same thing.. and I think, Michael was done in.
    But as in all the other ” mysteries ” ( AnnaNicole, JFK,9/11. etc etc )
    Nothing will come of it. Those in power will keep the lid on, where they want to.
    As to ” we can’t resist, because we don’t know it’s happening”, I rely on God.. who will see after His own, surely. Without this hope, knowledge.
    there’s nothing but despair. I have total faith in the ” Word ” !
    I know how unpopular this attitude is, but in the end… God wins ( already has 2000 years ago ),and : the Prince of the Power of the Air.. is a defeated foe.

  324. stef Says:

    Britain is the capital of cocaine + its a full-fledged police state.

    The Brits will think + say what they’re told to and LIKE IT!

    Uh, MJ was all those nasty things? Who told you? The piss-stream media?

    Nothing odd or suspitious about the press’ unrelenting attacks? You think they went at him like a pack of hyenas on a carcass ’cause they were after the truth?


    His song: “The Don’t Care About Us” sure hit the nail on the head, I’d say.


  325. susan Says:

    Blimey! Just watched the (prison version) of MJ’s They dn’t care – never seen it or heard it before, but it sure seemed to me like he was trying to get a message out. I don’t hear/wach the MSM, but have always been mighty suspicious of the press attacking someone non-stop, and throwing all sorts of accusations at them. Easier to dehumanise them and get the masses not taking anything they say seriously. Very powerful imagery in video.

    UK and USA now Police States.

    Where do you live Stef? You sure are one angry dude! But then so am I, I just show it by growing healthy food and proecting the environment. I wouldn’t want to be living in a city in the next twelve months.

  326. Carol Says:

    Hi all
    Nice to read here. I have been sent here by a friend.
    Chemtrails are ALL OVER THE GLOBE.
    It is incredible. Thousands and thousands of witnesses, blogs, webs, videos. You name it. Hw long this conspiracy of silence will go on.
    How come nobody seems to work to alert the main population. I am living in Denmark and I tell you chemtrails are all over nearly every single day.
    What can we do about this really? I have sent mail to danish weather institute but of course getting a simple denial answer. I even sent them copies of articles, photos and more….
    In France chemtrails are all over. There are everywhere making a soup of our skies. The new generation won’t know how a real blue sky looks like.

    What can we do? Make a petition worlwide? Collect our force? We must be maybe 100 of thousands today concerned about this subject. Do you have a good idea?

  327. stef Says:

    Susan, I think it was Gore Vidal said it was rage kept him going and he’s in his 80’s. At this rate of rage I’ll live to be 1,000. Ha! Vidal’s one of my favourite NO BS historians and a vitriolic critic of the world as it is today.

    I too am an avid gardener. As for “protecting the environment” I’ve said enuf ’bout dat.

    Who amongst us still believes what the media tells us, has ever told us, after WACO? Oh, yeah, Ursa does.

    Anyway, Susan, it’s nice to have a perceptive, angry woman on board, welcome. I live in Quebec.

    Hi Carol too. I’ve sent letters/e-mails, made repeated calls, done pretty well what most of us do. The replies are polite and go like this:

    1- Condensation
    2- Clouds
    3- Buh-bye

    Worldwide petitions you can sign on the net. As for alerting the population, comes a time, after one has done all one can do with determination and imagination one says, F***k the population.

    But don’t you be discouraged, Carol, keep trying, every once in a while you’ll find someone who’ll listen and that’s sweet.

    If you and Susan read some of the comments in Part I and II you’ll find this is the place to be relating to chems…and loads of other stuff.

    A bientot!
    911=USrael to be cont’d

  328. susan Says:

    I respect everyone’s right to practice a religion or not (I’m an atheist, and prefer to take responsibility for my actions during my short time on this planet) but one of my big problems with people who call themselves religious is that they are often not very nice to other people! Surely the Ten Commandments say something like ‘thou shalt be nice to other people’??

    For example how can any of us really know what went on in Michael Jackson’s life, except for the physical appearance. Personally even that was quite interesting: neither black nor white, challenging us to see beyond colour, etc. We don’t know anything about celebrities lives except what the media tell us/ram down our throats. They are now telling us there was no fishy business in his death, so you can be sure there was fishy business…..

    So Ursa, go a little easy on someone who was very, very talented and who must have had a strange childhood. You cannot surely say “good riddance’ if you are a Christian? Maybe you’ll meet him on the other side!!

    More chemtrails in the sky above my house today, I’ll up-load the photos soon.

  329. stef Says:

    Good news! American Airlines has corrected its Wikipedia entry for its flights 11 and 77 on 911 saying those two planes had not flown since December 2000.


    Norad’s fighters did not go after highjacked planes that day because there were no highjacked planes that day; what there was, was plenty of media coverage of MANIPULATED film footage. The media is complicit. Susan said it, if the media says one thing, then the opposite is true.

    The passengers purportedly on those flights, you ask? I think they number in the “burnt offerings” on that Satanic day.

    “Existentialist Cowboy” for more info.

    911TruthNOW *USrael

  330. Celline Says:

    weirdest thing ever : The whole time my German company was here ( they left this morning ) we did not have one chemtrail.
    My friend ( the German guy that was here ) is a VIP.. and I am asking: Is it possible ” they” did not want him to see this mess”? Could they have followed where he was.. and kept the sky clear? It’s crazy I know.. but.. would that be too strange? I sent Ursula’s pictures home to their computers.. and told them what’s really going on, of course, they believe me. And another thing, in Germany they always have coulds.. so they just might not notice the chemtrails. As of now though.. they are aware and will pay attention, good thing !
    Clear Blue.. we had.. the whole time they were here.. nada nothing in the skies, just too weird. Thanx U for those great pictures.

  331. stef Says:

    Hey Celline, let me say how thankful I am not to have to hear any more about your German company who never got to see a single, solitary chemtrail ’cause they were followed to your house and the clever ol’ chem tankers wanted to make you look foolish or wacko to your German company that goes, “Hmmmmmmmmm” a lot. Bon Voyage!

    Get your head out of the clouds, Celline, or “coulds” as you call them, and go to “Existentialist Cowboy” and watch the revelatory videos of 911 and the info on AA’s Wiki correction re. flights 11 and 77, will you?

    Everything that’s happening now is directly related to 911, chems included!

    Naw, it’s not rampant paranoia…it’s gotta be the other.


  332. Celline Says:

    @steff.. have u ever heard me ” complain ” about your chatter.. and the things that u found interesting ” I expect the same from you. Just skip what I have to say.. your comments are meaningless to me, as mine are to you. See.. we just agreed on something.
    Leave me alone… and after all.. I was here be4 you, doesent mean anything really. Just making a point. You are not smarter than me.. just meaner.

  333. Celline Says:

    @Truth, in case u read this. Where have u gone to?
    I sure miss your valuable imput.
    Did you find a ” better” blog ?
    I must reopen my sc name, had to lock it because of spam.
    Please respond here, so I know if to open it or not, ok?
    Thank you “C”

  334. Ursa Major Says:

    You know, Stef, your attacks sure are getting old in a hurry. By the way, Celline’s friend is a very well known doctor, who travels all over the world, giving lectures. He is a lung specialist. If he is convinced that maybe chemtrails cause people to have lung disease, it just MIGHT make a huge impact. So, who knows, maybe Celine is onto something there. You don’t know who she is, and how important her contacts are, so why don’t you just try (I know, it will be almost impossible for you) to be a little more respectful of your elders and realize that they are not all stupid?

    As for me believing ‘everything the media says’, even you must realize that can’t be true. For one thing, I wouldn’t even be here. If I would just stop caring about chemtrails and other conspiracies, my life would suddenly be much easier.

    But I have never been able to pretend that things are normal and good, when I knew they aren’t. Which is why most of my books (hundreds of them) are about uncovering conspiracies. Like ‘The Ashes of Waco’ (which I bought ten years ago), ‘Unlimited Access’ which exposes the Clintons for who they are, ‘N.E.A., Trojan Horse in American Education’, proving without a doubt that our ‘education system’ has never been about education, and all about brainwashing, ‘Trashing the Economy, How Runaway Environmentalism is Wrecking America’, ‘The Murder of Vince Foster’…………………… and the list goes on for hundreds more titles.

    BUT the media mixes truth with lies (which is why most people think the media is truthful), which makes them more dangerous than if they’d ONLY be telling lies. So, not everything they say is untrue, and it is for us to figure out what is true and what isn’t.

    I realize more and more that you, Stef, Eric and Dude are New Agers. You do read the Bible, but you only read what you can use for your own purposes, and dismiss or purposely misinterpret the rest.

    You hate Christians and Jews (which is why you ran off Truth, since he was both as a Messianic Jew), and would like to run off Celline and me as well. Of course Susan (no offense intended Susan, you seem nice enough), who is an atheist, is welcome here by you. Why is what she says appears to be worth more than what Celline and I say, just because we are Christians?

    We are all guests here in this blog. Why don’t you try to get along with everybody? Just ignore comments you don’t like, since they obviously don’t hurt you. Celline wouldn’t hurt a fly, and neither of us would respond in kind and throw insults back at you.

    We have the same right as you to post here. Just try respect and kindness for a change, it won’t kill you, I promise.

    By the way, Susan, I also take responsibility for what I do while I am living on this planet. What makes you think that Christians don’t?

    I doubt that I’ll see MJ on the ‘other side’, but since I am not God, I can’t know. I’ve often said that we will be surprised when we get to heaven by who we will find there who we thought wouldn’t make it, and who won’t be there, who we thought were good Christians. Only God knows. So, you are right, I shouldn’t have said, ‘good riddance’.

    All out chemtrail attack here again today. I was driving out in the countryside, after dropping my youngest daughter off somewhere.

    Beautiful countryside……….. birds singing, the sun shining, green fields, forest, idyllic farm houses with chemtrails above them, the droning of helicopters looking for marijuana in farmer’s fields……. planes in the sky, putting down more chemtrails……… how very peaceful.

    Too bad I don’t have my good camera right now, my husband took it on his canoe trip. But the older one does a decent job of recording the chemtrails.

  335. Celline Says:

    @ Uschi, you say it all so much better, than I ever could ;o)
    Only a very few chems in the East, they look like someone fingerpainted.. so totally out of place in our gorgeous crystal blue skies.
    Even an idiot would have to see.. those are fakes.
    To take biblical words out of context.. so they fit your purposes is a common terribly foolish thing to do.. yet, it’s being done by many all the time. It is dangerous, and stupid. “Do not be fooled..”…u know that scripture ! We can not change people.. only ourselves, but we can throw out the Truth. I will call ” Truth” I have his number… it is a real loss, for him to be no longer here.
    A Nashville ” insider ” who manages tours, and knows all celebs over there.. just wrote me and said.. that Jacko’s death was due too prescribed meds, not foulplay. Who knows for sure, I just believe, that person probably is as close to the truth as anyone could be.
    What’s new w. Iran ? Don’t hear anything anymore. Guess they got slapped down.

  336. Ursa Major Says:

    So, while I was on the computer earlier, they had been busy ‘painting’ lines onto the sky! When I went to the window at around 8:00 p.m., I couldn’t believe it, there were huge crosses RIGHT over my house!

    I grabbed my camera and took pictures, then changed into long pants, socks. running shoes and a cardigan to head back to that farmer’s field (I learned my lesson last time, when the mosquitoes and blackflies really got me) to record the sunset.

    I went shopping afterward (our grocery store is open until 10:00 p.m. on Saturdays), and when I came out of the store, it was dark. But there, right beside the moon, was a fresh chemtrail. Meaning, that they are still at it! It makes me so mad.

  337. Celline Says:

    wow Usch, do you think, they made those x es or crosses over your house for you to see? I mean.. I have noticed the same thing over my house also. It’s plain spooky and scary.
    We had nothing today.. just a very few in the East.. over the desert.
    Otherwise it was crystal blue. I hope I will get to see your pics of today.

  338. Celline Says:

    My friends explained to me the reason they don’t notice them at all. they always have rain or clouds.. never a clear blue sky. So that explains the ” ignorance” in Germany.. but here ? with our blue forever skies.. how could people not notice ? total mystery to me.

  339. Ursa Major Says:

    Celline, no, I don’t think I am that important, in fact, it is highly unlikely that those people even know I exist. It is just coincidence that those crosses ended up being right over my house. Of course, they weren’t there long, as it was windy, and they drifted off to the east of me.

    It was freaky, the whole sky was criss-crossed by thin lines (they had connected, but were still clearly visible), and those fat chemtrails below those were throwing shadows onto that background. It really looks very surreal when looking at my pictures.

    And yes, you’ll get to see some of them, but I don’t have the time to put them up tonight. It may have to wait until Monday.

    Are your friends from Hamburg? Since Hamburg has nearly always clouds, and so much rain (and that’s the way it has always been), most people there wouldn’t notice, even if they watched the sky.

  340. Ursa Major Says:

    Well, this morning the sky looks very odd. There is thick, grey ‘cloud’ cover with bulges and ripples in it. This time the sun hasn’t got a chance to get through, it is quite dark. The weather report says that we’ll have rain today and all week, with thunderstorms tonight.

    We ALWAYS seem to get thunderstorms after a day of heavy spraying. Every time. And the storm clouds don’t look the same any more at all. I used to be able to look at clouds, and say, “Look guys, those look like storm clouds, I think we’ll have a thunderstorm.”

    Not any more. Now they have changed the clouds so much, that it is unpredictable. It is just this strange looking, wavy, rippled mass in the sky, grey instead of black for the most part (and if the clouds are black, they are those ‘asperatus’ things), and suddenly there is a thunderstorm.

    And I bet children today think those are ‘typical’ storm clouds. Even last year I could predict a thunderstorm by looking at the clouds. Only this year they are this changed.

    So, how is it that everybody but me seems to think it is normal around here? Have none of them ever studied the clouds and the weather before, so they can see this is abnormal? Apparently not. I guess I am the odd one out, as usual. I am the one who always notices details others don’t.

  341. Nightmareskies Says:

    Every day . Every day .

    What can I say ?

    The sky terrorists come.

    There goes my sun,

    Covered in chemtrail scum,

    And my mind goes numb.

    Our rain gets vaporized ,

    The awakened are terrorized.

    While the sheeple tick along.

    The blind see nothing wrong.

    But I’m still sane.

    And I feel the pain.

    Nowhere to run . Nowhere to hide.

    Chemtrails are ecocide.

  342. Nightmareskies Says:

    I’ve been down with sickening migraines this week. BC ( before chemtrails) I never had more than a handful my entire life. AC, this changed.

    Fri. afternoon they started spraying the agent that gives me the WORST headaches. These are the chemtrails that mimic contrails in that they rapidly become invisible to the eye. Then during the night, they sprayed again with a different agent that produced the ” typical ” chemtrail gray-out.

    Is there such a thing as chemtrail fashion ?

    Years ago , grids were in vogue.

    Last spring, the wispy cirrus knock-offs were all the rage.

    Then they added to the collection with the popcorn style chems.

    Oh, they still trot out the old X’s once in awhile, but this year it looks like the heavy chem blankets, and rolling bands of dark gray toxic matter will steal the show.

    Whatever will they dream of next ?

    Sky fashion from hell…compliments of the satanic NWO.

  343. Nightmareskies Says:

    Coming soon to a sky above you…. cloud fashions from hell.

    Come one, come all ! You are cordially invited to attend. Attend ? Well, truth be told ( and we don’t tell the truth very often ), attendance is not optional. Attendance is mandatory. Compulsory. Forced. But those words don’t have such a nice ring to them, do they ? So let’s stick to ” attend “.

    Price of admission – FREE. Free show for all. Well, OK. Not really free. There will be a small price to pay . A very small price, negligible. The bats and bees will die, the birds too. Some areas will be subjected to never ending droughts, others to floods. In either case, famine will come. Strange and incurable skin diseases will become common and many people will sicken and die a protracted,gruesome death( our target is a 90 % soft kill rate ). But, as stated, this is indeed such a small price that MOST people, the vast, sleeping majority will never even take notice. zzzzzzzzz

    But, what we’d really like isn’t your life. Hell, that’s always been ours for the taking. Any time we choose .No, what we have in mind is something a bit more substantial.A more valuable commodity than your lives, an infinitely more precious asset. Can you guess what it is ? Your soul . We want your soul.

    Once you are able to transcend the petty, mortal mindset that most of you suffer from, once you open your souls to the eternal cosmic music of death and destruction, once you disavow yourselves of your silly Gods and your selfish morality…then …then… you will finally be able to grasp the awesome beauty and power on display for you in your skies.

    In gratitude, you will fall on your knees and worship us !

    This message brought to you by : Satan and his NWO foot soldiers.

  344. Nightmareskies Says:

    The most destructive thing in this dimension is not hatred. It wasn’t hatred that caused the Holocaust. It wasn’t hatred that destroyed 200 million last century. Hitler and his chief henchmen had Jewish friends. True hatred is very rare.

    The most destructive energy here , by far, is deception.

    We are surrounded and drowning in a sea of lies. Govts are the biggest liars, promise utopia and without fail, deliver one of Dante’s circles of hell.

    What is satan’s biggest lie ? answer- That he doesn’t exist .

  345. Dude Says:

    The chinese people in my city know the war is coming. I surprised one of em yesterday. She wanted to know how I knew about it.

    What is the governments biggest lie? its Nibiru and them hiding it with the billion-dollar, global chemtrail program.

    Why did the government classify all asteroid events secret last week? Nibiru.

    Why did the chinese sub destroy one of our pull-behind sonar arrays? The same reason the russians took out our satellite a couple months ago, theyre preparing to exterminate us.

  346. stef Says:

    I’ll say this for you, Dude, you’re persistent. My hat’s off to you!

    No doubt in my mind chems are predominantly a cloaking device of sorts. There are multi-purposed, but I agree with you that their highly reflective quality is meant to conceal something.

    Another possibility is that they will act as a silver screen or backdrop in preparation for the world’s scariest sky show (Project Bluebeam etc.). Either way, I’m interested in that aspect of it.

    As for war, yeah, that too, and in spades. Besides, the “elite” will be compelled to do something radical since the 911Truth movement is no longer relegated to the fringes of society in the States.

    Now Ursa: As for “notables” staying at certain “people’s” houses and not being chemed because they are “world-renowned” and could make a stink about it, well, that’s purely, and what’s more worrisome, consistently, delusional.

    Chems can be seen thickly spread over the Vatican, over the White House, over the Kremlin, everywhere. I’d say the Luciferians in residence at those places are fairly “notable,” wouldn’t you? And, yet, they are not spared. Why not?

    What is old and tiresome is your endless pontificating and efforts to realign the paradigms of the discussion into a forum for female complaints, gossip and other inanities.

    Why you feel it necessary to share your bug bites, shopping trips, wardrobe items, troubles at home etc. is beyond me and, quite frankly, would be better suited to women’s magazine columns.

    I’ll leave it to others to contend with this particular brand of nonsense:

    “I realize more and more that you, Stef, Eric and Dude are New Agers. You do [….] purposely misinterpret the rest.
    You hate Christians and Jews [….] me as well.”

    Mustn’t forget Cellne: Your bouts of pouting and snubbing, your total abscence of humour, especially your inability to make light of yourself, your silly tantrums when contradicted etc. all of this suggests a galloping infantilism, if you get my drift.

    “I was here be4 you.” What’s this, kindergarten?

    No time to delve into Nightmares’ Zoloft (or other) induced nightmarish episoodies.

    Thanks again FF. I appreciate your astute observations and enlightening comments, even the inimitable way you rap on the knuckles of “some” folks when they get out of line, that is, out of line with the “refined” confines of this forum.

    Since I’ve copied all pertinent info–pertinent to me anyway–from this site…Ladies, the floor is now entirely yours!

    Cluck, cluck, cluck on,

  347. Dude Says:

    stef: im persistent because i am right about this and i know it.

    somebody labeled me a new ager? haha, and say i “hate” people?

    i believe what the evidence shows me, despite the fact that most all people want to ignore the evidence right in front of their faces.

    I dont hate anyone but i do hate stupidity and willful ignorance and have very limited patience with it. well, i guess i hate governments too.

    Noah encountered people like this too and they all learned just like the ones now are going to learn — too late.

  348. ericswan Says:

    Ursula..there are so very few people aware of chemtrails that it is possible the X’s in the sky are for you. One thing I think we should consider is that we aren’t here to preach to the converted and we’re not here to convert. I think we can agree that they are spraying worldwide; that it is something aggregious and completely disgusting that chemtrails separate us from the sky and all of its complement and that there are many (pilots, weathermen, gov’t, media, etc. that know this is happening and will not challenge the ptb to make it public. This raises the question of who is the ptb.

    the Congress recently passed the “cap and trade” carbon credit legislation. Before Bush could accept global warming, he was already out of office. Before big oil could accept global warming, a Canadian company in Sask. had to show them that government will give them credits to sequester carbon underground and when you do that, it pushes more oil into your pipeline. Now the lawyers are busy trading carbon credits with Somalia because lawyers get paid, polluters are let off the hook, Gore gets the kick back, bankers get their traffic and we the public pay for all of it with a carbon tax. Here in B.C. I already pay 7 cents a l. carbon tax (effective July, 2009) and 15 to 20 dollars a month for natural gas to heat my home. The legislation passed on Friday will cost the American tax payer $175 per every man, woman and child a year and that is just the start.

    Now how does that mean a tinker’s dam with regard chemtrails? ummm.. maybe chemtrails is causing global warming?

  349. Celline Says:

    @Uschi, can u do me a big favor please?
    I need to know if Nashville has chems ! I can’t find a thing about it. My daughter just moved there.. and sais, just as usual:” There are no chemtrails here.. neither were their any in California.. I don’t want to hear another word about it “.. just like your family Uschi, I go thru the same thing. But Nashville.. I need to know, will u help me find some info about that town, please?
    Our skies today are as clear as they were yesterday.. have not yet checked out the East.. where there were some, yesterday. Thanx ;o)

  350. Celline Says:

    @Uschi.. no, they live in Halle, where there are equally many rainclouds all the time, just like in Hamburg . Halle-Leipzig_Dresden… is where they live.. SachsenAnhalt, u know?-

  351. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Nashville chemtrails: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nugju8bWMI

  352. Celline Says:

    @Antie, thank you so very very much ;o)

  353. Celline Says:

    @Anti, can u tell me how recent this video is.. and, is this a daily occurance or rather rare ? Again, I thank you !

  354. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Celline: im Dude. i dont know when it was filmed but I assure you that whenever Nibiru is visible, they are spraying. You might try asking the guy but I dont think hes very cooperative but he might be with you.

    In Va, they skip about three days every month but then it is heavy all day the rest of the month when there are no clouds already. it is the same today and will be the same until the war.

  355. Ursa Major Says:

    Celline, yes, there are chemtrails sprayed over Nashville (like any city in North America, really, and even small towns, like mine).

    Here are some links to check out:



    http://weatherwars.info/?page_id=16 (scroll down a little to see the picture of chems over Nashville)

    http://www.rense.com/general2/turkey.htm (he talks about Nashville in the third paragraph from the top)

    http://www.articlebliss.com/article_marketing_videos/v-9Nugju8bWMI/nashville.html (I bet you’ll know who the first commenter, ‘antilieguy’ is)

    http://www.nicenetruth.com/home/2007/11/chemtrails-silv.html Read what he says, he lives in Nashville (you’ll find out the third paragraph down from the top)

  356. Celline Says:

    @Dude, Thank you, this was so very nice of you to help me w. this. Now.. which GUY do you mean, that I should ask? I do not understand?

  357. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Celline: Ask the guy/girl that posted the video on youtube when the video was filmed. He/she wouldnt post my comment so i dont like him/her.
    Heres the link to their profile: http://www.youtube.com/user/Yoetah

  358. Celline Says:

    ok Dude, I will ! Just right now.. I am watching chemtrails rushing in from the West messing up our azur, gorgeous sky ;(
    The white hazy kind, those shapeless Blobs.. arghh

  359. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Yep. Im sick of them. they spray them every single day here. thats one reason I keep posting on youtube even after they threatened me with the patriot act for talking about chemtrails and Nibiru and the war. God didnt show me all this for me to shut up about it, haha. and to top it off, one of my friends brought me a cold…probably the CDC-created bird/pig/people flu but i dont know.

  360. Celline Says:

    @Dude, I just did some searching about Niribu.
    Sorry, I forgot his name, but.. there is a scientist answering questions about Niribu.. and he sais, it is a huge Hoax.
    Just repeating what I just read ok? Did not make it up.

  361. Celline Says:

    @Dude, u were nice to me, and I want to return the ” favor “. Please would u go to : John, 3 – 16, or and read that whole chapter please. and then would u tell me what it sais… and importantly, what it sais to you Personally ? Now, you are getting somewhere, for real ;o)

  362. AntiLieGuy Says:

    hahahaha thats funny. you seriously expect a “scientist” to admit to Nibiru??? theyre spending billions to cover it up and a scientist is going to tell the truth? i bet there are a hundred scientists who will tell you that chemtrails are just persistent contrails too.

    I know very well what john 3:16 says but I do not understand the mechanism by which that works and neither do you. We can not understand Gods ways, we just have to accept what He had His people write for us. And yes, I believe what it says. Jesus also talks about the way to God is within you.

    i try to be nice most of the time but i run out of patience after like a million times and you all arent the millions, just a couple of them 😉 I dont want to get into this debate again either. theres tons of stuff for you to read in your bible that describes nibiru perfectly, and this war, and this country. A good example is Jesus’ telling us there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars and the earth and earthquakes in diverse places…all of which are happening now. And i dont rule out all the other ancient writings (many from every place on earth) that describe it perfectly either. There is also the thing where NASA announced they found Nibiru with their IRAS satellite in 1983 and 2 weeks later made sure that everybody knew that it was a “mistake”.

    The Bible describes chemtrails effects too, it says that in the great day of destruction there will be water flowing from every hill. that is from the continuous cloud seeding with chemtrails to hide the planet, or most likely a brown dwarf star.

    Thank you for your effort, it is appreciated. You remind me of my Mom, who is very nice, but she wont listen to me either. In fact, she got real mad at me one day over chemtrails but after she did a little research, she knows. She wont read her bible or research anything else though and insists that im crazy but ill get to see the look on her face when it all goes down if im still here.

  363. AntiLieGuy Says:

    i asked the person when the nashville chemtrail video was taken. ill post it when they reply.

  364. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Heres another nashville chemtrail video:

    The person on the last one said “yeah, the spraying in Nashville is extremely heavy.”

  365. Celline Says:

    Thanx Dude, but I don’t know about any ” mechanisms” in the Bible.
    I simply had intended, that u read a short little bit.. and then LISTEN.
    Because once you learn THIS.. is when the answers come.
    I know I know.. too weird to not be called crazy by NewAgers … yet I know what I know.
    Dude, your mom sounds nice, tell her hello from me.
    I understand your point about scientists in general.. yet the opposits also exists.. those who get “s…….” know what I mean?
    Overall…. I hope we can communicate in peace and friendship from here on, enjoyed our chat !

  366. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Im not a newager. Im just me. No group, no religious order, no political order anymore, just lil ole me. I make up my mind based on ALL evidence i can find regarding pretty much everything. i bet new age groups would call me a fundamentalist bible thumper because i believe the Bible but thats not true either.

    I know Jesus died on the cross for our sins but I do not understand how that works just like I know UFOs fly but i dont know how they do it (well i got some ideas on that one).

    Mom stays on one of the bingo games all the time. Ill tell her Hi. Shes about your age I think.

    Ill be nice but if you tell me something that directly contradicts the Bible which you say you believe in, Im still gonna call you crazy as a box of rocks, but Ill mean it in the nicest way. 😉

  367. Ursa Major Says:

    Celline, I don’t know what happened. I put a long post in here, with LOTS of links to chemtrail evidence from Nashville. And now it is gone.

    I’ll have to try finding them again. But what I found shows that there is very heavy chemtrail spraying going on over Nashville all the time.

    I have just updated my chemtrail pics, to include everything up to today.

    Stef, it is too bad you are leaving because of us ‘stupid, silly ladies’. But you know, thanks to your extreme rudeness, I am sad to say, I certainly won’t miss you. I hope that you will learn some day that kindness will get you farther than rudeness, and wanting things ‘your way or the highway’.

  368. Celline Says:

    @Uschi.. aww girl, thank you, but indeed they never showed up here. It means much to me to see them, since Yvonne denies their existance !! And she lives there !
    Our chems are rolloing in just now.. from the Pacific.. nice gross creepy looking things. Dude.. eh….. New Age = Old Babylon, I did not mean to accuse you at all. Only thing is.. any and all beliefs that are not Christ centered ARE NewAge…. You my friend are a truth searcher.. yet are searching often in all the wrong places. ( This happens to all of us sometimes )NOT accusing you in specific, ok?
    Another thing Dude, I do not ever say anything anti bible, I would not be able to. The only thing I can think of, is.. that we easily could err.. and put our own interpretations into the word. This is why it is so important to read in Context.. and not seek out those places.. where they would fit our own thoughts and wants, see what I mean?
    Read.. and let it drop deep into your heart.. is the best advise I can think of. The day I understood WHO Jesus is.. is when I found the Truth.. and more than this.. I found who I was ! That was Big, and I will never forget that day !
    Thank you so much Uschi, I’d love to have your find, should you rediscover it.

  369. Celline Says:

    Since I never read stef’s comments, I did not realize he/she is leaving.
    What a funny thing, I kept thinking, I would be the one.
    But, I decided to stay, because the good by far outweighs the bad in this blog.Love the info and love the sharing. FF has lots of Blogs out there.. I found them all, and I am sure.. dear Stef will find one of those more suiting to her particular style of blogging. FF knows how to deal w. the difficulties those blogs can bring.. he will keep things in line, am sure !
    If anyone finds anything about Nashville, I do appreciate everything u can find and pass on to me. Thanx….

  370. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Celline: do you realize what you said with this comment?

    “any and all beliefs that are not Christ centered ARE NewAge”

    i guess according to that definition, I am new age then because I believe in a ton of stuff thats not Christ centered. I believe theres birds in my yard. darn new age birds, that must be why they chirp all the time.

    Nibiru is Christ centered though cause He told us all about it. He told us about this coming war too but Ezekiel did it better (out of what was allowed in the Bible).

    you should listen to stef too, hes kinda smart on some things but i think he tries to humor yall too much. besides ya know ya gotta have a little drama……hehe

  371. Celline Says:

    oh Dude.. the birds and the bees have nothing to do w. “religion” they are creation, just like we are. Yoy understood exactly what I said.. please don’t play dumb.. ok?
    There are so many ” religions” out there, but there’s only 1 way to God.. is what I meant, and yea.. you understood what I meant.
    Just took the dogs 4 a walk.. the moon has a few halos, all colors of the rainbow. and the skies are covered w. you know what.
    Even my dogs started sneezing.
    Have you heard about Mandatory immunizations for the swineflu??
    Don’t know when this will start, but I heard , it will. What are you going to do ?

  372. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Celline:yea i know what you mean but you dont know what i mean. Historical documents do not have to be worshipped to understand what they say and every society on earth tells us about Nibiru, including the Bible. Every prophet tells us we will be destroyed before Nibiru arrives too, especially the Bible. i dont know why I try to convince anybody….whats anybody gonna do? I guess I do it cause the Bible says to warn people.

    Ill be dead before I let anybody force me to have an immunization. There are too many examples where immunizations are way more deadly than what theyre supposed to be protecting against (intentionally). I would most certainly greet forced vaccination as attempted murder with all that implies. besides i already have the cdc pig flu. I met my first youtube agent promoting vaccine safety. LIAR.

  373. Celline Says:

    you have that flu?? Tell me, I am not sure I understand what u said!
    OK.. I will look up.. where in the Bible it talks about Nibiru.. gimme that scripture ok?

  374. AntiLieGuy Says:

    I put a lot of the Bibles references in my document. it is like the USA….its effects are described perfectly but its not named, its just referred to as the time of our visitation and the great earthquake.

    I assume i have the cdc-created pig/spanish/bird flu because i dont know of another one going around and i have all the reported symptoms….the non-life-threatening ones anyway.

  375. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Dude wrote:

    Ill be dead before I let anybody force me to have an immunization. There are too many examples where immunizations are way more deadly than what they’re supposed to be protecting against (intentionally). I would most certainly greet forced vaccination as attempted murder with all that implies.

    I agree 100%. Well said.

    It is obvious to me the World Governments are laying the ground-work for a laboratory created pandemic and their “solution” will be mandatory vaccinations.

    Not for me. Let’s see David Rockefeller, Ted Turner, Baxter pharmaceutical Executives and all the other eugenics-loving New World Order bastards roll THEIR SLEEVES-UP and take their own poison!

    Everyone has to decide for themselves what their personal “line-in-the-sand” is. I have several. Forced vaccinations is one of them.


  376. Ursa Major Says:

    Hey, I just looked, and my post with all the links to Nashville spraying is now there! Who knows what happened, but it posted eventually. Very odd. So, Celline, go back up to find it.

    I agree 100% on the forced vaccination. There is absolutely NO WAY anybody in my family will allow that. In fact, I am the one who made Celline aware of that. There is a petition going around about it with excellent information, here is the link.


  377. Ursa Major Says:

    By the way, Dude and Celline, the video both you and I linked to yesterday about chems over Nashville HAS BEEN REMOVED NOW! Can you believe it? When going to the youTube link, it says it has been removed by the user. If following my link (where both of you commented), the space where the video was is now blank.

    The Internet is being censored by SOMEBODY, I wonder who? (sarcasm)

  378. AntiLieGuy Says:

    That dude who posted the nashville chemtrail vid seemed cool and he asked me how i commented on it because he thought he had already removed it. Ask him if ya want. he said he is highly suspicious of everybody….cause of the agents I guess…..like i was here until i realized that you folks werent really agents.

  379. Ursa Major Says:

    Well, apparently both Celline and I watched the video yesterday. Why would he want to remove it?

  380. AntiLieGuy Says:

    I dont know. he told me he already thought he removed it. dont forget that youtube is crawling with agents but i dont think hes one of them. Im messing with one of em now. I just called him a traitor and accused him of treason. haha, they gonna get me one of these days – if they do it in the next 3 months, that is.

  381. ericswan Says:

    Media are everywhere, and we have to learn to meet them on their own ground. To defend against their pressures we must learn to read them with a skeptical eye, rather than be overwhelmed by their forcefully communicated values. We need to approach them critically, via reflection, the way Perseus reflected Medusa’s face in his mirrored shield.
    Our reflecting technique goes under the name of “media literacy,” and it may begin to do for us what Perseus’s polished shield did for him. To use McLuhan’s terms, if Perseus had gazed directly into the face of his Medusa, he would have suffered an all-too-permanent case of “perceptual numbing.” To prevent being turned to rock by our contemporary Medusa, we need to do some reflecting of our own. We need to reflect continually and critically on media and their effects. The aim of this reflection will be to disengage ourselves, so that media are no longer “extensions” of our powers to think, feel, and imagine. There are a great number of ways to aim the reflecting shield of media literacy, and all of them result in our somehow saying “no” to the forms, values, and assumptions implicit in media. Media literacy should remind us continually that what we are seeing and hearing are representations of the world, and not the world itself.

  382. AntiLieGuy Says:

    that sure was a long-winded philosophical way of saying “kill your television”!

  383. ericswan Says:

    I was talking about you.

  384. AntiLieGuy Says:

    well why didnt you just say so? and I am not media.

  385. ericswan Says:

  386. Celline Says:

    @Dude.. ONE scripture please, that mentions ” nibiru.. ONE..ok?
    I know where it sais ” Wormwood” yes, but I can’t find a Nibiru anywhere.. I looked !

  387. Celline Says:

    ok.. found Wormwood = Injustice
    Jer: 9-15
    Rev: 8-11
    Amos: 5-7

  388. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Celline: chernobyl is ukranian for wormwood. wormwood refers to the radiation poisoning that will come from the fallout from the Russian nukes.

    my document has the scriptures that accurately describe Nibiru’s effects. The name Nibiru is not used just like the name United States of America is not used but they both are described in very great detail.

    what would/could cause the greatest earthquakes since man has been on the earth, stars falling from heaven, the changes in the sun-earth-moon, the earth standing still, the magnetic field collapsing…? nibiru perfectly fits and it is also described by every ancient civilization on earth and NASA announced they found it in 1983.

    good enough for me.

  389. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Ask yourself why they are spraying chemtrails every day all over the world. Also ask why they are now classifying all asteroid events secret. Im only still typing this cause I like yall. Seems ive typed this stuff about a million times.

  390. Celline Says:

    Dude.. I am doing my homework here.. I do respct any serious research.
    Yet some results.. I must not accept as true thing.
    I am not going back in the blog and read everything, my request is a very simple one: GIVE ME the scripture where u found this. What is so hard about that ? Why i s it too much to ask?
    Wormwood = Injustice.. just like I said be4. Seems to me that Wormwood is describing some nuclear disaster.. am still reading.
    So now you can’t say I am ignoring your research.. but eh.. when I do research, I am very thourough, digging and digging.
    You know what bugs me about your research is, that you give Dates.. God did not give us those. Jesus did not know.. but you do?
    We are to watch the times and the signs.. well.. back to reading.

  391. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Ezekiel 24:1-2 gives the date and so does kings and jeremiah. the time of the year (fall) is also given in the Bible.

    Do you have a text version of the Bible that you can search? That is very handy. A search for earthquake or stars will yield many results.

    my document is here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/16612974/War-News

    there is one box near the end that shows the occurrences of the dates and times of the year.

    On the Nibiru/Planet X page is the best scriptures describing the earthquakes.

    Make it full screen where you can see it. I actually dont remember the book/verse cause ive read so much. I also know that for the first several time i read amos, ezekiel, isaiah, and jeremiah i got more and different details every time i read it. Revelation describes the earthquakes somewhere.

    if you ask, God will/may give you the knowledge. If all that doesnt help you, let me know and Ill go find them again.

  392. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Im bored. I did it anyway.

    Luke 21, Revelation 6, Revelation 16

    Date/time of year:
    Ezekiel 24:1-2, Jeremiah 52:4, 2Kings 25:1, Amos 7:1, Jeremiah 8:20, Isaiah 18:5, Amos 1:1-2

  393. Celline Says:

    Great, Thank you

  394. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Dude, FYI – I added a direct link to your document at the top of this article so people can find it easily.
    I can’t say for sure if you are right or wrong in your interpretation……I guess time will tell. I have looked at your document and at some other evidence as well. There are some interesting avenues of research I want to pursue further.
    I can see that you have put a lot of effort into your research and that is something I wish more people would do.

    Because of my own “awakening” to the amazing reality (indeed the “matrix”) that we live in, I do not (as I often used to do) dismiss theories out-of-hand anymore. I remain open-minded and try to confirm or disprove information to the best of my abilities.

    As I freely admitted in my essay “I remember 9/11” which can be found here:

    I started out just accepting the Government lies about 9/11. I am not ashamed to admit I was wrong, because how can we learn to grow if we do not admit to past mistakes? I learned first-hand that it is foolish to always believe you are right. You have to question YOURSELF and re-evaluate constantly what you believe to be true in the face of new evidence. Many people’s ego’s are too frail to allow this to happen. I guess I am fortunate in that I do not care what people *think* – but I care a great deal about UNDERSTANDING THE TRUTH!

    Almost every individual that has posted on this blog has occasionally made the mistake of coming across like they are the sole repository of an absolutely correct interpretation of the subject at hand. Then the discussion devolves into back-and-forth bickering (which thankfully hasn’t happened much lately) and then all real sharing of knowledge is stopped dead in it’s tracks because everyone feels THEY ARE RIGHT about the subject at hand, be it the Bible, Nibiru, Chemtrails, Esoteric Knowledge, etc. This is also the same philosophical problem I have with someone that states they are an atheist. An atheist states they *KNOW* there is no God. How can they know this? I have much more respect for someone that declares themselves to be an “agnostic” because they are making the distinction that, while they don’t *think* there is a God, they are not stating with certainty one doesn’t exist.

    Now please don’t misunderstand the implications of what I am saying. I am not trying to deny that we can ever reach a firm conclusion. I am saying the issues that we can come to a firm conclusion about are are much rarer than we might think, and on the remaining issues, if we hope to have a chance to achieve real discernment, we better keep an open mind and be prepared to do a LOT of hard work (reading, research, discussion, THINKING, etc.) Life’s mysteries are not easily revealed to the casual observer.

    Again, let me use 9/11 as an example. I personally spent over two years of intense research over every aspect of 9/11. I can state unequivocally and with full conviction the official story of 9/11 is a total lie, and that our own Government was deeply involved in the attacks and the cover-up. I can’t tell you the name of who pushed the buttons, I can’t say for sure what actually hit the Pentagon, or if the plane over PA was shot-down or purposely crashed, but overall, I can tell you the official story is a LIE!

    There are a lot of smart people that read and post on this blog and I have learned something from each of you, and I also hope that this blog has helped each of you take away some new knowledge or insight. That is why I like to keep the tone friendly and the information flowing. However, honest disagreements over ideas are also good because they tend to sharpen the focus of both parties, and stimulate MORE research and discussion.

    Kindest Regards,

  395. Celline Says:

    @Founding ; You’r Good, very good ;p, praising, scolding, setting boundries etc etc, you do it better than anyone I ‘ve ever known 😉
    Reading you makes me feel like I’m 12… haha, memories flooding into my brain ( what’s left of it ) ;o)
    @Dude, I did read and read. Yes, there is this date a few times, and it’s 10/10 ! These all are prophesies about Israel, one is for Egypt.
    Have not yet found the slightest evidence for Niribu though.
    Thank you for giving me the scriptures u were referring to.

  396. clark Says:

    For the last three days there’s been no chemtrails, all blue skys, wonderful cool air.
    I did see blue ripples, that was very surreal. The ripples appeared like they were confined to a small circular area.
    Three days ago, we were getting heavily chemtrailed, I saw one of those big X’s in the sky. I’ve only seen that one other time. It sure does make you feel like you’re a target.

  397. AntiLieGuy Says:

    FoundingFather: you should be a diplomat. bravo.

    Celline: Yes, those prophecies are for Israel in the land that the Israelites came into, not the land they left. Now go read the description of this country on the two pages following the war news in my document. It perfectly describes a country that could not possibly any other country but this one. And this country is the one that Russia has been threatening for the past two years.

    clark: they skip days here too sometimes, like yesterday but the stuff they spray is still in the air. Im thinking sometimes this thing is more visible than others, kinda like the moon but different.

  398. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Nibiru’s effects from the Bible:

    And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. – Revelation 6

    And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. – Revelation 16
    (this is from our collapsing magnetic field)

    And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring — Luke 21

    Nibiru described in ancient Egyptian scrolls:

    Men forget the days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it will return in its appointed hour. When ages pass, certain laws operate upon the stars in the Heavens. Their ways change, there is movement and restlessness, they are no longer constant and a great light appears redly in the skies. When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear and mountains will open up and belch forth fire and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed. Waters will be swallowed up by the land and seas will boil. The Heavens will burn brightly and redly, there will be a copper hue over the face of the land, followed by a day of darkness. A new moon will appear and break up and fall. The Doomshape is like a circling ball of flame which scatters small fiery offspring in its train. It covers about a fifth part of the sky and sends writhing snakelike fingers down to Earth. Before it the sky appears frightened, and it breaks up and scatters away. Midday is no brighter than night. It spawns a host of terrible things. These are things said of the Destroyer in the old records, read them with a solemn heart, knowing that the Doomshape has its appointed time and will return. It would be foolish to let them go unheeded. Now men say, “Such things are not destined for our days”. May the Great God above grant that this be so. But come, the day surely will, and in accordance with his nature man will be unprepared.

  399. ericswan Says:

    Chemtrails and global warming seem to have similar timelines in that both seem to have come to the attention of the public roughly 1996. We know that HAARP has been around even longer than that and we know that it’s not just a scientific project to collect data on the ionosphere though I’m sure that is going on.

    Ice sheets the size of Manhatten broke away from Ellesmere Island in 2005 and completely melted away by 2008. This data suggest global warming. By 2006, Russia, Canada, Denmark, Iceland and the U.S. begin to move on the prospect that 20% of the world’s oil resources are in the Arctic. Is it possible chemtrails trap heat and is it possible that global warming is just one effect chemtrails perpetrate?

    Oil and coal in the Arctic are a product of the Cretaceous period when the Earth’s atmosphere was 10% carbon dioxide. Our atmosphere is 481 parts per million carbon dioxide or .1%. We could use more carbon dioxide to feed the world’s population. We don’t need more cadmium, hydrogen flouride, mercury, lead, etc. in the atmosphere but legislation to protect us from these toxic elements is not forthcoming. The aluminum and barium found in chemtrails must be studied for their effects before we allow exposure to all flora and fauna found on the planet.

  400. ericswan Says:

    Dude/Steve/lies: “Who:” saw Niburu in 1983 and where is your link to that discovery? Just asking.

  401. Ursa Major Says:

    Very heavy rain yesterday, with intermittent thunderstorms. This morning started out with some clouds and some chems and some blue in between, but now it is all huge clouds (some black, some gray and some white). Anywhere the blue sky is visible in between, you can see the chems above the clouds.

    We are supposed to get more thunderstorms for several days. I can’t help but think those chemtrails high up above all those clouds have something to do with it.

    And we are always getting all this rainy, stormy weather after a day of heavy spraying. I don’t believe it is a coincidence.

  402. AntiLieGuy Says:

    eric: Besides there being plenty information in my document (including the link to a very good Nibiru presentation), heres more links for you:




  403. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Ursa: the chemtrails SEED the clouds that form. They make clouds that produce rain. That is why the Bible says that there will be water flowing from every hill in the great day of destruction.

  404. ericswan Says:

    Well my friend, I appreciate your efforts to supply some documentation for your belief system. I think you might concur that “nobody” saw nothing in 1983. The conjecture is that the perterbations of Pluto, Saturn and Neptune “suggest there is a planetary sized body that has caused these gravitational perterbations in the planets. I’m okay with that.

    As for the “second coming” of Niburu since 1628 B.C, you should be aware of the book “Worlds in Collision” by Emmanual Velekovsky who says that it was Venus and not Niburu which caused the sun to stand still for a couple of days.


    http://www.varchive.org/ce/cosmos.htm (written shortly after Velikovsky moved from Israel to America

  405. ericswan Says:

    Greenhouses that raise the level of carbon dioxide from 381 ppm to 1,000 ppm have yields 4 fold greater than those without added carbon dioxide. I suggest you listen to the research on global warming at http://www.infowars.com for today’s program which repeats all day.

    This research points out that carbon dioxide is at it’s lowest levels in 300 million years. One has to wonder who is prepping this planet to have low sun, low carbon dioxide and high metals in the atmosphere. Doesn’t seem to matter how life got here. It’s not going to survive these changes.

  406. Celline Says:

    What we have here today, has been described above.. by others. I have my own words for it: It looks like ” Lumpy Cream of Wheat”, and ripples.
    Below this fake mess.. is the Ocean Overcast, that will burn off w.in the hour, yet the cream of wheat will remain. It’s doing the opposite here.. as to Uschi’s place.. it keeps us totally dry. Already terrible watershortage.. and ” they” are trying to get double and 3 times the money for water.. from us ! MONEY, the love thereof the mother of ALL EVIL.
    We can water the lawns 3 times a week.. flush toilets once a day !!!Take a shower once a week… etc etc etc..
    If too much water is used.. we pay huge Fines. Sweet huh? So.. they are flooding some parts of the world, and ” aridise ” others. ( Made up that word ) !Yes, I make up petwords for those miserable chems.. a little humor doesen’t hurt, me anyways !
    @Dude, am still reading.. still found nothing about Nibiru, just telling you the truth here.
    Later.. friends ;o)

  407. Ursa Major Says:

    Celline, have you scrolled up and found my post (the one that showed up after a day) with the links to Nashville chems?

    It is pouring and pouring here. Haven’t seen that much rain in a long time. This is the time of year we need sunshine and little rain for the crops to grow!

    Eric, I know what you are saying about low levels of carbon dioxide is true. It is so crazy that most people believe that we need to REDUCE the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, they don’t realize that without it NOTHING would grow at all. The environmentalists have done a good job of brainwashing the public.

    Dude, cloud seeding will make the cloud larger, and make it rain, but it doesn’t make the clouds from scratch. http://ask.yahoo.com/20020920.html

    The chem clouds aren’t made of water, and so they don’t produce rain.

  408. ericswan Says:

    June 29, 2009

    US Reported In “Panic” After Chemtrail Planes Forced Down In India, Nigeria

    Sorcha Faal.

    Russian Military Analysts are reporting in the Kremlin today that US Military Forces are “panicked” over the forced landings ordered by Indian and Nigerian Air Forces of two Ukrainian AN-124 aircraft [photo top left] operated by the United States Air Force and based at their gigantic, but secretive, Diego Garcia air base located in the Indian Ocean.

    According to these reports, China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) notified both India and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft over their growing concerns of the United States spreading of “biological agents” throughout our Earth’s atmosphere, and which some Chinese officials are warning is an American-European attempt to conduct mass genocide via the spread of the H1N1 swine flu virus which has put the entire Global population at risk.

    The first of these aircraft to be ordered down, these reports continue, was over India when a US operated AN-124 changed its call sign from civilian to military as it was preparing to enter Pakistani air space, and which triggered an immediate response from the IAF who forced it to land in Mumbai, and the second one was forced down by Nigerian fighter jets who promptly arrested both the crew and the plane itself.

    Most strange about the reports filed by Indian and Nigerian intelligence agencies about these aircraft, other than the armaments they were carrying, were their waste disposal systems that these reports say could hold in excess of 45,000 kg (100,000 pounds) and from which a “technologically sophisticated” network of nano-pipes led to the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers for “dispersing” the contents of the waste tanks in an “aerial-type mist”.

    “Furious” demands made by the United States to both India and Nigeria for the release of their planes led to Indian Defense officials allowing the AN-124 they had captured to be released. Nigeria, however, had to be “forcefully persuaded” to release its captured US plane when after its initial refusal to do so than had one of their major oil pipelines blown up by one of the many American backed terrorist groups operating in their country.

    To the many, and conflicting, issues surrounding these chemtrails it is not in our expertise to examine in depth, other than to note that the American based Sunshine Project organization in a 2002 accused the US military of “conducting a chemical weapons research and development program in violation of international arms control law”, and stated:

    “JNLWD’s [US Department of Defense’s Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate] secret program is not focusing on highly lethal agents such as VX or sarin. Rather, the emphasis is on “non-lethal” chemical weapons that incapacitate. JNLWD’s science advisors define “non-lethal” as resulting in death or permanent injury in 1 in 100 victims.(1) JNLWD’s Research Director told a US military magazine “We need something besides tear gas, like calmatives, anesthetic agents, that would put people to sleep or in a good mood.” (2) These weapons are intended for use against “potentially hostile civilians”, in anti-terrorism operations, counterinsurgency, and other military operations.

    The major focus of JNLWD’s operation is on the use of drugs as weapons, particularly so-called “calmatives”, a military term for mind-altering or sleep inducing chemical weapons.”

    Curious to note about this secret US Military programme to release upon its citizens “calmative agents” is that it appears to be working as no other Nation in the World is more docile and complacent about its destruction than these Americans, who, in just one example, allowed their presidential vote for Vice President Al Gore to be stolen from them by George Bush in their 2000 election, and, even worse, fail to even notice that their current president, Barak Obama, is continuing Bush’s outlawed policies, including one of the most dangerous for these people allowing the US government to hold any of them without trial forever should they be branded “terrorists”.

    But, to the worst fears of our World about these new events, and as we have previously reported on, and should China’s Intelligence Agencies be correct in their reports about the United States’ plan for mass Global genocide, we can read as reported on by noted Austrian investigative journalist Jane Burgermeister, who this past week filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN) of which is said:

    “In her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.

    Specifically, evidence is presented that the defendants, Barack Obama, President of the U.S, David Nabarro, UN System Coordinator for Influenza, Margaret Chan, Director-General of WHO, Kathleen Sibelius, Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services, Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Department of Homeland Security, David de Rotschild, banker, David Rockefeller, banker, George Soros, banker, Werner Faymann, Chancellor of Austria, and Alois Stoger, Austrian Health Minister, among others, are part of this international corporate criminal syndicate which has developed, produced, stockpiled and employed biological weapons to eliminate the population of the U.S. and other countries for financial and political gain.

    The charges contend that these defendants conspired with each other and others to devise, fund and participate in the final phase of the implementation of a covert international bioweapons program involving the pharmaceutical companies Baxter and Novartis. They did this by bioengineering and then releasing lethal biological agents, specifically the “bird flu” virus and the “swine flu virus” in order to have a pretext to implement a forced mass vaccination program which would be the means of administering a toxic biological agent to cause death and injury to the people of the U.S. This action is in direct violation of the Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act.

    Burgermeister’s charges include evidence that Baxter AG, Austrian subsidiary of Baxter International, deliberately sent out 72 kilos of live bird flu virus, supplied by the WHO in the winter of 2009 to 16 laboratories in four counties. She claims this evidence offers clear proof that the pharmaceutical companies and international government agencies themselves are actively engaged in producing, developing, manufacturing and distributing biological agents classified as the most deadly bioweapons on earth in order to trigger a pandemic and cause mass death.”

    To the American people themselves, perhaps, the worst is about to befall them as new reports from the US are stating that their Centers For Disease Control (CDC) has ordered an unprecedented 600 million doses of swine flu vaccine to be forced upon these people who under their present Swine Flu Public Health Emergency have no choice but to take these vaccines or face 10 years in prison.

    What makes these 600 million swine flu vaccines ordered by the US government for their people most curious is that, as it stands right now, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any vaccine to be produced for the H1N1 swine flue virus as it is continuing to evolve as new reports from Brazil and Germany clearly show and, most ominously, even from the United States itself where an Oregon child “identified only as “younger than 5 years old,” died June 15, and infection with the swine flu virus was confirmed by the Oregon State Public Health Laboratory Tuesday. The child had “no known underlying medical conditions and a two-day history of fever,” and was not hospitalized”.

    It goes without saying, of course, that these American people have no idea about the over year-long process involved in making any type of influenza vaccine once the virus stops mutating, but then again, no one ever accused these peoples of being anything other than the sheep-like simpletons they’ve become as they continue to watch the destruction of their once great Nation at the very hands of those they believe are helping them.

    And to those, like us, who continue to shout true warnings at them? As absurd as it may sound, it remains the sad fact that those telling them truth are called liars, and those lying to them are believed. Never once do any of them question what their leaders and propaganda media tell them to think or believe.

    © June 29, 2009


  409. Ursa Major Says:

    Great article, Eric. By the way, did you purposely post the fantastic article on non-existent global warming on the previous page of this blog? Fortunately, I am still subscribed to be notified of posts there. Otherwise I would never have looked.

    So, if you want people to read it, you may want to link to it or post it here (even though posting whole articles in a blog might infringe on copyrights, and it is better to just quote snippets and post the link).

    I had to go out tonight, and took lots of pictures of incredible clouds especially on my way home, because of more time. It made me so mad that whenever the cloud cover started breaking up, and blue sky appeared, there they were, putting chemtrails. Really, having blue skies seems to be a no-no these days!

    Not that there weren’t chems above the clouds already, and in one instance they were right around a cloud. Ugh

    Will put up some of them tomorrow. No time tonight, I have to be up too early in the morning.

  410. Celline Says:

    WOW ! Eric.. where did u find this? And what other countries are aware of this.. and does this not mean….. the horses are out of the barn? Does this mean HOPE ?
    How are they going to squelch this one?
    Now I have 1000 questions, and a tiny bit of Hope..
    Thank you for this, Eric.. and I want to know where to find this article..
    Uschi, isen’t this just too awesome ? No, I have not found your post, but will look for it now.

  411. Celline Says:

    @Uschi, I just found your post w. all those links, will look at them now !

  412. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Celline: The EFFECTS of Nibiru are in the Bible. Biggest earthquake since man has been on the earth, sun, moon, planets affected, asteroids, collapsing magnetic field, continents ripped apart, etc.

    Ursa: The difference between a contrail and a cloud is this: contrails form ice and vapor from rapidly expanding gasses from the engine or turbulence, therefore they warm up and evaporate. A cloud is water vapor condensed around a piece of particulate matter. The act of spraying particulate matter (chemtrails) provides the seeds to form the clouds.

    eric: before the great deluge (noahs flood) we had a water canopy around the planet that made atmospheric pressure about 28 lb/sq in and the oxygen was 30% and carbon dioxide was about 2.6% i think. This is what made people and plants get so big and live so long. And couldnt you have provided summaries and a links instead of entire news articles?

  413. Ursa Major Says:

    Dude, I was thinking that chemtrails may provide the particulate matter for water drops to form, which turn into clouds. But chemtrails don’t always turn into real clouds that rain, but just those weird popcorn things, or those scary looking wavy, velcro ‘mats’, which obviously never produce rain.

    So, why is it that sometimes we get those weird things, that don’t look at all like normal clouds that don’t rain (which seems to be all Celline is getting in San Diego), and other times we get thunderstorms for days after heavy spraying? I guess they must be using different chemical mixtures for different effects.

    You are right about the water canopy around the earth before the flood. They found human footprints that were huge, and large human skeletons that they claim can’t be human, because they are too big. But why don’t they think humans could have been much larger, when they have found enormous dragonflies, rodents, huge tigers (saber-toothed) and mammoths etc, as well as huge plants?

    The answer I guess is, that most ‘scientists’ these days refuse to believe in a world-wide flood, and so they won’t consider those changes after the flood, like complete climate change.

  414. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Ursa: i suppose the humidity determines whether or not the chemtrails form clouds…after all, if there is no moisture there cant be any condensation around the particulates.

    The govt is covering up all the evidence that proves the Bible correct. They are the servants of satan and they do not want us believing God’s word.

  415. Ursa Major Says:

    Dude, yes, why didn’t I think of that. You are right, the moisture content in the air would definitely be a determining factor when it comes to cloud formation.

    At this time of year it is awfully humid here. Even though it isn’t nearly as warm as it is usually, it is still very humid. Which explains why in the winter and spring we got those crazy non-clouds out of chemtrails, and now we get huge, enormous mountain clouds that are much lower than I remember them normally being. And tons of thunderstorms and extremely heavy rainfall.

    It isn’t only the government covering up Bible evidence, it is all those evolutionists and environmentalists and pseudo scientists, too. Of course, those are the ones the government will fund, and they won’t fund anybody who won’t stick with their agenda.

  416. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Ursa: yea, thats why i recommended jonathan gray’s books. he tells all about that stuff, what theyve found and ancient technology and stuff. You cant get it on piratebay anymore but i might be able to put it on one of the document sites as a private document.

    Mag 6.4 quake near Crete………Nibiru Cometh!

  417. clark Says:

    Five days without seeing a chemtrail jet, a record here. Of course the last two days were cloudy and white sky overcast and unseasonably cool.

    Small bits are adding up. To back up Dudes thinking that USA is the same as saying Israel:

    FEMA, Israeli Defense Forces Home Front Command Partner for Martial Law

    I watched the movie Lord of War, based on a true story. It helped me to understand that if two chemtrail jets were forced to land in India and Nigeria and then allowed to leave without so much as a peep in the mainstream media, this is standard operating procedure. Top down command and control.

    AntiLieGuy Says: Ursa: i suppose the humidity determines whether or not the chemtrails form clouds…after all, if there is no moisture there cant be any condensation around the particulates.

    Unless of course there is added moisture from the jets to supply the cloud creation? From 100,000 gallon tanks of sewage water? Much like using an accelerant to start a fire with wet wood? The atmosphere may have low humidity levels, but moisture is not non-existent. The water molecules just need to be attracted to the right kind of other element. Certain electrons attract other electrons, from how far away is an unknown, perhaps electricity or magnetism could extend the reach of an electrons pull?.

  418. AntiLieGuy Says:

    ewww, shit rain. thanks, i needed to hear that. haha

  419. Ursa Major Says:

    Yuck, maybe that is why I’ve been seeing some weird brown clouds, too! :&

  420. Ursa Major Says:

    Oh well, that smiley keyboard shortcut for ‘sick’ didn’t work.

  421. ericswan Says:

    I’m seeing the invisible chemtrails today. Let me explain. I was up at 5 AM and could here the jets. They were way higher than I’ve ever ever seen them and possibly 50,000 ft. It’s funny but the sound at that elevation seems to be louder. Anyway, these jets continued without the slightest of contrail. Nothing. By now, I’t’s 3:36Pm pacific time and being as there are alot of people out and about celebrating Canada Day it took a bit of peering into the blue to see the HAARP signature or the wavy gravy as some have called it. It’s there but it’s not there. Your blue skies may be coloured blue.

  422. ericswan Says:

    Kerry, David Wilcock and myself – with a friend and colleague, ‘Doc’ Barham – are all traveling back from a particularly significant trip to interview a key whistleblower, Dr Pete Peterson.

    We did our best to give a summary of our experience on the Camelot radio show (all of us huddled over Kerry’s cellphone in the airport departure lounge) and we experienced a fair amount of chaos – which I suspect is directly proportional, in a situation such as this, to the importance of the information we were trying to impart.

    We hope the attempted broadcast was not too chaotic for listeners to endure: we’ll do rather better on Thursday with no interference or noise, and on a good connection. In the meantime, stay tuned: we’ll write up our report soonest. We believe this may be the most significant interview we’ve yet done.

    Dr Peterson is an extremely well-informed insider – and a most remarkable and brilliant scientist – who has come forward to talk with us publicly on video because he feels the issues he cares deeply about, and knows about, are too important to keep silent about. We salute his courage.

    The nature of his testimony, as he described to us in a preliminary phone conversation, was so extraordinary that I immediately flew to the US for the weekend, where Kerry and I were joined by David Wilcock – the first time the three of us have interviewed a witness together.

    Among the many things Dr Peterson spoke about at length was his strong, informed belief that there will be a melt-down of the global economy – and US infrastructure – within months; that Obama is planning to disclose the reality of ET contact by the end of the year; and that most, but not all, of the ET visitors are friendly. There is much, much more, but I am writing this in the departure lounge of the same airport, and I have no more time as my flight is being called. More later in the next few days, and our thanks again to all who helped make this possible.

    • Update:

    I have just landed in transit for an hour at another airport. Here is a very general list of the subjects Kerry, David and I discussed with Dr Pete Peterson:

    — The probable (in Dr Peterson’s strong opinion) collapse of the economy, infrastructure, and law and order in the US
    — The planned disclosure of the ET presence
    — The Aurora (now retired from service and replaced by vehicles capable of superluminal travel) and the TR3B (the large flying triangle, which functions as an aircraft carrier)
    — Artificial intelligence and advanced robotics
    — The “information field” and how the body, the mind, and DNA really function
    — Healing modalities which work very rapidly and effectively
    — ‘Rescuing’ brilliant scientists out of the old USSR
    — How Mir (the Russian Space Station) was so heavy that it could not have been assembled without ‘help’ from our ‘friends’ (or, to be exact, the Russians’ friends)
    — Time spent in the Vatican Library
    — The existence of Sumerian high technology
    — Quantum computing (Dr Peterson held in his hand a cheap quantum chip, which he had assembled himself in his own laboratory, with the computing power of 10,000 PCs)
    — The genius of James Clerk Maxwell, and why Einstein was wrong
    — Why you should not spend too much time in front of your new Digital TV
    — The reality of the US prison camps
    — How President Obama was (in all probability) set up
    — How he came to understand that 15% of the world’s population (of all races) have ET ancestry that can be seen in their DNA – and are also resistant to mind control technologies.

    And there’s more. The above is an incomplete list. We will get this information out as soon as possible, but in the meantime David Wilcock and myself will both be incorporating some of this material in our presentations at the Zurich Conference on 10-12 July.



    Dude (if that really is your name), you asked some time ago, who’s ready for this. I don’t know how fast you think Niburu can travel, but it’s not going to make it for your party. I suggest you gird your loins for something less than the second coming of Niburu. You, Dude, will have to face your demons, your misunderestimation of the evil we face here and now.

  423. AntiLieGuy Says:

    yea, my Mom named me Dude. heh. I know whats coming. Nibirus gonna make it but whether Im here or not by then, idk. See, we got this huge invasion coming, bigger than any in history or future. The invasion is on 10-10-09 and Nibiru is around 2012, Exactly like the Bible and all the prophecies say.

  424. Celline Says:

    @eric, what are “healing modalities”, and who spent time in the vatican library ? How can u tell someone has ET genetics ?
    I knew about the Sumerian technology. But could u please answer my questions? And by all means.. keep us posted. We knew.. Obama was set up and functioning as a mere puppet. I wonder how his wife does not let that cat out of the bag.
    We had ” pocorn” the last few days.. so much of it it covered the skies.
    Now.. there’s a brownish haze everywhere, no not smog !
    Overall, there’s something in the air that makes me shudder.. and of course, I do not know what it is.. I just know.. it is utterly evil.
    I am very sick.. as of this morning. ” Schuettelfrost ” hot and cold feeling, and a terribly upset stomach. I keep cleaning my windshield every morning from all the goop that’s on there.. maybe I caught something. I feel miserable.Also.. very weak and extremely tired.
    Almost can’t bear anymore to look into the skies.. it’s starting to make me physically sick… my beautiful blue and golden California.. all gone.
    And it is cold, our weather is not even close to what it should be.
    I wish I could move, but, where to?
    Please eric.. explain more when u have the time.. and try and keep your language simple, often I can not understand what u are saying. ( Remember the poor immigrant… Uschi does much better w. the language than I do )
    Whatever became of this India and Nigeria story? I mean, this is HUGE news.. is it just going away.. or is it being suppressed? I mean, the bought and paid for media sure has not said one thing.
    ciao friends..

  425. Ursa Major Says:

    Sigh, not the ‘ET presence’ again. I followed the link (from Project Camelot) on this David Icke, and what he describes in his Autobiography as ‘making contact’ and all that stuff is simply demon possession. The guy is possessed by at least three demons and it has nothing to do with aliens.

    “– How he came to understand that 15% of the world’s population (of all races) have ET ancestry that can be seen in their DNA – and are also resistant to mind control technologies.”

    More of that ET stuff. I don’t believe any of that for a moment.

    Now some of the things listed I do believe, they are quite plausible. Llike Sumerian high technology is definitely possible. It is very likely that civilization was very advanced before the Great Flood, and some of that knowledge would have been retained for quite a while before it was lost. But it had NOTHING to do with ETs.

    Superluminal travel is simply a theory that I don’t believe in. I think what you are looking at is lies mixed with truth, and you are swallowing it hook, line and sinker, because you like what those guys say. It seems so cool, and they make it sound so plausible. Plus you REALLY want to believe in those aliens.

    Beware of not getting sucked into witchcraft, demon possession and satanism, the very thing we all know the Illuminati are into.

    The Project Camelot Mission Statement is this:

    “Overview and mission statement:

    • To provide researchers, activists and ‘whistleblowers’ with access to all forms of media in order to get the truth out.

    • Our focus includes but is not limited to the following:
    • extraterrestrial visitation and contact
    • time travel
    • mind control
    • classified advanced technology
    • free energy
    • possible coming earth changes
    • revealing plans that exist to control the human race.

    • To establish ‘safety in numbers’ and unite these disparate factions under an umbrella of protection for activists and ‘whistleblowers’ who may have concerns for the safety of themselves and their loved ones.

    • To provide a tribute to all activists in paradigm-challenging fields who have worked for the benefit of humanity… and who have suffered or been silenced for speaking the truth.”

    Really, they are into stuff that is sinister and dangerous. They may not realize it, but those people are playing with fire and are into the very things they claim they want to uncover.

    So, while some of their research is valid and good, and some of what they say is definitely true, I wouldn’t trust them and their information. Because they are deceived by Satan himself, who, as Jesus said, will disguise himself as an angel of light. He and his fallen angels are posing as extraterrestrials, and people are gullible enough to fall for it.

    As I’ve said above, research has shown that whenever ‘aliens’ try to abduct true Christians, and they call on Jesus Christ to help them, the ‘aliens’ always abort the abduction and leave. The reason is, that they have no power against Jesus, and are forced to leave when His name is called. Which exposes them for who they really are, which is demons.

  426. clark Says:

    All, wow.

    “HAARP signature or the wavy gravy” is that the blue ripples?

    Painted blue sky… painted… good way to describe it.

  427. Ursa Major Says:

    Ugh, I am so mad again! My husband talked to a friend on his recent camping trip, who is a commercial pilot. He had sent him an e-mail with some of my pictures that I took in April (those atrocious crossing chems, that were everywhere). The pilot didn’t reply because he (or so he claims) lost my husband’s e-mail.

    So, now he asked him about them. And got the same bullshit answer the government gives everybody! He says that larger airplanes have hotter engines and leave wider trails, and smaller ones thinner ones. And all those lines are simply made by commercial airliners.

    And he must believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, too, if he truly believes that. He also claims to be a Christian, and so my husband is absolutely sure he wouldn’t lie, therefore what he says must be true.

    I am fuming, and I think I am giving up on trying to convince my husband, because it is useless. He is hopeless, and that’s it.

  428. Celline Says:

    Oh Uschi, that is just terrible. I too have a friend who’s husband is a pilot.
    I asked her many times to ask him, and her answer to me was always the same. It’s normal contrails and real clouds ! This girl is as honest as the day is long, so he lied to his own wife. How can so many professional people be threatened into silence ? It’s just beyond me. I have lost good friends over all of this.
    Uschi, am aware that all ” aliens ” are demons.. yet : As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the end of time “.. tells me, that demons again.. after the flood.. were able to mix w. humanity. So… there could be humans.. who have demonic genes.. you don’t believe this?
    And all things ” Sumerian ” exactly, I agree w. you.
    I am glad u told eric.. that what he’s into, isen’t clean at all. lies mixed w. truth.. still become total lies. Glad u told him. I looked at that site also, and came to the same conclusion.
    I just took a shower and feel a bit better.. but, I got some bug, am sure of it. How did your English get so much better than mine??? The way you express yourself, is so much better than what I can do.
    I can imagine the stress in your marriage.. OMG ! This pilot did not help any.. he told him a whopper, Oh how much I hate lying..hate it.All those pics u took, did a lot of good w. my German friends.. they are researching.. am getting mail almost daily, little George is at it, full speed ;o) That’s progress !!!

  429. Celline Says:

    @ U.. know what I just was thinking ? Bible sais” in the last days brother against brother.. everyone against everyone….” used my own words, but u know the scripture.
    Thinking about it, because of the many friends, even brothers.. that I lost because of me being a Christian.. and because of the happening stuff, that I know about, and they DON’T believe it.
    I think, it fits w. those scriptures.

  430. Ursa Major Says:

    Celline, I am glad you are feeling a bit better. You are asking how my English got so good? I read and read and read. At the beginning, 30 years ago, I read English books that were quite over my head, like “Worlds in Collision” by Velikovsky, for instance. I obviously didn’t understand it all. But every time I didn’t understand a word, I’d look it up. It was hard work.

    I do research on many subjects, and I very rarely read novels. As a result, my vocabulary expanded rapidly. I have a feel for language and spelling, in both German and English. Plus, I worked very hard at pronunciation as well. I am a perfectionist, and I was determined to speak, write and read English as well as any native born Canadian.

    And while I haven’t been able to completely eradicate my German accent (I was already 25 when I came to Canada), I have succeeded in every other way.

    I am not sure demons can breed, as angels (and demons are fallen angels) are not sexual beings, they are asexual.

  431. Ursa Major Says:

    I meant, how my English got to be so good? I am exhausted and can’t think clearly, must go to bed.

  432. clark Says:

    Your pilot friend most likely had to sign a National Security Letter saying he would never comment on chemtrails and the like. TPTB uses and threatens what a person cherishes most to compel them to act or not to act. Protecting, is what they think they are doing by remaining silent.
    The ones who refuse to obey, sometimes they disappear, or worse. How many whistle-blowers do you know of? Not many, I’ll bet.
    This will all change once the monetary system fails, much like in East Germany where people got to see their secret files after The Wall fell. Unless another disaster ends things sooner?


  433. Celline Says:

    @U… what about Gen:6 , the sons of God, and the daughters of men?
    It was part of the reason for the flood !
    Yes, I read much also, it is the best way to learn a language.
    Right, clark, personally, I don’t know any !

  434. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Ladies, I would not be so quick to relegate all theories about alien life as “demonic.”

    If I went back to the middle ages with a modern flashlight, people might think it some form of sorcery and burn me at the stake as a wizard or a witch for my “magic torch” when of course it is just simple technology the people of the time would be unfamiliar with.

    But, I understand your well-founded skepticism, as there are few topics as rife with crackpot theories and genuinely disturbed people as “UFO’s and Aliens.” But it is wrong to dismiss ALL such theories, for there is evidence that *something* is going on. Not all people who talk about aliens are kooks. It is very much like Will Storr wrote in his excellent book “Will Storr vs The Supernatural.” He described people in the book that were clearly crazy or trying to generate publicity with their “Ghost Hunting” but he also described very real and terrifying episodes in his research that shook him to the core. So in other words, not all the claims were real, neither were they all false. He also had the intellectual courage to confess he DID NOT KNOW exactly what was going on, only that something he could not explain had occurred.

    I disagree with your implied course of action; which is to automatically reject any notion of aliens as real because they must be demons sent from Satan himself. This seems a very medieval mind-set to me.

    I have studied Aleister Crowley, the occult, esoteric symbolism, etc. God knows my heart. I have NO INTEREST in becoming a practitioner of any occult practices or worship. But only by understanding these dark subjects have I become more effective at recognizing them and informing others about the evil agenda they represent.

    As I have mentioned on this blog several times, my study of the evil being inflicted on unsuspecting humanity has actually strengthened my conviction that God is real, and that there *is* an ongoing battle between good and evil. Evil especially reviles Christianity and the message of Jesus in the new testament, what does that tell us?

    You of course have every right to believe what you want. Just as many people choose to believe chemtrails are really only just “contrails.” As I mentioned previously, I did not believe 9/11 was an inside job until I opened my mind to the *possibility* that the Govt. was lying. Once I did that, and started to look critically at the evidence, the truth was obvious.

    Here are some YouTube clips that show UFO imagery from ancient and medieval artwork. This *proves* nothing in and of itself. You could make the argument that these are “demonic” craft flying around. But keep in mind, many of these images predate Christianity by a LONG time. I DON’T KNOW the answer to many of these questions, but I sure try and understand it. I also personally do not believe that if alien life exists and comes to this planet (whether to help us or hurt us) that it somehow negates the Bible. Perhaps they are part of creation too? Perhaps they are part of another creation? Who knows.

    I just share this with you and others because I think that a good person that sincerely is trying to research a difficult subject should have nothing to fear from a loving God. As Proverbs 8:11 clearly states:
    “for wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire can compare with her.”

    Here is an excerpt from “Ancient Aliens”

    Here is one brief compilation that has some interesting visuals:


  435. Celline Says:

    @ Founding, Unless one has a ” one to one” real, and ” born again” relationship w. the Living God.. one would be very vulnerable to all kinds of things. Unless one is given wisdom, which is a Gift.. one has no way of discerning any of these things. It just is not humanly possible.
    And, like you said.. we have no way of knowing for sure.
    these are things spiritually discerned.
    From where I stand, I have never ever heard of a good experience w. above mentioned confrontations.. or happenings.
    We have been told clearly in scripture, that Satan is the prince of the power of the air. This is why I would never trust any encounters of above mentioned kind. There are of course real encounters one can have w. God. These create a peace and a joy and a ” knowing” in you, that is indescribable. Now.. to know for sure.. if it is good or evil.. one has to test the Spirits 1. John 4. This is the ultimate test, to know.. what type of an encounter one has. All and everything has to “jive” w. the written word of God. If is does not….. it’s of the enemy of our soul.
    To read and read the Word , so that it comes to mind in any situation, is the most important thing one can do, in order to be safe !
    This is the stand I take, and I have never been dissappointed or felt ‘ Let Down “!
    By the way.. how about a new “page “? we are getting real spacetight again.
    good night.. and thank you.

  436. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Celline you said: “From where I stand, I have never ever heard of a good experience w. above mentioned confrontations.. or happenings.”

    If that is the case then you have not read you Bible or you have no clue what it says like most all of the churches.

  437. solsburyhill Says:

    Re Niburu – it appears as if it is 11 October 2011 that we will have to keep in our minds…


    The thread is quite long, but nonetheless quite interesting.

  438. solsburyhill Says:

    By the way, has any of you had a closer look at Denver International Airport (DIA)?

    This place is indeed creepy!

  439. AntiLieGuy Says:

    solsburyhill: awesome link to ATS. The date of the cataclysms in there is stated as 10-2011 and that prefectly fits the Bible saying the war will be two years before the great earthquake. The war that destroys America (the Mountains of Israel), will be on 10-10-09.

  440. solsburyhill Says:


    ATS should in general terms perhaps be taken with a grain of salt, but the thread I linked to above has indeed something special to it, which can not be simply referred to the skunk section.

    I don’t know about you guys, but I have for some time now had a funny feeling inside me that something big and awful is going to happen soon. I seem to be in a kind of a waiting mode right now just living for the day. I can’t really explain it, but nothing really seem to excite me anymore. It’s just weird.

  441. AntiLieGuy Says:

    solsburyhill, yes I know what you mean. I have compiled news and ancient texts to show people what is coming. Read it if you want to know. the ET_MAN is not telling the most important date to Americans, which is 10-10-09.


  442. ericswan Says:

    Celline & Ursa. I don’t know where to start. Maybe here…do not be deceived. What does that mean to you? Live under a rock. You have already labelled me as a new ager/antichrist for making the statement that the bible didn’t arrive in your hot little hands direct from God. It was adulterated for thousands of years before you got to see it. Be that as it may, the truth in the bible requires discernment. That gift you call wisdom coupled with that other gift which Jesus promised; the Comforter.

    As far as aliens and ufo’s I’m in the dark (no pundit intended). I don’t know if these are physical beings manifesting spiritual or spiritual manifesting the physical. I have no proof of their existence. I am I and that ego wants it all.

    The “whistleblower” on Camelot will be interviewed on radio “TODAY”. He has credentials. He’s a scientist.

    He works for the PTB …http://pearl1.lanl.gov/external/Research/peterson_fellow.html

    I’ve never heard of him. Might be because they don’t want us to know what kind of work he is doing. As I said, he will be interviewed live on radio “TODAY”.


    Project Camelot just started this radio program. I don’t know anything about it. I doubt I will be able to listen to this particular program and will have to wait for a transcript through the project camelot website.

    Now, if it isn’t too much trouble let me repeat myself. I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ. The last promise Jesus made to the disciples was that a Comforter would come before he returns. I keep an open mind about aliens. I haven’t read anywhere, where life in the universe is prohibited. Do I think they are evil? Do I think they are here? Do I think they will intercede on our behalf?

    I don’t know.

  443. solsburyhill Says:


    Thank you. Interesting compilation you’ve made.

    We should keep in mind that wars are not usually what they seem to be. It is “bread and entertainment” for the masses. Wars are not fought between nations, as they would like us to believe, but between the ruling/financial elite and the masses for the former to advance their agenda. We should keep this in mind whenever we hear about “conflicts” being built up with other nations.

  444. solsburyhill Says:


    I only saw now that you have already covered DIA extensively on your site.

    Sorry for that.

  445. foundingfather1776 Says:


    No problem. I am glad you are checking out the other items I have posted. As important as chemtrails are, they are but one piece of the puzzle.

    I hope everyone will browse through the other categories and articles. A few I have written myself, but most are from other authors. If I post something, it is because I sincerely believe it is worthy of your time and consideration.



  446. Celline Says:

    @Eric.. dear eric: The Comforter CAME….. when Jesus ascended.
    He is w. us here right now.
    Discernment and wisdom.. come from asking for it… and the Holy Spirit.
    Can or Will alien Beings intercede for us? NO !!!
    The only intersessor between God and men.. is Christ Jesus.
    Nothing changes the Truth of scripture.. and these 2 Truth, are in there.. just read up again, ok?

  447. Celline Says:

    Eric, I forgot one very important thing.
    Without the Holy Spirit.. one can not be saved and be a born again t. It is He who opens eyes and ears… it is He who points to Jesus.. and it is He who leads us to Christ.
    When Jesus ascended, his followers were griefstricken.. and Jesus said:” I will go, but I will send you the Comforter…..”, so, Eric, He is here and NOW. Gospels, and other scriptures in the NT tell you this.
    I will look it up again and give you the exact place to look for.. don’t have it in my head..
    til later..

  448. Celline Says:

    @Eric.. as promised, here it is: John 14 : 16
    John 15: 26, 27

  449. ericswan Says:

    John (14:16) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

    (26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John (15:26) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    John (16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

  450. ericswan Says:

    Thanx Celline. That radio program linked above is done. If you didn’t “hear” it, I will bring up the salient points. This is a fourth person report as it was a conversation that took place between Pete Peterson “the whistleblower” and the project Camelot sponsers, Kerry and Bill. Fourth person as it was transcribed to notes a couple weeks ago…

    ..Obama has booked time with 60 Minutes for Nov. 27, 2009 to announce the presence of aliens.

    …this may be a project bluebeam with holograms..ie..a fake alien invasion.

    ..mandatory flue vaccine to be announced July 27, 2009.

    ..shipment of signs to California…’THIS AREA IS UNDER MARTIAL LAW’

    ..movie “33 Minutes” will portray nuclear terrorism slated for the midwest and released to the public in the fall.

    ..the planet is within 10 months of the point of no return.

    ..demons can inhabit humans or aliens..

    ..they have quasar spiritual abilities to travel the universe at will.

    ..leave…the U.S.A. now…

  451. Celline Says:

    Thank you Eric…. to live in CA is indeed scary, and if I knew where to go, I’d be outa here in a flash ! I feel something, that I can not explain differently.. other than, Terribly dark and scary.
    By the way Eric: Humans can indeed be inhabited by demons.. aliens however… ok I’ll let u answer what I want to say, cause u know what I’m thinking by now !

  452. Ursa Major Says:

    Eric, I never said you are evil or the antichrist or anything even close to that. I am saying, beware of getting sucked into stuff.

    Actually, when people compare today’s Bibles with ancient writings, they are always amazed at how it has NOT been adulterated. God stops that from happening. It has been faithfully copied, word for word, many times.

    Some translations are better than others. Unfortunately, a couple leave out whole sentences or paragraphs at times. But the Bible has survived complete for a very long time.

    Okay, I misunderstood you, thinking you definitely believe in aliens that came from another planet. But you are not sure, you just know they appear. And they do, of course. But I believe they are spiritual beings that manifest in a physical way, and can also make ‘spacecraft’ appear to people.

    I also have a feeling that something terrible is going to happen soon. I do have a tendency to know these things. For instance, when I meet somebody who is going to die soon, I usually know it.

    When we went to visit my family in Germany in May of 1986, I knew that it was the last time I would see my mother, and begged my husband to take our son, and not just the baby, so she could meet him. Of course, he didn’t believe me and we didn’t take the boy. And she died in August.

    I knew when my father was going to die, and when I saw a friend who could not recover from the ‘flu’ (which turned out to be leukemia), I knew he was dying before he knew it.

    I get premonitions about other things, too. And I have been feeling that something dreadful will happen soon. Of course, I am being made fun of, so I am keeping my mouth shut for the most part.

    Besides, there is a REASON for those chemtrails, and it isn’t a good one. They are stepping up the attack, why?

    Celline, it could be true that they are planning something ‘special’ for California. If you can leave, you might want to consider it.

    The same goes for your valley, NMS. It appears to be under more attack than other places. If you can leave, do, it doesn’t seem safe there any more.

    By the way, I have noticed that a lot of pine trees are dying. I haven’t seen any honeybees at all this year (my daughter living a 20 minute drive north of here has, though), and I haven’t seen a single ladybug, either.

    Of course, they may have killed off the ladybugs by bringing in those orange Japanese ones a few years ago to kill the aphid pests. They turned out to be a horrible pest for several years, during which time they bred with our red ones (the government claimed they couldn’t do that, too bad they were wrong), producing dark orange ones that bite. And now there are no ladybugs at all.

    We usually have lots of sparrows, and certainly did in the spring, But now I don’t ever seem to see any. And we have had relentless spraying. I hope they are not all dead.

    Our silver maple has a lot of dying leaves, that turned black and shriveled up. Our one son-in-law claims that either the tree is dying (it is only 20 years old), or else it is ‘just normal acid rain’. He scoffs at me suggesting it might be chemtrails.

  453. Celline Says:

    Uschi.. what is MNS ? About pinetrees: I have watched them die.. as of about 30 years ago.. up in Idaho and Montana. Then it krept South, and now it’s happening here too. Could it be a bug? Usually fires happen w. all those dead trees, true for here 4 sure.
    I too have those ( I think terrible ) premonitions about people who will die soon. It bothered me something terrible, and I asked the Lord to take this away from me. It all started when I was about 10 years old, I remember it well. I no longer have this.. as asked for, the Lord took it away ;o) I don’t ever want it again.
    Ladybugs.. none here.. whatsoever. Honeybees.. many dead ones on the ground, yet this year.. we have many live ones too.
    No changes w. the birds. Let me ask you please, WHY do you think, California has something terrible coming, Why California? Is there a certain reason why u think this?
    I would leave, but where would I go? I would love to go ” back home” but.. eh.. who would take me in? lol.. for a week yea.. many would, but longer than that? ( Company stinks after 3 days ) remember that saying ? And to buy property elsewhere would be financially impossible… etc etc etc.. besides. my kids are here.
    It does not matter where I go or where I am, I feel something very dark and foreboding looming, so heavily so, that it feels like a heavy load on me, physically. It definitely is a warning.. am asking the Lord all the time what to do w. this ” for-knowledge”. This type of for knowledge.. I still have.. the other type though.. is gone, and I am thankful.
    OK.. please U, would u answer my question? Thank you.

  454. Celline Says:

    @solsbury < yes am aware of the Denver airport and all it's weirdness.
    Also, there are underground tunnels big enough to let trucks turn around.
    After every section of that airport was finished, the contractors were fired and new ones hired for the next phase. I don't want to have to land there.. it's suppose to be beyond spooky w. all the masonic symbolisms. and " camps" and huge fenced in areas w. the fence section,turned inward. All in all a huge and mysterious project, and one has to wonder.. what the heck the taxpayer was forced to pay for. Just like those damn chems. paid for by the taxpayers, who were not informed what they are paying for. It all just suxxx.

  455. Celline Says:

    Post did not post !
    @Sols 2. post, yes, aware of that spooky airport w. all the masonic symbolisms. After certain sections were completet the contractor was fired and a new one hired. So.. the right hand doesen’t know what the left was doing. Long underground tunnels, where trucks are able to turn around. ” Camps ” huge fenced areas.. with inward turned fenceposts.
    As mysterious as the chems, the taxpayer paid for it, and wasen’t told what his money was used for. Disgusting and scary.

  456. clark Says:

    Celline Says: WHY do you think, California has something terrible coming, Why California? Is there a certain reason why u think this?

    For just one reason, maybe you don’t know anything about the financing of the State of California? Many don’t.
    They are broke, in debt, and can’t stop spending, and now they may be giving out I.O.U.’s as payments to many state workers, unless they tax the people HARD or get bailed out somehow which many say will not happen. There is going to be a huge financial crash in California, a whole lot of other bad things will result from this (and some good ones too) but there will be turmoil and change. It’s a somewhat nice place, but I wouldn’t want to be there for those reasons alone.

    Still no chemtrails… perhaps none until after the Fourth?

    I saw a huge cloud bank I’ve never seen before. Like cotton candy which took the shape of the ice cliffs at the point where a glacier meets the ocean – same size.

  457. Celline Says:

    @ Clark, Thanx, but u told me nothing I did not already know.
    Years ago.. I heard the same thing about NY, WHO bailed them out ???
    Same story I heard about other States be4.
    Can’t stop spending? Who’s fault is that? Certainly not the people’s.
    ” Somewhat nice place” ? Fine.. stay where u are.. we have enough peeps who love the climate. You got it, I am angry. Maybe not even at you personally.. but just at the whole damn mess.
    California might have the most decadent people in the world, yet on the other hand, I never met any nicer people… than in broke, decadent, crazy.. Gold and formerly Blue, gorgeous California !

  458. ericswan Says:

    The chemtrails tied in with HAARP are causing the drought in California. That puts water at the top of the list and it’s being used to drive farmers into bankruptcy along with the state. Civil unrest will erupt in California first because the safety net has and will continue to deteriorate and the people on the street will be forced to extremes. Farmers forced off their land, water at a premium, and all for the worship of mammon.

  459. clark Says:

    “the whole damn mess.”

    It’s different this time.

  460. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Ursa: Those premonitions you have..that is the beginning to really being born again. God made us in His image and Jesus told us that we are gods ourselves if only we learn to know ourselves. This is the knowledge that was stamped out during the “christian” crusades and is the knowledge still held by the illuminati. The angels, or good aliens, they watch us continually looking at our souls, how we develop them, and what we use it for. All ancient civilizations had this knowledge and some tried to preserve it. There is a good bit of information here about it from the Hawaiian people: http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/ssbm/index.htm

  461. Celline Says:

    @clark, again, nothing new, I know this terrible drought is caused by the chems.” This time it’s different”, isen’t new either, we know, the time of great testing has begun, and it will wax worse, as nothing will ever be the same again !Today they are the typical ” popcorn” “lumpy cream of wheat ” kind.. this seems to be their newest ones, because they look a bit like cumulous. Not to the trained eye, but to everyone else.
    Dude, premonitions are N O T the Beginning of Born Again.. where on earth did u get that one? You are heavily influenced by NewAge.. but eh, since u tossed that one at Uschi, I can’t wait for her to give you her ” Take” on that one ..lolol !

  462. Ursa Major Says:

    Dude, I know that those premonitions have absolutely NOTHING to do with being born again. You get born again when you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour, and ask the Holy Spirit to live inside of you.

    I am just more sensitive spiritually than many other people, and I wished I wouldn’t get those premonitions, because I’d prefer not to know when others are going to die.

    And there is NO WAY that Jesus told us we are gods ourselves if we get to know ourselves. Where in the Bible did you find that?

    There are religions (like Mormonism, which is a cult, and others) that claim we can become gods if we live a perfect life (which isn’t possible for any human). But Christianity is not one of them.

    The knowledge still held by the Illuminati is from Satan, as you should know. And Satan is the great deceiver, and would like for people to believe that they can be as gods. That is what he told Eve in the Garden of Eden, and look what mess that resulted in.

    Celline, I meant to say ‘NMS’ farther up, as in ‘Nightmareskies’. Her valley is in great trouble, I wouldn’t want to live there, it is bad enough here.

  463. Ursa Major Says:

    Oh, and I stumbled upon this image, look at the background!

    The gigantic gay homosexual flag, Castro

  464. Anonymous Says:

    Luke 17:21 – Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

    John 10:34 – Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    1 Corinthians 1, 7-11 – Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

    Those are pieces of the puzzle but much is missing. The “christian” crusades (among others) were used to find and stamp out all knowledge of true spirituality. This is why the Bible is incomplete on the subject. This knowledge was removed so that the few could control the many. it worked.

  465. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Luke 17:21 – Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

    John 10:34 – Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    1 Corinthians 1, 7-11 – Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

    Those are pieces of the puzzle but much is missing. The “christian” crusades (among others) were used to find and stamp out all knowledge of true spirituality. This is why the Bible is incomplete on the subject. This knowledge was removed so that the few could control the many. it worked.

  466. AntiLieGuy Says:

    this forum seriously needs a delete feature.

  467. Ursa Major Says:

    The ‘spirit’ Jesus talks about is the Holy Spirit, which all true believers have in them, and it guides them. It also is what gives us the gifts, which is why they are called the ‘gifts of the Holy Spirit’.

    And ‘the Kingdom of God is within you’ means, again, we have the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ within us. It doesn’t mean WE are gods, but that God is within us, represented by the Holy Spirit.

    The quote in John 10:34 was taken from Psalm 82 (Jesus assumed that those Pharisees knew their scriptures and would recognize this quote). This psalm says:

    A psalm of Asaph
    God takes His stand in His own congregation;
    He judges in the midst of the rulers.
    How long will you judge unjustly
    And show partiality to the wicked?
    Vindicate the weak and fatherless;
    Do justice to the afflicted and destitute;
    Rescue the weak and needy;
    Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

    They do not know, nor do they understand;
    They walk about in darkness;
    All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
    I said “You are gods,
    And all of you are sons of the Most High.
    Nevertheless you will die like men
    And fall like any of the princes.”
    Arise, oh God, judge the earth!
    For it is you who possesses all the nations.

    Who knows what it really means, but I am sure it DOESN’T mean that God says that we are all gods.

    By the way, the crusades came after the Muslims had invaded much of Europe, including all of Spain, and after finally being driven out of Europe, then tried invading from the East.

    So, to say that those crusades against the Muslims were unprovoked is nonsense. Also, the Muslims had killed millions of Christians in North Africa and taken over all those countries, like Morocco, and the remaining Christians had ‘dhimmi’ status, they were second-class citizens without rights or voice (which is still the way it is for Christians in Muslim countries).

  468. Ursa Major Says:

    Dude, this is a blog, not a forum, which is why it doesn’t have certain features. But I agree, I wished we’d have many features, like an ‘edit’ feature, and a delete feature would certainly be useful.

  469. Celline Says:

    Dude, the thing is, God does nothing incomplete, nothing. If you know the word, and I mean REALLY KNOW it, then, as Ursula said earlier, to have Jesus be your personal Lord and Saviour ( which is yours for the asking for it ! ) After you repent of your sins, God can be yours in the most personal way ! Then you will fully understand the word, and see, there’s nothing missing. O yes, they tried ( catholocism ) they killed millions to force the masses to convert to this 1/2 OldBabylon, 1/2 Christian, religion. Of course, this mixture of occult and christianity = equals ; Occult ! And that is what is ruling our world. You see.. God kept secrets ( his return, the time ,is one ) and He knows how limited our brainpower is. That’s where Faith comes in, it is what pleases God most, look at the story of Abraham ! That was Faith ! Even if there would be things, ” they ” took out of the bible, which I do not believe, there’s too much in there, for anyone to grasp all of it. In other words I am plenty busy w. the things that I can grasp and read ! We now are seeing prophecies come true, as never be4. There are signs everywhere that tell us.. that God will have to intervene be4 we destroy ourselves and the whole earth. I can’t explain a lot either, no one can, but this I know : Without my Faith in God, I would despair, and I can’t see how anyone can live and be happy anymore, w. all the things that are happening, w.out HIM. Dude, I can’t explain better than I tried, but I told u the Truth.
    It is up to you and your free will.. to believe or not. It is our choice to turn our lives over to God, but anyone who asks, will in no way turned away, Noone !

  470. Celline Says:

    well, here we go, now we have fullblown bible discussions… this Blog goes everywhere, and people stick w.it, and discuss things, diff opinions and world views. Suddenly, discussions ultimately end up at:” Who is it, that has a purpose for our lives, and WHO are we.. really ?
    Who are we, and where are we going ? The ultimate question, that only God can answer…

    good night, til we meet again.

  471. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Heres another good one from John 14:12:

    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

  472. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Celline: we already determined they removed text from the Bible. The Bible makes reference to Jasher, Thomas and Enoch but they arent included.

  473. Celline Says:

    indeed !Bottomline :” He that believeth in me….” there it is ! There HE is ;o)

  474. clark Says:

    So much for my record. They were probably flying yesterday above the clouds too, with the sky being white out it was hard to tell, but today, I saw a few of them above the clouds… the kind that causes aggravation. Ugh. I was glad for a few days though.
    The silver lining in the clouds. That expression is not quite the same for me now.

  475. AntiLieGuy Says:

    yes but the way to perform His works has been removed and the holders of such information murdered. There is a little more than believing because although you say you believe, you can not do His works. This takes much work, devotion, and patience. sometimes it takes a lifetime but it begins with believing and following His commandments.

  476. AntiLieGuy Says:

    I havent seen any chemtrails but the white shit in the air is still there around the areas where the chemtrails were obvious.

  477. Nightmareskies Says:

    Clark, where are u located ?

  478. Nightmareskies Says:

    Now I’m going to dive into the Biblical discussion ( against my better judgement : – )

    I was a Christian…now I’m Christian-ish.

    Last winter as I was in the depths of chemtrail despair , one of my girlfriends who recently converted to Catholicism urged me to turn to the scriptures for comfort. Well, as usual, when I stick to reading the gospels things go more or less smoothly but inevitably I end up in rocky territority. As a woman, St. Paul’s views of women as second class people continued to irritate me , not to mention the dreaded Romans 13 with its heinous submission to wordly authority. Something was wrong with this picture. It struck me as anti-Jesus.

    What happened? How did Christianity , which is supposed to be based on the loving and righteous teachings of Jesus , turn into an absolute bloodbath of torture and forced conversion for century after endless century ?

    Why did the Pauline writings come to dominate the New Testament rather than the works and teachings of Jesus himself?

    The Jerusalem Church ( the Nazarenes, later to be called the Ebionites) was established by Peter and Jesus’ brother James . These Jerusalem Church apostles were the close confidantes and comrades of Jesus .They had ongoing contact with Jesus and , in spite of their somewhat limited understanding at times, they alone were in a position to understood Jesus’ teachings better than anyone .The Jerusalem Church apostles ( Messianic Jews )were the direct and rightful heirs of the teachings of Jesus. And they were often at odds with Paul. Why ? And it was Paul , the man who never even met Jesus, who triumphed . Why ?

    Why were the Jerusalem Church followers persecuted , first by the Romans and then by the Roman Catholic Church itself ? By the yr 300 this church was persecuted out of existence and nearly all of its writings destroyed.

    Do you find these questions troubling ? I did. So, I embarked on a quest to find some answers.

    First of all, Jesus was never a Christian. He was a Jew. And he was a PRACTICING Jew . He didn’t annul the Jewish religious practices or ceremonies or holy days, in fact he made it clear that the scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat ( despite their hypocrisy ). I don’t recall Jesus ever instructing his apostles to create NEW holy days after his death ( Christmas, Easter, etc. ). Yet, the Christian faith practiced today ,in all its various incarnations, is most definitely not the religion practiced by its founder. It is radically different.

    The Old Testament details the political and spiritual history of the Jews. In these terms, the NT is somewhat lacking. The Pharisees, Sadducees, and apostles are at best shadowy and confusing figures existing in a near political vaccum. In fact , until I looked into it, I often confused the Pharisees and Sadducees,interchanged them or considered them as synonymous ie :Jews with religious authority. In truth,the Pharisees and Sadducees were very different from each other.
    1st century Judaism was a diverse religion. There were many active sects, among them the Nazarenes, Essenes, Zealots, and of course the Pharisees and Sadducees. Todays rabbis are descended from the Pharisees.

    Pharisees believed in the living God, angels and demons, a day of judgement after death, and resurrection and eternal life of the soul. They believed God was all wise, all knowing, just and merciful. The Pharisees followed the written law ( ie: the Torah),but in addition they implemented an oral law ( the SPIRIT of the law). They also believed everyone had the power within themselves to choose between good or evil. Pharisees were mostly ” blue-collar “.

    In contrast, the Sadducees were the wealthy elite. They did NOT believe in angels or demons or the resurrection and they enforced the letter of the law while rejecting the Pharisaic spirit of the law ( and please note that ” law” in this context means the law written in parts of the Old Testament aka the Torah).The Sadducees were politically connected with the Roman occupiers that the Jews were struggling to free themselves from. In essence, Sadducees were Roman quislings who were put in charge of the temple. The chief temple priest , Caiphus ,was a Sadducee. It was the role of the Sadducees to see that the Jews were kept submissive and obedient to the pagan idol worshippers – the Roman occupiers. After all, anybody who threatened Roman authority, at the same time also threatened the cushy jobs of the Roman quisling Sadducees. Jesus ( as King of the Jews ) was just such a threat.

    Jesus often chastised the Pharisees, the priests, and the rest of the religious authorities as hypocrites. And yet he hung out with the Pharisees, wined and dined with them, and it was a Pharisee who warned Jesus that Herod wanted to kill him. What’s up with that ? I think it’s important to note that Jesus criticized the behavior of the Pharisees as being hypocritical for not practicing what they preached. But he did not criticize the Pharisee SPIRITUAL TEACHINGS . Pharisee spiritual teachings did not conflict with the spiritual teachings of Jesus. In fact more and more historical scholars are putting forth the proposition that Jesus himself may have been a Pharisee and that the rebukes he directed towards the Pharisees were in essence family disputes. Don’t forget that Jesus was a faithful, practicing Jew himself.
    To complicate things further, there were many subsets among the Pharisees themselves ie: school of Shamai, Hillel etc. Think of Shamai as ” conservative” and Hillel as ” liberal”, So when Jesus criticized some of the policies of the Pharisees ( eg divorce rulings), in all probability he was having a policy dispute with one or another of the various Pharisee sects.

    I’ll briefly mention the Sanhedrin – the Jewish high council, or supreme court, if you prefer . The Sanhedrin was dominated by the aristocratic Sadducees . But because these elitists were disliked by the Jewish commoners, the Sadducees often had to bend to the wishes and opinions of the popular Pharisees.

    In Acts 5 …it was Gamaliel in the Sanhedrin who saved the apostles lives from the Sadducee high priest. Gamaliel was a Pharisee, the grandson of the great Pharisee teacher, Hillel.

    Anyway, that’s enough for now. Sorry if I’ve bored you guys with the Pharisee and Sadducee info ( perhaps most of you already knew this ? ) but it was really quite pivotal for me in gaining at least a rudimentary understanding of 1st century Judaism and the part that the Jewish gentleman, Jesus , played in it.

  479. Nightmareskies Says:

    I apologize for the bad spelling in my previous post. I was half asleep when I wrote it.

  480. Nightmareskies Says:

    From Hyam Maccoby’s book ” The Mythmaker ” an excerpt :

    ” An important indication that the stories about Pharisee opposition to Jesus on the question of sabbath healing are not to be taken at face value is the fact that there is no mention of this charge at Jesus’ trial….. Why, in fact is there no mention of ANY charges brought specifically by the Pharisees at Jesus’ trial ? As we shall see in the next chapter, Jesus’ trial was not on religious charges at all, but on political charges …If the trial really had been a religious one , who better than the Pharisees, the alleged bitter religious enemies of Jesus to play the most prominent part in the proceedings ? The question really ought to be shifted to the opposite extreme and put in this form :why was it that the Pharisees did not DEFEND Jesus at his trial, in the same way that Gamaliel , the leader of the Pharisees,defended Jesus’ disciple Peter when the latter was put on trial before the religious Sanhedrin ? The answer is that the Pharisees were not even present at Jesus’ trial , which was not before the religious Sanhedrin, but before the political tribunal in which the High Priest, as representative and henchman of the Romans,presided over a court of his own minions.”

    end quote.

    This was a very informative book. I found parts of it on the internet :


  481. AntiLieGuy Says:

    NMS: I dont dig into it all like that. What I have found is that over half the Bible is about the coming war on 10-10-09. Every book from Isaiah to the end of the OT (except jonah) is all about this war. Most of Psalms is about this war. It is talked about in many other books of the Bible.

    The ‘elite’ did inspire the christian crusades where they proceeded to eliminate all writings regarding true spirituality and they also lied to us over the centuries about who we (Europeans and Americans) really are — the real Israelites.

  482. AntiLieGuy Says:

    They started up the mega spraying today. 3 at a time…now the sky is gone again. Nibiru Cometh!

  483. ericswan Says:

    Kamloops is getting X:d out this morning. Supposed to go up to 90 today and on days like this, the sun is obliterated by noon. So far, I’ve seen 3 in the sky at the same time. That’s the only way an X can hang.

    Nightmareskies.. enjoyed your interpretation of Paul and concur with the opinions you share. I believe Jesus visited the Essenes to express his ministry. There is an internet site that reports the Essene position on the Teacher. This is one of those suppressed docs found in the Vatican. I’m sure you would benefit from the read.


  484. Ursa Major Says:

    Nightmareskies, I completely agree with most of what you say. But the problem with Paul’s teachings is not that he was anti-female, but that what he said has been misinterpreted and taken out of context by the church all this time.

    An excellent book to read would be ‘Why not women?’ http://www.amazon.ca/Why-Not-Women-Scripture-Leadership/dp/1576581837/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246731292&sr=1-1

    The authors really opened my eyes to the truth. For instance, when Paul said for women to be quiet in church, he meant this: All Jewish boys of that time went to Torah school and learned to read, write and memorize the WHOLE Torah by the time they were twelve years old.

    Girls and women were second class citizens in Jesus’ time, and didn’t get any schooling, unless the father would teach them (and I am sure some did).

    So, what likely happened was, that the women would constantly interrupt, wanting to know what the teacher was saying, because they didn’t understand.

    Paul asked the women to be quiet during the service, and told the men to TEACH their wives at home, so they could understand, too. Meaning, the men were supposed to likely teach their wives to read, write, and understand the scriptures, so they would understand what was happening in church.

    How is that anti-women? It was unprecedented to expect the men to teach their wives, to make them equals! Before, they were more like servants.

    Too bad that first the Catholic church took that teaching, and used it to make women second class citizens! And they (and still a lot of churches, including my own) LOVE to quote the teaching on submission. In fact, I’ve been told that I ‘better submit’ myself. I don’t take kindly to that. Hence, conflict in my own home.

    Google ‘Catholic teachings’, ‘catechism’ and ‘magic pope’ , and you’ll soon realize that the Catholic church is NOT the true church at all, but rather a counterfeit cult, run by Satan himself.

    And even though Martin Luther was certainly on the right track, he didn’t go far enough in rescuing the church, and make it again the way Jesus would have wanted it to be (not to mention that Luther was VERY anti-Jewish).

    I agree with you about Easter, Christmas and other holidays, too. First of all, there is plenty of evidence that Jesus was born in September, possibly two or more years before they claim he was born. Secondly, he didn’t rise on Sunday morning. And you’re right, he was a practicing Jew.

    Mind you, he also said to take the gospel to the whole world. You can’t expect everybody to become Jewish, and he wouldn’t have wanted that.

    The Catholics twisted the Gospel in such a way, that God without doubt rejects their teachings. Catholics are NOT Christians. Mormons seriously believe they are Christians, too. But both Catholicism and Mormonism are cults, they are not Christian at all, despite some similarities.

  485. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Open your minds and read a lot of other stuff and you will find they removed a lot from the Bible, everything to do with true spirituality, UFOs, and Nibiru. The most important being spirituality because when we become like Jesus (as He said we could) then the governments and NWO can not lie to us and control us anymore. This is the knowledge they set out to destroy and also to make the real Israelites forget who they are….they have had tremendous success, havent they?

  486. Celline Says:

    @ Uschi, interesting, I did not read those books.
    Dude, to become like Jesus, this heavily involves the Holy Spirit, who teaches us all things. To become like Jesus.. means that first, we have to belong to Him ( see my above explanation ). Then and only then will the Holy Spirit teach us things we previously could not comprehend.
    The Letter is dead, the Holy Spirit gives it Life !
    Indeed we become like Jesus.. once we listen to the H S.. who will teach us all things .
    We will understand things, that non-Christians will never comprehend.
    Prenominitions are no longer just ” premonitions” yet HS inspired and given things. Hard to explain, Uschi would know what I mean, and maybe she can explain it better than I can

  487. ericswan Says:

    Celline ….where does this come from..”The Letter is dead, the Holy Spirit gives it Life !”?

    John (16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    The spirit of truth “hears” and “speaks”. Are you saying that this spirit is inside you? He is a spirit and he is a he.

  488. Celline Says:

    The Holy Spirit is a Person, and yes, He lives in those, who belong to Jesus Christ. 2 Corr 3 :6 “Who also has made us able ministers of the New Testament:not of the letter but of the Spirit: For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives Life !” This are the exact words.. above I paraphrased using my own words !
    I have not seen our skies the way they look today in ages.
    Not one chem, it is crystal clear and deep Blue.
    Like the old California skies used to be.
    I wonder if this is suppose to be a 4th of July gift?

  489. clark Says:

    @Nightmareskies, I am in what’s known as the Midwest of the US., Iowa to be exact, and you? I’m sorry I forgot if you mentioned it earlier.

    AntiLieGuy Says: … There is a little more than believing

    Yup, devils believe and do tremble. It’s not enough for them, nor us.
    I worry I might fall short of the part after believe.

    I am so sick of white shit in the sky. White skys at day- oh… ho…

    I met with a woman close to me, aged, she was out of it, watching the rain, she told me this, kind of, “from out of the blue” (HA! there‘s another saying that has a whole new meaning for me): “…there is nothing else to do but to watch it rain and wait until the rain stops coming down and goes back up.”
    [ericswan Says: …John (16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.]

    “…Goes back up” As if from a Voodoo movie or something. Take it for what you will. I was thrown off a bit to say the least. I thought of Dudes, “rains from all the mountains, etc…” comment and I think he only had it half-way right. I was thinking of the disturbance to the earths magnetic field and what would happen to all the water on the earth if such were to occur. That magnetic wobbly effect – there is a scientific name that escapes me at the moment – it is supposed to happen every so often, and we are due for one. Such is backed up by those who follow the captains logs of old sea going sailing vessels and their magnetic compass logs of old. Archeologist study of sediment layers too, back this up. [How else did the water get in the sky pre-Noah days to fall for 40 days and nights straight?]

    Nightmareskies Says:…I often confused the Pharisees and Sadducees,interchanged them or considered them as synonymous

    Me too…. And, it’s not boring.

    [You all make me keep wondering what the Church destroyed that the Aztecs and Incas had written and symbolized, and the connection with LDS.]

    somewhat off topic:
    This seems so terribly evil, how can it be otherwise?:… NEVER Go to the Police for ‘Help’…

    A whole nother topic, but still the same topic:


    In that order, for decisions (not rights) and all are equal to God.

    How is that? Is that ok? A Book of Instruction Before Leaving Earth guide for married people basically, not for submissive rule of everyone. A kind of organizational flow chart for families so disputes are easily settled, arbitration is simple, and rules of conduct are not interpreted by many. If everyone in a family were to interpret, the result would be chaos, confusion, and discord by all. But at the same time, when a (stranger) man tells a woman to jump from the burning rooftop to the fireman’s inflatable catchum below, she should, in that manner of thinking. However; it is not simply, all men are the boss of all women, as NO man is the boss of my woman but ME (per her free will)- JMHO.

    Celline Says:… I wonder if this is suppose to be a 4th of July gift?

    If so, we didn’t get one. We have white skys and heavy rain… makes me think those aggravating chemtrails are rain inducing.

    [A long while back] ericswan Says: If anything, nano-technology is already being used to track us using satellites and to modify our DNA.

    When I first read that I had my doubt, now however; [smart dust is real + GMO] I have little doubt and I don’t like the idea at all, nor do I understand those who think this is a fine idea.

    stef Says: … Does anyone else here wonder why those chemtrails, that are perfectly noticeable to us, seem invisible to others?
    Aside from “they-are-dumb-as-dirt morons,” which cannot be denied, don’t you wonder why many refuse to even listen?
    Some “Book” must prophecy that in the endtimes only a fraction of the population(s) will be aware that all is not as it should be?

    I still wonder just that. I keep getting the idea running through my head of, “stiff-necked people” and it means just what it implies, neck is stiff cannot look up therefore cannot know or discern. It sure is an easy way to decide who to half-way trust.

    @Stef – if your still keeping up, I hope, for science and truth seeking sake, if Stef finds something interesting with his telescope he’d better come back N tell us what he finds, w/o trouble for da girls. LOL. [Like being friends with friends who can’t get along.] Oh wow, there must be lithium in the chemtrails now cause I feel pretty good.

    Aggravation causing chemtrails
    All white skys
    Lithium containing chemtrails
    clear skys

    I’m looking for a pattern in their method of madness.

  490. Nightmareskies Says:

    Hello all. Clark I’m in southern British Columbia, in the Okanagan Valley ( about 90 minutes from where ericswan lives ).

    This is all starting to feel like the book Shute wrote in the 1950s – ” On the Beach “- where the inhabitants of an Australian town await death as deadly radiation from devastating nuclear strikes in the northern hemisphere slowly drifts southward toward them. Still they cling to what they can. One Aussie couple plants a garden that they know they’ll never live to see mature. But they plant it and tend it anyway. That’s how I feel. I’m outside pruning, watering, weeding but my mind is never far from the toxic chem crap in the sky , my eyes constantly, neurotically drawn to the evil above me.

    Looking after my yard feels so strange to me now. I’ve planted so many different types of shrubberies and whatnot but I don’t think I’ll ever get to see them mature either. Oh, not so much because the CTs are making me sick but because it so dry, dry, dry. In my 40 yrs of living in this valley it has never been this deathly dry.Whatever aerosol agent they”re spraying us with is sucking every atom of moisture from everything – the air, the wood decks which are splitting, my skin which , in spite of massive aloe vera therapy, is beginning to resemble the Mojave desert, you name it , it is bone dry ! So, unless they change the spray agent or stop chemtrailing altogether, I know that water will become a great luxury here. And all my immature plants will be the first victims. Well, not the first. First they killed my bees and then all my sparrows. My dragonflies are toast now too. And I always had tons of the stunning, electric blue creatures .

    It’s all so evil and sick. Here we are in a valley with a 90 mile long and glacially deep lake surrounded by mountains that normally supplied us with adequate water runoff every spring….but instead every reservoir is in serious jeopardy thanks to the chems.

    Today was horrible. The sky terrorists were out in full force, from early morning till late evening.. Yesterday they sprayed the short, fat variety. Today it was the old stand-by – the long ” persistant contrails ” HA !

    It’s early AM here now and very spooky looking outside still. I look into the sky and there’s the almost full moon glowing faintly , hanging in suspended animation in the thick gray haze . Wicked, wicked, elites. They’ve turned the sky into a tailing pond for chemtrail sediment.

  491. Nightmareskies Says:

    AntiLieGuy, Dude, here’s another take on Nibiru :

    Author and researcher Gilbert Eriksen outlined both science and biblical prophecy regarding the return of Planet X (Wormwood) which he believes will have dire consequences for the Earth. Rather than a planet, he suggested that Wormwood is actually a brown dwarf star, a huge iron oxide ball on an elliptical orbit in our solar system, which has 60 times the mass of Jupiter. It transits toward us on an 1,800 year cycle and is currently quite close, he claimed.

    Eriksen maintained that NASA is aware of Wormwood’s presence through their satellite data, but is covering it up. The object can currently be seen by infrared telescopes in the Southern Hemisphere, and is inside the orbital radius of Neptune (Right Ascension: 18 h), he said. Prophecy in the Book of Revelation, such as the “moon became like blood” and “the sky was split apart like a scroll” refer to events brought about by Wormwood’s passage and could take place as early as this summer, he warned.

    Among the cataclysms we’ll see are meteorites hitting Earth, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes with huge tectonic shifts, and powerful tsunamis, he detailed. Unfortunately, the following summer (2010) will be even worse, as the methane atmosphere of Wormwood causes fire to rain down from the sky, and 1/3 of the Earth will be incinerated, Eriksen continued. For more on his “Wormwood Science” see this excerpt from his book.

    Did you happen to catch the Eriksen interview on Coast to Coast ? Pretty scary what he had to say.

    I hope he’s wrong and I hope you’re wrong too. Chemtrails , the NWO, no sunspots and the coming little iceage, combined with the economic collapse-that’s enough alright already…enough .

  492. Nightmareskies Says:

    Ericswan….thnx for the link.

    The Dead Sea Scrolls brought to light evidence of an apocalyptic Jewish sect in Qumran which may or may not have been the Essenes, although the majority of scholars concur that they WERE Essenes. But this Qumran community had a warlike spirit. So, were they Essene ? Who knows.

    We’re drowning in pseudoreligion, pseudoscience, pseudofood ( thank-you Monsanto ! ). My God, this really is a dimension of the deepest deception . While we can only grasp at some of the higher truths, much that we do know to be true is deliberately falsified and skewed to suit the agenda of the ruling elite power structure. And this would have to include any religion that establishes a power elite.

    And I can personally attest to the fact the Catholics have in their possession esoteric knowlege that is definitely excluded from the Bible texts. How do I know ? I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

    I believe I mentioned my woman friend who converted to Catholicism in one of my posts. Allow me to elaborate. Her name is Deb.

    Deb eats, breathes and sleeps the Catholic teachings and despite her crippling knee problems , she endured endless hours of painful kneeling on hard floors in order to fulfill her Catholic conversion requirements. I kept urging her to use a pillow because there were many times she could barely walk, but she refused. Anyway Deb is absolutely dedicated to her faith and almost her entire social life is consumed with various church activities and volunteering at the hospice. It seems like she spends just about every weekend at some or another Catholic teaching retreat . This is where it gets interesting.

    You wouldn’t believe what the Catholics are teaching at their healing retreats. I looked over the healing instruction books she was given. They blew me away . This was high level metaphysical information . Sure the information was couched in religious terms, but the books were essentially quantum healing manuals – how to perform energy work… no doubt about it.

    Deb told me that the Catholic Church is in the process of switching from the Jesuit orders to the Franciscan so maybe that has something to do with the release of this information. I don’t know. But I do know that Deb has always been a gifted healer and she is even more powerful now. In the name of Jesus and Mary ( the Catholics are BIG on Mary ) Deb performs minor miracles every day. She amazed the nurses in the hospice one day as she took away the pain from a dying woman who was crying and crying because she had a brain tumor and her pain meds were no longer effective. Within a few minutes of Deb’s healing, the woman saw Mary and her pain was gone. For good. Now, if Deb was reading this, I’d be in big trouble for saying she performs miracles. Oh not the miracle part, the fact that I said SHE performed them. She takes zero credit for her healings. None ! All credit goes to Jesus and Mary.

    But the Church has a long way to go. You see, Deb has had many experiences that she just won’t share with her priest or her Catholic friends. I think she’s scared they’ll consider her a heretic or something. She has visions and dreams ( some of them precognitive) and she’s had 2 near death experiences. So, she’s Catholic, I’m not, but I also have the dreams and limited healing and prophetic gifts. So when she has these wonderful ( but, sometimes also very terrifying ) experiences that are outside of proscribed church doctrine, Deb feels comfortable enough with me to share them. And sharing them is a good thing : – )

  493. Nightmareskies Says:

    Uschi, today’s Christian women , on the whole, are more free from male oppression than a lot of other religions so , to me, it’s not that important whether or not Paul was a misogynist .

    But what exactly is a ” real” Christian? It’s becoming as confusing as trying to figure out who a real Jew is .I spent a couple of years on the Haaretz forum ( English language Israeli paper) and believe me the Jews can’t even answer that question. Is a person a Jew because of bloodlines ? Mostly. Unless of course you happen to be Messianic Jew ( one who believes in Jesus), in which case both your mother and father can be Jewish but you are not welcome in Israel. On the other hand diaspora Buddhist Jews, Hindu Jews, and even atheist Jews with questionable Jewish bloodlines, are welcome and are automatically granted citizenship as soon as they set foot on Israeli soil . But not the Messianic Jews with impeccable bloodlines. They have to endure the 7 year bureaucratic citizenship process before they can claim Israeli citizenship.

    So, Bush claims to be a Christian. Millions of USA Christians voted for the man based solely on that claim. And then when we saw who Bush really was and the deliberate damage his policies caused, many of these Christian voters disowned Bush by saying he wasn’t a ” real ” Christian.

    But, what if Bush really does believe in Jesus ? Does it matter that Bush lied and gave the orders that killed or displaced millions of Iraqis, or is involved in the whole 911 cover-up and the chemtrail cover-up ? What if he was following NWO instructions, and for his own personal self-interest he went along with the agenda ? Does all this death and destruction matter if on his death bed Bush repented ? Would he then be a ” real ” Christian again ?

  494. ericswan Says:

    Nightmareskies..long name great results..hehe

    The Michael/Farrah passing has some interesting aspects related to the conjunction of 3 comets with the star Algol. Hyakutake on April 11, 1996; Hale-Bopp on April 10-11, 1997 and 17p/Holmes on Jan. 22, 2008. Algol is a bad omen for most and the conjuncts in 1997 precede the deaths of Mother Theresa, Diana and ?? in quick succession. My point is the math involved for 3 comets to conjunct the same star is astronomical X3.

    Perseus slays Medusa by using a mirror. The reflection I’m thinking about is the reflection of “as above, so below”. Here’s a link to that connectivity;

  495. clark Says:

    Just a few jets today, mostly free of them. Got some sun. No clouds at all by evening. The little spraying we did get was a fine mist, disipated quicker, but not right away. We felt tired from it, I think so anyway. There wasn’t any other apparent explanation for us both being sleepy at 5p.m. or, at about the same time the liitle chemtrailing we did get drifted down to ground level. I think it gave me heartburn, I rarely get heartburn.
    Still got sparrows, dragonflies, although seemingly not in great numbers. I haven’t seen a honey bee yet, some wasps though.
    And the 1950’s book continues…

  496. Ursa Major Says:

    Today and yesterday we had some crazy clouds. You know, we used to get large white clouds, that you could look at and see animals and stuff in. I’ve always loved watching clouds, even as a child, and my brothers and I would lie on the grass, look up at the clouds and see if we could find interesting shapes.

    But now ALL the clouds look the same, and are in neat rows. They have dark outlines, and evenly spaced, rippled bottoms. Are they real clouds? I am not so sure. Something seems really ‘off’ about them!

    Later, they seemed to turn into other stuff, and there also were some more obvious chemtrails, as well as those ‘velcro’ things, and cobweb ‘clouds’. Very weird stuff.

    Also, lately I have noticed we’ve been getting brown clouds! Something is very wrong, clouds aren’t supposed to be brown! First thing this morning I saw a rippled, brown ‘cloud’ in the sky. Too bad I saw it when I got out of the car at church, and forgot to bring my camera.

    I also saw more brown clouds this afternoon, and I saw some yesterday. I looked up ‘brown cloud’ on Google, and they are talking about brown clouds all over Asia, and it is a huge concern, as it is supposedly caused by terrible air pollution.

    We do NOT have heavy air pollution here. In fact, we are in the countryside. We do have a Baxter factory, and a Honda one here. But what comes out of their chimneys is white, not brown.

    So, where did the brown clouds come from? I don’t like it at all.

  497. Nightmareskies Says:

    ericswan….now THAT was a cool link , although the physics are above my ability to fully understand.

    Are you perhaps a lucid dreamer ? I can hope : – )

  498. Ursa Major Says:

    Oh, another thing, while I was searching for ‘brown clouds’, I came across this blog. This lady is clueless as to what she is really seeing, obviously. She thinks it is unusual, but cool. http://lonadawn.blogspot.com/2009/02/storm-clouds-rolling-in.html

  499. Celline Says:

    Can anyone please post the link to ” Welcome to Blue no more”?
    My links to this are dead.. no longer working. Went to Google it, same thing, it did not work. Does anyone still have it and does it work ?

  500. Ursa Major Says:

    Here it is: http://www.bluenomore.com/

  501. ericswan Says:

    Celline: I’ll quote your comment..

    The Holy Spirit is a Person, and yes, He lives in those, who belong to Jesus Christ. 2 Corr 3 :6 “Who also has made us able ministers of the New Testament:not of the letter but of the Spirit: For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives Life

    My point exactly. The bible is the “letter of the law”.

  502. Ursa Major Says:

    The OLD TESTAMENT is the letter of the law, not the whole bible.

  503. ericswan Says:

    It’s the……….

    “John (16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
    here and now that the Spirit speaks not dogma and not dead letters.

  504. ericswan Says:

    Ursula..the comment was directed to Celline. My reason for that is to gently move her understanding to the point you make, that the letter was “old testament” and the spirit is Jesus Christ. I haven’t seen this in Celline’s writing. I’m not sure she can differenciate between the old and the new testaments and that is what I’m exploring. Your comment may have been a bit New Age for her.

    As you know, I have a problem taking the bible as the word of God. Unlike you, I can’t separate the old and new and come to the same conclusion that one is of God and the other is something else. Is God evolving or are we evolving. The old testament God really didn’t need his Son to rewrite that testament. His Son came here to clarify the nature of man in His image. Look around.

  505. Ursa Major Says:

    Eric, I am not coming to the conclusion that the ‘one is of God and the other is something else’. Not at all. I believe it is all of God, but that in the New Testament, through Jesus Christ, God redeemed the people who believe in Him.

    We are not bound to rules and regulations any more, but the ten commandments are still valid. It is just that now the Holy Spirit guides us, and we don’t have to worry about keeping all the many written rules.

    Which does NOT mean it is now fine to go around doing bad things, not at all. But if the Holy Spirit works in us, we should be guided by our conscience, which is guided by the Holy Spirit, without constantly thinking about what is right and what is wrong.

    That is not the same they teach kids in school now, “What feels right is right”. Because unless you are guided by the Holy Spirit, what feels right isn’t necessarily a good thing at all. And we are to discern the difference between our will and God’s will.

  506. Celline Says:

    Thank you Uschi ;o) eric is trying to make me out to be a dimwit, but it’s ok, cause I am confident in knowing who I am, and also what I know.
    The OT is the letter of the Law.. the NT, is the fullfilment of the law.
    But, Uschi explained it already perfectly, so I won’t repeat it.

  507. Ursa Major Says:

    Hey everybody, somehow neither Celline nor any of her family in San Diego (she has her own little house on their property) is able to go to the ‘Blue No More’ website. Their server is AOL.

    Would you all try to go to the site to see if she is the only one with the problem? I can get in, it works as well as ever.

    I think maybe AOL might be censoring their customers, and won’t allow them to get into that site. They are obviously not down, she is on the Internet, and has e-mailed me.


  508. clark Says:

    That is strange, I can’t open that bluenomore link, it’s just a black screen. But in this pop-up pre-view thing-a-ma-bob on this page I can see it is a blue background with white cloud-like writing. It may be a problem with the browser. You could try Firefox.

    I keep seeing the mention of brown clouds, I think I saw some of those awhile back but I didn’t think much of it at the time. Haven’t seen them since.

    This morning there was a huge low lying wide, slow to dissipate, chemtrail directly above my place and one or two in the distance. Later on, they hit the area pretty heavily above the clouds, with a mix of long lasting and quick dissipating chemtrails all afternoon, perhaps creating the huge tall independent mega clouds, but by evening the sky was mostly clear and light blue.

    Speaking of blue, I’ve also noticed there are quite a few bluebirds in this area. For the last two years I’ve seen more bluebirds than I’ve seen in my whole life. I hunt, so that is saying something. Ever since I read about scientist being able to see through the eyes of a cat and a story about the military using bluebirds as organic spies, those birds give me the creeps.

  509. Celline Says:

    4 of us have gmail as server, I have aol. None of us are able to open that link, we tried all day ! So, it can not be aol, we were thinking, it has been taken off.. yet U can open it, it’s very weird.
    @ eric, you don’t have to ” nudge me gently” anywhere.. I know exactly where I’m at. And : The Holy Spirit is a Person, as is God the Father, and Jesus ! I think we have exhausted this subject .. and like I said : no gentle nudging needed ! If you are not a christian, than this is nothing you can grasp, and I won’t do anymore nudging .

  510. clark Says:

    I can’t open that site, I can only view a small portion of it with the pop-up from this webpage. I can’t stand AOL, but I think you can still use a different browser, like Firefox. I forget. You might also try upgrading your shockwave flash, I could read the source code and it mentions such quite a bit.
    macromedia.com or go to adobe.com I suspect it’s your Flash as I know mine is defective.

  511. Nightmareskies Says:

    Exactly which branch of the Christian Church has launched the anti-chemtrail campaign ( like the anti-abortion campaign ) Is it the Catholics, Adventists, JWs, Mormons, Methodists,Anglicans,Lutherans,Pentocostals,Evangelists ? Who ?

    Uschi and Celine….you two better be extremely careful as to who you assign your personal power over to in respect to your spiritual teachings.The Christian pastors and ministers , almost to a man, remain SILENT in the face of the great evil that assaults us daily from the skies. As you two are well aware,the plants, animals ,the weak , the young and the old are already suffering from the toxic effects.

    Where is the spiritual discernment of the church leadership ? Why are they blind to the truth ? And if by chance they DO see it , why the silence?

    The churches , as our proclaimed spiritual mentors, have a moral imperative to resist evil. Jesus NEVER ignored the suffering, the weak, the lame, the blind ,the hungry. He ACTED .

    And now it’s time to face another uncomfortable truth – it’s not the atheist Chinese or the Russians who are spraying us. The aerosol spraying is a joint USA military/UN/NATO campaign . Those are not Osama’s fly boys in those chemtrail jets.. What percentage of these pilots do you think are Christians who have bought the govt lies in order to justify their own actions ?

    Watch out ! The great deception is upon us. The fear based dogma and sectarian elitism that the Christian churches engage in has led to this – a Christian nation( USA ) that is docile, deluded, and about to be delivered straight into the hands of satan.

  512. Ursa Major Says:

    Nightmareskies, first of all, the Catholics, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons are NOT Christians. Those are cults.

    Other than that, you are right. Our church leaders definitely ignore the threat from the skies. I won’t talk to my pastor about it, because my husband (who is his friend) would convince him very quickly that I am deluded, and that those are just normal clouds and contrails.

    But even if he would believe it, he would just say, that ‘it is all in God’s hands’ and ‘God will protect us’. I’ve tried convincing him of other things before, and that is what I get.

    I am well aware that the chemtrail spraying is done by our own governments/NATO. They are spraying in all NATO countries. I read that as soon as Croatia was ‘allowed’ to join NATO (what idiots to wanting to join this corrupt, evil organization!) the spraying started there.

    I believe China is concerned about the chemtrails, and won’t allow anybody to do that over their skies.

    Okay, I tried opening http://www.bluenomore.com in Internet Explorer (version 8 appears to be as crappy as the previous versions), and it DOES NOT work in IE. I have no trouble opening it in Firefox (my default browser).

    It also works fine in Safari.

    So, Celline, you may want to download the Firefox browser, and use it instead of Internet Explorer. I use Explorer only when I have to, because I hate it, really.

    When you download Firefox, you can import all your favourites from Internet Explorer, so you won’t lose anything.

    Maybe your daughter-in-law or grandson can help you.

  513. Ursa Major Says:

    Darn, I put a comment, but it won’t show up. When I tried to do it again, it said that it detected a duplicate comment. Meaning, it may show up in a few hours.

    In the meantime, I’ll repeat my advice to anybody who wants to look at the ‘Blue No More’ website.

    I tried it in different browsers. It WILL NOT work in Internet Explorer (the crappiest browser there is). It works fine in Firefox and Safari.

    Celline, have somebody help you download Firefox, and import all your favourites from Explorer.

  514. Nightmareskies Says:

    John 16 : 13

    When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

  515. Ursa Major Says:

    Okay, I have posted twice now, and neither post showed up. How annoying!

    I wonder why?

  516. ericswan Says:

    When the NWO gets their one government, one currency, and one religion, how will they solve the problem of hair and head covering? I’m not being trite here when I say hair is a significant issue in most religions and is even more apparent when we study the sects of the major religions. Why is that?

  517. clark Says:

    Being as how the criminal gang MS-13 supposedly influences those at the top, 1/2 the solution to the hair issue is to shave it all off. Fits right in with the Uni-sex policy of the NWO, i.e. no sexist jokes, names have to be gender neutral etc…

    I had not thought about the silence of the many churches with respect to chemtrails. Wow. Like a monster in the night, if you don’t acknowledge it’s there, it can’t hurt you? Rather than the speeding freight train barreling down the tracks straight at your car stuck in the rail crossing? Just pay that thought no mind and it will go away, trust in government to protect you and know what’s best for you little indian. Love your FedGod? The environmentalist are the same way.

    Steady chemtrails here again today.

  518. AntiLieGuy Says:

    The old testament law is still the covenant that God made with US when He promised US this beautiful land. It is very applicable today. The Bible says about us when we are destroyed (in three months) that “they still eat the flesh of swine” and lets not forget that all images are sin according to the Bible and the books left out of it. And just to put the exclamation on these statements: Matthew 5:18–For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

  519. ericswan Says:

    I can hardly wait till someone posts the “law”.

    Are you inferring the US to be the U.S.?

    The old testament law is still the covenant that God made with US when He promised US this beautiful land. It is very applicable today.

    You have mentioned Zion as being the U.S. but the bible never says the word Zion. Is it possible I missed something?

  520. ericswan Says:

    Celline: I wonder if there are any natural clouds left in California.

    And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

  521. AntiLieGuy Says:

    The law is in Exodous and Numbers and prolly more. Zion and Sion are in the Bible numerous times. the “US” was meant as ’emphasized us’ as in me and you. Read your Bible before you say what is in it or not. that son of man in the clouds refers to the invasion many times and is misleading.

  522. ericswan Says:

    My bad. Zion is not mentioned in the new testament. So the guy in the clouds is Satan?

  523. Celline Says:

    Exactly, not a one church is talking about the chemtrails. I have some Pastor-friends.. whom I really gave a peace of my mind about it.. especially one of them , he is a very close friend. After reading my mail yesterday, I suppose he’s never going to be the same. I asked him:” What is it, are u scared…. where’s your spiritual leadership, where’s the Truth here?” And I send him pictures of it, he’s in MN.
    Can’t wait for his reply. AND.. I will not leave him alone,,, I will bug and bug him, and call him Yellow, if he doesen’t do it.
    He cares much about what I think and say, so we will see !
    Uschi wrote me, she can not post, it no longer works, maybe mine won’t either..

  524. Ursa Major Says:

    Testing, to see if I can post again.

  525. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Hello Ursa,

    WordPress had put your comments in the “SPAM” queue. I have no idea why. Are you using a new ISP? Or did you click too many times when sending?? Anyway, I had to manually “free them” from the spam queue and then they jumped into the comments section in the order they were written. I try to check the spam queue regularly and free-up legitimate comments but I am not always online when others are posting, so thanks for the heads-up.

    FYI – I am normally based in the East Coast of the US. Currently visiting friends in Ohio. A small town. I look up and what do I see; of course – CHEMTRAILS! Everyone here is utterly clueless about them. I could even see a high-altitude jet laying them down and watched them spread across the sky.

    This has to be the biggest conspiracy hidden in plain sight in the entire evil history of the NWO. I mean the cost and logistics to fly jets and spray enough chemicals to blot out the entire sky of the US, Canada and Europe has got to be mind-boggling, yet the proof is right above everyone’s head!

    I am really getting sick of this toxic crap everywhere.

    I hope everyone will redouble their efforts to make others aware of what is going on and to start DEMANDING ANSWERS from their Government!! Enough already!

    Best to all,

  526. Ursa Major Says:

    FoundingFather, no, I don’t have a new ISP address, and I only clicked once, as always. Only when it didn’t show up did I click the ‘back’ button, copied what I had said, and tried posting it again, which didn’t work either, of course.

    Very odd that suddenly my posts are identified as spam. Oh well, I hope it works fine now.

    I agree, it is so very annoying that these chems and unnatural clouds are in plain sight, and yet hardly anybody believes us! But maybe that is part of the problem, people think (and I’ve heard family members say that) that if it is in plain sight, it can’t be a conspiracy. Because, of course (sarcasm), conspiracies are obviously secrets, and you can’t just look up to see things happening that are secrets!

    Every day we now have brown clouds. It is so very weird. We used to have either white, grey or black clouds. Now they are all mixed, white, grey, black and now brown as well! Sometimes they are speckled! The singe clouds look often fairly normal, but the mix is just eerie and can’t possibly be normal. And what the heck are the brown clouds about? And why doesn’t anybody but me notice?

    And almost never are white clouds just white any more. They are usually outlined by dark grey, and have a round, dark grey bottom. Those grey bottoms of those white ‘clouds’ all line up in perfect, straight rows. Very rarely can I see a single, big white cloud any more, the way it used to be. Now they are all in perfectly arranged groups.

  527. Ursa Major Says:

    In the last post I meant ‘single clouds’ not singe clouds, in the second to last paragraph (we could really use an edit button!).

  528. ericswan Says:

    Weather stats for Kamloops released data on days warmer than 30 C. We usually have 26 by this time of year but so far only 13. The legislation that passed in the house by a 219 to 213 vote makes you wonder what is democratic about a meagre 4 votes going one way or the other. I looked at the legislation but most of the 1,200 pages hasn’t been covered. It appears that waste wood from any forest being railway ties to deadfall in national parks, can be used as fuel for electric generation. I have to wonder how they can squeeze that in and call it being responsible.

  529. Nightmareskies Says:

    Celline, good for you. Keep hammering away at these pastors because those are EXACTLY the people that need to have their eyes opened. But , you have to admit, that there is something seriously wrong with a spiritual leader that cannot , or even worse, WILL NOT, acknowledge this great evil. I , for one, would reject all spiritual teachings coming from someone so blind. And these are the guys who have placed themselves into a SUPERIOR position in respect to spiritual discernment – BAH !

    Uschi, I feel so sorry for you. You see the truth, your husband doesn’t , and that means you live in a house divided. I doubt you’re going to have much success along the normal rational lines ( showing him more videos, articles, pics, logical arguments, etc ). Pray more, that he shall see this truth. And I’ll pray that your prayers will be answered : – )

  530. ericswan Says:

    Well folks, something is changing and I’m sensing the full court press Governor Palin was talking about.

    As for the churches, it’s top down and pastors are not the free men they think they are.


  531. Celline Says:

    So far, no reply from Percy, the MN pastor, but I will keep after him until he is sick of me !
    I agree.. I would not trust any pastor’s sermon, if he’s one of those who is not talking about the crimes in the skies, I agree totally.( As far as I know.. there’s not 1 that does !)
    I watched the jets today laying down lines and circles.. they grew into ” clouds ” and generally there’s a mist laying over the whole area, that is brown, and no.. we don’t have the LA smog here at all.
    Also, we usually have pretty hot temps here normally, after all this is Southern Cal.. but not this year, we are way too cold.
    Also, have noticed it is affecting me, I sneeze all the time.. so does my son, I can hear him, and I am unusually tired. Went to the mall today, and in the parkinglot, I watched the jets doing their thing, I stood there and stared. 2 Ladies watched me, asking if I could not find my car or something ! I talked to them, and explained why I was looking into the skies. They responded with :’ Oh, hahahaha, if that’s all, we can assume you are ok.” I politely thanked them for their concern.. went to my car, and was exploding w. anger…. over that ignorance.. thinking:” OK.. there’s nothing anyone will do, we are dealing with Idiot-Sheeple !

  532. Ursa Major Says:

    Here it should be very hot and humid, but it was cold and windy today. We’ve had very few warm days this far. So much for global warming! I don’t know how much this cooling has to do with the chems, possibly none at all, I don’t know. I read that there are fewer sunspots, which translates into cooler temperatures.

    Thank you NMS for your prayers, I can sure use them. And I agree, I can’t convince my husband, as I have given him all the evidence needed, and he is rejecting it.

    By the way, this morning my twelfth grandchild was born, a little boy (I now have five grandsons and seven granddaughters).

  533. ericswan Says:

    Hey y’all watch this 6 min. vid of Sarah Palin and let me hear back..


  534. Nightmareskies Says:

    ericswan ” top down ” in regards to the churches is right on. The churches are in bed with the govt and follow a political agenda that they sell by wrapping it up in spiritual language. The Christian churches have been instrumental in deluding their congregations into voting for the ” conservative ” branch of the NWO. One of the most beloved Christian political leaders was Ronald Reagan. But, take a look at Reagan’s fiscal policy and you will see that under his leadership the USA debt load grew exponentially and so did the size of govt. All of Reagan’s moral platitudes amounted to nothing more than pandering to the Christians who kept him in office. And these moral and spiritual platitudes were only a smoke screen behind which the REAL agenda played out – more debt, more prisons, more bureaucracy, an increase in state power, and a further ripping apart of the family and the fabric of a civilized society and, of course, more funding to the universities and the various military labs who were in all likelihood perfecting the aerosols sprays which today are slow poisoning most of the world.

    Talk to any USA minister and ask him what he thinks of Reagan. Undoubtedly he’ll be held up as some great champion of Christian values, based on Reagan’s empty words and outright lies. What Reagan ACTUALLY did and where his policies actually led….why the church is as unconcerned about this as they are over chemtrails – empty words and fake values apparently being enough for them !

  535. Nightmareskies Says:

    Just imagine a church leadership that actually cared about its people the way Christ cared about people. Jesus didn’t send the crippled on their way with words to the effect of – ” Don’t worry about it. This life is meaningless, your suffering is meaningless, just believe in me and sooner or later you’ll end up in a better place with eternal life . ” No. Jesus taught not just for the afterlife, he cared about THIS life. His actions speak for themselves.

    There will come a time when the church leaders, those in a position of power and authority , will be held accountable for their inaction and the lies they tell their congregations.
    Then, there will be Hell to pay ! Literally.

    Uschi, congrats on your grandbaby. Now you have yet one more reason to keep spreading the chemtrail truth. But I know in my heart, that , as individual chemtrail activists, without the backing of the churches we’re doomed to failure. The churches alone have the necessary organizational infrastructure, the money, power, and their own media . Within short order there could be milllions and millions of informed Christians protesting against the chemtrails in the streets of America if only their ministers would tell them the TRUTH .

    Well, I dream. Far from telling the truth the silence of the churches is santioning and condoning this evil.

  536. clark Says:

    @ Ursa Major, the exact same thing happened to me on the day M. Jacksons fans almost crashed the internet on the day he died, and again just now. I’ll bet the internet traffic is heavier out on the coasts and near big cities.

    This morning the sky was clear and it was fairly cool. After the heavy chemtrailing and the resulting clouds it felt hotter. As far as I can tell these artificially created clouds trap and retain heat like no other, creating the so-called global warming effect. It sure did feel cooler before the clouds rolled in.

  537. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ Celline – I think Steven Quayle has a ministry, and he was one of the first people I ever heard on the radio who focused on the evil of chemtrails. He’s a guest sometimes on George Noory’s and Alex Jones’ radio show. But Quayle also has his own radio show. I think you’ll enjoy it. There is a lot of focus on endtimes and the Bible.( 4- 5 PM Pacific Time – Mon -Fri ). Here’s a link for you.


    I usually listen to stream 1 or 2

  538. clark Says:

    The problems posting could also be due to hackers attacking the network servers. I just saw an article about just that, since the Fourth.

  539. Celline Says:

    @ Dude. thank you, and I wholeheartedly agree w. what u are saying ! Except for one thing: Reagan was N O T a christian.. just the opposite.. involved in the occult… and other most terrible things, that I literally do not dare say here.

  540. Celline Says:

    read that book:” Thanks for the Memories” by Brice Taylor.
    Still available on Amazon for about 60 bucks.. the best bucks you ever spent in your life !

  541. clark Says:

    Something that I think would help to convince the general public about chemtrails is a collection of photos showing chemtrails over every affected country. Even for me, i.e. I was asking about Africa, if I saw a website with African backgrounds and chemtrails in the sky, I would be more convinced at how widespread they are or are not. We already have a fine example of one for Canada, especially the photo with the Canadian flag flying. Now if we just had one for every other country AND where the links were on one page.
    I know a set of pictures isn’t proof positive, but it is a very solid start. Then the naysayers would have to disprove things rather than how it’s the opposite now. Going further, a breakdown by state/providence and city level. A map of a sort perhaps. Recognizable city skylines with chemtrails in the background. Just a thought.

  542. ericswan Says:


    The war on tobacco is a fake crusade designed to protect the cigarette
    industry. It’s not about “smoking” but about covering up for some
    pretty mind-blowing crimes from the cigarette cartel.
    Click on image for a larger version

    Sam POPs.jpg
    The public has until Sept. 29 to submit Public Comments on the FDA’s
    “tobacco regulation” law.

    See: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/fda_seeks_comment_on_tobacco_l.html

    Also: Go here to comment…and to click on an icon to see the whole
    law: You have to see it for yourself to believe it.

    There is plenty to comment about:

    * The law wrongly says nicotine is “harmful”—but even the FDA itself
    finds it safe in other products.
    * Law says that tobacco kills—but the term “tobacco” is unqualified.
    No studies have been brought forward about Plain UnContaminated
    tobacco killing anyone. It may have—but who knows until the studies
    are done? Highly-Contaminated smoking concoctions cannot help but
    cause harm, but that is quite different from just tobacco.
    * The FDA can reduce nicotine to all but nothing—a tactic long used
    by cigarette makers to prompt more smoking, sales, and “sin taxes”.
    But this also causes deeper inhaling and more exposures to harmful
    cigarette contaminants. This point makes this law effectively a new
    [The FDA cannot remove all nicotine because—well, then they’d have
    no “drug” to “regulate”.]
    * The FDA is forbidden to address or regulate easily the most toxic,
    cancer-causing, and child-harming parts of typical cigarettes…the
    many tobacco pesticides and their residues, many of them being
    chlorine chemicals that produce dioxin—an industrial substance that
    is especially harmful to children, fetuses, and pregnant mothers.
    You’d think the FDA never heard of Agent Orange or Love Canal, etc.
    * The FDA is forbidden to address or regulate another farm
    component—radiation-contaminated phosphate tobacco fertilizers which
    have been found to cause over 90% of upper respiratory “smoking
    related” cancers. The cancers are more accurately Radiation Related or
    Fertilizer Related. To say “smoking related” is to blame the
    unwitting, unprotected victims—the ones doing this smoking…the
    ones who thought they were protected from such things by our sworn and
    paid public officials.
    * The FDA, by applying huge costs to proving a cigarette has “reduced
    risk” (even if that reduced risk is just implied), makes it virtually
    impossible for an alternative cigarette maker to make and accurately
    label a cigarette as “organic” or “pesticide free” or “dioxin free” or
    “burn accelerant free” or “natural” or “additive free”.
    * The FDA bans Cigarette Makers from being on the regulatory
    board—but it says nothing about representatives from tobacco
    pesticide manufacturers, pharmaceuticals that make tobacco pesticides
    and/or non-tobacco cigarette additives, fertilizer interests,
    agricultural firms that supply many non-tobacco ingredients, chlorine
    interests that hope to keep the chlorine-dioxin topic Off The Table
    because of implications on their businesses, pharmaceuticals that are
    competitors to tobacco for various medical purposes, or any of their
    insurers and investors. Even health insurers that invest billions in
    cigarette manufacturing are not prohibited from the regulatory
    * The FDA law ignores many US Patents for Fake Tobacco products (made
    from all sorts of waste cellulose materials) that are designed to
    “simulate tobacco”—or, to lie by appearances. Products are given
    measured shots of nicotine to complete the deception. Any number of
    low-end cigarettes may contain no tobacco at all. If such products are
    not tobacco, and cannot emit tobacco smoke, and have not been studied
    for health effects, they must be exempt from the law—but nothing
    states this or even mentions the topic.
    * The law threatens and even admits that it will cause
    Prohibition-style crimes in illicit trade and smuggling—even trade
    that will support “terrorists”. Escalation of crime is a threat to the
    public interest.
    * The FDA, by not barring cigarette makers from passing “user fee”
    costs for the regulation onto customers in price hikes, increases the
    value of cigarettes for smugglers, illicit traders, and “terrorists”.
    * The FDA has no words about banning use of added burn-accelerants in
    typical cigarettes though they are complicit in thousands of fires,
    injuries and deaths each year.
    * The US EPA has acknowledged that chlorine is man-made/industry made,
    and is “not likely in nature”…such as from tobacco plants. The EPA
    also acknowledged that there is dioxin in smoke from (typical)
    cigarettes. The USA has classified dioxin as a Known Human Carcinogen,
    the worst level. And, the USA has signed the Stockholm Convention to
    phase out dioxin and 11 other worst industrial pollutants from the
    earth. Many, if not most, diseases said to be “smoking related”
    (hardly a medical/scientific term) are known effects of dioxin
    exposures, and many if not most are not possible effects of exposure
    to smoke from any plant. Further, the worst possible exposure route
    for dioxin is through inhalation because of the high efficiency of the
    lungs. Beyond that, dioxins cause “the Promoter Effect”
    —accelerating cell-damage from other carcinogens…in this case,
    such as the radiation from the fertilizers, and other non-tobacco
    cigarette components that are carcinogenic or become so when burned.
    This FDA law utterly ignores all of that. It says nothing about
    chlorine-bleached cigarette paper, chlorine tobacco pesticide
    residues, and more pesticide residues from non-tobacco agricultural
    crop additives.

    Whether one likes smoking or not…or even if one hates smokers and
    hopes they die…this law affects everyone. It is a product of
    Corporate “science” at its worst. It is a virtual re-play of Reefer
    Madness that gave us 62 years of the horrific war on cannabis, and it
    lets chlorine and other chemical interests off the hook for easilyone
    of the industry’s worst and most extensive and most costly crimes.
    Those homicidal industries affect all of our foods, our drugs, many
    household products, and our air and water. What they have done to
    smokers is what they do to everyone—except in less obviously visible
    ways. If one is getting ones dioxin and pesticide doses from a
    cigarette, or from household pesticides and cleansers and non-organic
    foods and emissions from plastics and the rest…the results are the
    same—cancers, immune problems, fetal damages, cardio-vascular
    problems, learning disabilities, pregnancy disruption, sperm loss,
    endocrine disruption—and on and on. If one is sickened by all that,
    and if one happens to smoke—guess what will be blamed.
    Of course, smokers get it the worst because of the delivery
    path—direct inhalation. Smokers are the canaries in our coal mines.
    This FDA law is an attempt to strangle the canaries, the evidence
    agaisnt Industrial Chemicals. It is not to protect anyone’s health.

  543. ericswan Says:

    Sun’s storms set to intensify
    Rebekah Polley | 7th July 2009

    Craig Warhurst
    ASTRONOMERS are claiming that Earth is witnessing the biggest and most powerful Sunspot ever seen and the sunspot is yet to peak in intensity.

    A sunspot is a magnetic storm on the surface of the sun and the area of the spot is colder than the normal surface.

    The normal surface is about 5000 degrees, the temperature of a sunspot is about 3000 degrees.

    The size of a sunspot varies, ranging from the size of the moon to 65 times larger than the size of earth and lasts for about a month then fades away.

    This newest sunspot is thought to be 60 to 80 times the size of Earth and has occurred on the side of the sun, which is in view of Australia.

  544. clark Says:

    @eric, I watched the 6min video, it was a woman politician… I didn’t get much from it other than 44 is old. (ugh). And, if it is no big deal to hide a pregnancy, it is no big deal to hide anything from the public as pregnancy is usually a very big deal.
    Great smoking article (Love canal & Agent Orange 🙂 It also helps to explain why people who never smoked wind up with lung cancer, especially farmers and farmworkers. The showcase of how the government does not look out for the best interest of people is glaringly obvious. Smokers as canaries, who would have thought canaries would be silenced and hidden rather than learned from? Contrary to what people expect. I guess people who notice chemtrails are canaries too.
    It’s strange, when you hear the word, “sunspot,” or the words, “magnetic storm,” “most powerful” or, “peak in intensity” applied to the sun, it implies a warm condition rather than a cooling one, no wonder the public is confused.

    The previous chemtrailing here was followed by downpours of rain.

  545. AntiLieGuy Says:

    Nibiru Cometh!

  546. Celline Says:

    Ordinarely we would be clear and blue today, as usual. Instead.. the sky is covered and I mean totally ! with what looks like Kids fingerpainting.
    I have never seen it worse. Last night, I watched the jets do it. Fine lines first that broadened rapidly.. finally covering the sky.
    Just now.. for the umptiest time, I wrote letters to all Big Wigs on Fox-News. Among other things telling them, that we lost all respect for them, because they won’t tell us the truth. I know they won’t answer, but I do what I can.
    The whole family, including our dogs are marathon sneezing, several times a day
    I am going to lay it out today to my Dr, I have an appointment.
    No reply from Pastor Percy yet ! If he is chicken.. and I already asked him this…. then he won’t like what he has coming from me. Period !

  547. Ursa Major Says:

    Clark, I am finding chemtrail evidence for you right now.

    Here is a youTube video from Morocco (North Africa):

    Here is one from Greece:

    This is all I’ve found this far on Africa. There are articles, but no pictures it seems.

  548. Ursa Major Says:

    I just realized that it looks like I think Greece is in Africa in the above post. Of course I don’t. I just thought I’d show that they are also spraying in Greece, since I found the video while looking for info on Africa.

  549. Ursa Major Says:

    I don’t know what happened with the link on the Morocco youtube video, but when I tested it, something else came up. I am trying again below.

  550. clark Says:

    Thanks Ursa, Morocco, catchy audio too. I wish the last shot would have finished panning down to the horizon, but it was … the stuff. The Greek one started out about perfect, I wish they would have shown more of the surrounding terrain, trees and buildings so a person could tell it wasn’t just any old place.

  551. Ursa Major Says:

    I just heard from Clark, the owner of http://www.bluenomore.com . I e-mailed him, letting him know that his site didn’t work in Internet Explorer. He has fixed it, as evidenced by me testing it in IE per his request.

    So, everybody should theoretically be able to go into his website again, including Celline. Please go ahead and try, and post here if it worked (or if it didn’t, too).

  552. Ursa Major Says:

    Ahem, I meant Carl, not Clark (at least I got the first letter right 😉 )

  553. Celline Says:

    Uschi, thank you so much for your effort, but I am sorry to have to tell you, that I still can not open” Blue no more ”
    Too bad.. it is the best I have ever seen and forewarded, to convince the unbelievers.

  554. Ursa Major Says:

    Celline, have you downloaded flash player? And Java? I think you may need both. Strange, that you used to be able to view it, and now you can’t. I was unable to get in with Internet Explorer yesterday as well, but today, after whatever it is Carl did, it works fine for me.

    Did you download Internet Explorer 8? It is a Beta version (as in a test version, that doesn’t have all the bugs straightened out yet). I didn’t realize it is a Beta version, and my automatic downloads just downloaded that (which they shouldn’t have done, really). I believe it was the problem for me. If you have IE 8, you may want to uninstall it and get IE 7n back.

    Maybe somebody else here has some advice for Celline? I think I have exhausted what advice I can give to her on this subject.

  555. Celline Says:

    Thanx Uschi, but sadly I don’t know enough about computers to even fully understand what u said ;o( But, I will give it another try now.
    Talked to a Neurologist today, we were sitting by a window and I showed her the sky, explaining about CTs. She blanched !!!! She said, she knew nothing about it, but said, ” this could affect the central nervous systems”after this…. she was visibly upset.
    Maybe just maybe.. I made another ” convert” today !

  556. clark Says:

    @Ursa Major, WOW! That bluenomore site worked for me and it was perfect. It showed the sky with the horizon, showing buildings and such so you could tell where it was. Very spooky looking skies, especially, I think it was #36.

    @Celline, one the one hand it’s great that you may have convinced a professional, on the other hand, when she starts talking it will probably kill her career. As if it matters though. Good job. I would suggest clearing your history/cache to visit the site, that’s a pretty simple fix to try.

  557. Ursa Major Says:

    Right, Celline, Clark is right, follow the instructions I gave you last time on clearing your temporary internet files, that might actually be needed. Thanks, Clark, I forgot about that.

  558. Ursa Major Says:

    I tried posting a video I took on April 17th to youtube. Somehow it loaded it (even though it claimed it wasn’t done for two hours), but failed to actually load any of my comments or the title (I am a little upset about that). I will try to do it properly tomorrow again, as it refuses to load anything right now, all attempts are failing.

    But here is the link to the imperfect one. The video is there. Just realize that I took it near Tottenham, Ontario, Canada (about 45 miles north of Toronto) on Apr. 17th. Compare with the pictures on my skydrive (for link scroll up).

  559. Ursa Major Says:

    Sorry about the audio on the above video, it was windy, and I was on the side of a busy country road. I need to work on doing better commentaries, too. Oh well.

  560. clark Says:

    The list of video and photos from this page so far:

    – chemtrails over Australia.

    – chemtrails over Morocco.

    – chemtrails over Greece.

    – chemtrails over USA, Nashville, TN


    – chemtrails over Canada, Toronto, Ontario

    – chemtrails over Europe: Austria, and N. Italy

  561. solsburyhill Says:

    CFR document on chemtrails and weather modification

    Click to access The_Geoengineering_Option.pdf

  562. solsburyhill Says:

    Council on Foreign Relations document on chemtrails and weather modification.

    Click to access The_Geoengineering_Option.pdf

  563. Ursa Major Says:

    Clark, my pictures and video are NOT over Toronto. Toronto is where our major airport is, but we are about 50 miles north of Toronto in the small town of Alliston.

    Here is one in Toronto. And please people, go and comment there, as everybody is making fun of this person and says those are just contrails.

    A video from somewhere in Ontario, it is excellent

    Here is one from Ottawa, Ontario. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCV30NwVedk&feature=related

    One from Brampton, Ontario http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO5mmaEuBks&feature=related

    Here is one from Hamilton, Ontario http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng7nrG0LLk4&feature=related

  564. Ursa Major Says:

    By the way, Clark, if you go to the http://www.bluenomore.com site, you will find they have an international section with pictures from many countries.

    Northampton, England
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqlZNCkfHlw That is an EXCELLENT video

    Another great video from the UK

    chemtrails over Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

    German news exposes chemtrail spraying

    Here is a translation into English

  565. Ursa Major Says:

    Rats, it posted the video about the Norwegian one, but not the German one, translated into English.

    Here it is again:

  566. ericswan Says:

    1776..I wonder if you might post a link to your home page particularily where new content is available. I think we forget that there are other issues that need our attention.

    I appreciate the above compendium of chemtrail conspiritors. I would be interested to know who “doesn’t” allow them. We had a Canadian citizen that was renditioned to Syria a few years ago. At the time, the U.S. was treating Ghadaffi like a soldier in the al cia da army then they turn around and send a Canadian there to be tortured. His name was Arar and when he was finally released, he moved to Kamloops where his wife was a professor at the local college.

    Years later, we find out that Arar had insider information on the total information awareness system that the U.S. was setting up to spy on all Americans. Now that that is in place, Arar was no longer a threat to this Orwellian world we live in. 1984 addresses that subject perfectly with the “three” world divisions of Oceania is pink, Eurasia is orange and Eastasia is green on the fictitious 1984 world map; the “disputed area” rests roughly between the dotted lines …

  567. Ursa Major Says:

    Eric, there IS a link to the home page. The blue “Foundingfather 1776” banner at the very top is a link to the homepage. Just click on that image.

  568. ericswan Says:

    On June 18, 2009, NASA launched this new “double mission” — a SUV-sized spacecraft called “Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter” (LRO), designed to map the entire lunar surface in unprecedented detail over the next five years (and, several times); and, a “piggy-back” spacecraft, called the “Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite” (LCROSS), designed to direct the spent upper stage of the Atlas 5 LRO launch vehicle (the “Centaur” second stage) into a carefully targeted impact with the lunar surface on October 9, 2009.


  569. ericswan Says:

    The following report rife with pics, says chemtrails are being spread over every UN country. The pics (near the middle of 44 pages) show other aspects in the chemtrails that most of you will not want to see.

  570. clark Says:

    What I could see was interesting. There was an error of some type and I can’t view the last half of the document. Care to summarize for us Eric?

  571. Celline Says:

    I need help here, everytime I watch one of the videos, I am out of the blog.. need to re-enter.. scroll all the way down etc, is there an easier way? This too complicated and takes too much time, is there a better way?
    Am watching our ” friends ” busily at work right now… laying their eggs. You know what I mean. No answer from Percy, nada word.. am angry.
    oK now I want to watch all the videos, but like I said.. what a pain, what am I doing wrong? ( Outside of still not being able to open Blue No More ) and Eric’s last one, only shows me a geometrical figure !

  572. Ursa Major Says:

    Here is a great site by a lady on Arapawa Island, New Zealand. She is documenting that her island has been ruined by chemtrails I believe (have just started to explore, I got there through something said in the document Eric linked to – I am reading that right now, too).

    Celline, if you use Firefox, you can right-click on each link, and choose “open link in new tab”, and then you stay in here, while being in the new site at the same time.

    I don’t think you can do that with IE.

  573. Ursa Major Says:

    Foundingfather, are you able to program this blog in such a way that links will open in a new window? That would be very helpful.

    Here is a link from the forum of the New Zealand site posted above. http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1367

    Those pictures could have been taken here, it looks exactly the same as what I’ve been seeing! Even that strange orange ‘hole’ is something I’ve seen during the past days!

  574. Nightmareskies Says:

    Happy birthday, Nikola Tesla !

    ” Nikola Tesla – The Forgotten Wizard ”

    Great little vid…. : – )

  575. Nightmareskies Says:

    The Smithsonian Institute falsifies history by displaying Tesla’s inventions with a bust of EDISON beside them.

    Read about one teacher’s battle to restore some truth.


  576. ericswan Says:

    U.S. Prepared to Spend Billions on Swine Flu Vaccine –Health Secretary Makes Announcement at All-Day Summit on H1N1 Flu Outbreak 09 Jul 2009 School-age children will be among the population groups likely to get pandemic H1N1 flu vaccine in the fall, and they may get their shots at schools. Vaccines, now being made by five companies [pharma-terrorists] will probably be available in tens of millions of doses by the second week in October.


  577. ericswan Says:

    Celline: Look at your mouse. It has two buttons. If you click the button on the right while the cursor is over a link, a screen pops up that says “open in another window”. Click that to open links.

  578. ericswan Says:

    Hey NMS..I’ve been a huge fan of Tesla since I was a teenager. I get alot of feedback over the years, that Tesla was communicating or was transmigrated to Earth from Venus. Even the FBI reports on Tesla say that his best friends knew his radio that he built communicated with aliens.
    He is a giant and appreciate your celebratory thoughtfullness.

    You asked about lucid dreams. I don’t allow myself that particular endeavour by leaving the TV on all night every night.

  579. clark Says:

    I saw El Nino is making the news again. “They” are blaming our increase in storms and huge rainfalls on El Nino, perhaps El Nino is driven by El Chemtrailos? Was the early 1990’s when El Nino first made national news? Is that about the time chemtrails started being widely applied? That is about the time when my area started getting the first of many so-called, once-in-100yr rainstorms and flooding.

    Ursa Major says, …Here is one in Toronto. And please people, go and comment there, as everybody is making fun of this person and says those are just contrails.

    I’m not signing up for any more websites, but you can copy and paste this there:

    Sometimes, I think there is no convincing those who have already made up their minds. Those people mocking the idea of chemtrails think of themselves as experts who know what the humidity levels and wind conditions are in every circumstance to explain what they see. Those people who are not a, “stiff-necked people” but really are experts in aerodynamics fail to consider the flight patterns of the jets. Without an official type of answer for what they see, they stick to what they know. The experts fail to consider the many parallel lines drawn across the sky sequentially covering miles upon miles of sky which indicates a purpose to chemtrails rather than unintended effects. They also never consider that others in higher positions of power lie. The C.I.A. recently admitting they lie and mislead Congress, does this indicate this is a trend of every government agency? It also leaves an out for Congress to say they had no clue about chemtrails when in all likely-hood, they did. And, experts make errors. My favorite example is of the once thought extinct fish coelacanth. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289481,00.html
    The, “experts” told everyone it was extinct, as I recall, they even said this to the fishermen catching them. Moral of the story, even the experts can be wrong!

  580. clark Says:

    Same with the experts and the flu shots. Good-grief, the world has gone mad.

  581. clark Says:

    Same with the experts and our broken economy.

    Same with the experts and our never ending war on poverty which only creates more poverty.

    I could go on & on.


    “They are like the elites of the Roman Empire who destroyed everything in their paths while claiming to be the standard of good citizenship.” – Bill Anderson.

  582. ericswan Says:

    Here’s a link to vaccinations you didn’t know you got.


  583. Ursa Major Says:

    Oh wow, Eric, I have chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. I know I have low blood volume (even though they didn’t do that test, but when I get up fast, I get very dizzy, which indicates low blood volume). I also get that crazy fast heartbeat several times a day.

    But my doctors won’t take any of those things seriously at all.

    I read somewhere else that lipid replacement therapy might help with fixing the damage done by mycoplasma. I might look into that, it might actually help me.

    I took pictures yesterday of a seemingly blue sky (even though it wasn’t blue enough), but it had ripples! You only saw them when you really looked closely, you’d miss them if just looking up casually.

    Today we had all out chem attack again, without hiding anything. I was so bummed when I stepped out of the house at 9:30 a.m., and saw several planes in the sky actively laying downs chems, and couldn’t take pictures because several family members were with me, because I was taking some of them to the Toronto airport.

    If I’d take pictures around them, I’d be berated and made fun of the whole drive, and I just didn’t want to deal with it. And all the way to Toronto I saw more chems, with some patterns I had never seen before. Arghhh!

    On my way home I stopped at a McDonald’s, and while I was sitting inside eating, I saw a plane coming directly towards my position, putting down a chemtrail. It wasn’t going to the airport (which was directly south of me), but coming from the east and going west, at a fairly high altitude. Fortunately I sat by a large window, and managed to get some pictures.

    While that plane was still visible, another plane was coming in for a landing at the airport, being much lower and not leaving a trail of any kind.

    By the time I got home, the whole sky was overcast with that white mist and rippled ‘clouds’.

    Tonight they were putting down more chems, more x-patterns and long lines, and spikes etc., right above us.

  584. Celline Says:

    @Uschi, ditto here.. heavy rat spraying all day, and the previous night.
    Huge popcorntrails, spikes etc, and yes.. faint ripples. And overall a brownish haze everywhere. Just a sec ago, I heard my son, who just came home from work, do marathon sneezing. ( He doesen’t admit to chemtrails, because he would get in trouble w. his wife, who by nature.. likes to play Ostrich). He knows, he’s too smart, he’s an airplane mechanic. I have a tiny victory to report. I asked a pharmacist to come outside w. me for a minute, he did. Then I showed him that mess. He stared and stared then said :” That isen’t anything normal.. got to check this out. And it might explain the increase of the selling of Advair etc.. so many people coming in w. breathing trouble” ! There, one open mind..one ” convert !” Another thing chems produce in me: depression. Depression from stepping out of th door.. knowing you are a ” rat to be exterminated “.. that’s how I feel, consequently, I feel sad and depressed all day, which is so much NOT my personality.
    The weatherman was just on.. hemming and hahing about some ” clouds” you could tell.. he did not know what to say. It was so obvious today. Bought and paid for Media.. stuffed his mouth.

  585. Celline Says:

    Just a thought : They so coddle our health, how sweet of ” them” to almost make outcasts of smokers.. so very caring about our health ! What a damn joke. Xcuse the language, but what I saw today made me so mad, I could scream. My beautiful Blue and Gold California is no more ;o(

  586. Celline Says:

    it’s 8 PM….. now I am really scared…coalblack popcorn ” clouds” have rolled in. 2/3 of our skies are totally black. Never saw anything like it, feel like calling 9 / 11… weird phone nr.. eh ?

  587. clark Says:

    Yesterday, after two days of heavy rain & all white sky, we had some clearing and just a few chemtrails across the sky. Today is shaping up to be more of the same, exactly like what everyone else is showing in their pictures and videos, wide and long chemtrails hanging in the sky for hours slowly drifting to the ground.

    @Eric, that last link was something else, great find. I imagine that is some of what is in the chemtrails. It sure does explain a whole lot. Killers – in – the – sky… that could be a song? With the same beat as a, The Doors tune, the one with the rain & thunder.

  588. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Hello to all the regular readers and posters to this chemtrail discussion. (and to new readers as well!) I hope you will check out my NEW post that covers chemtrails and many other related subjects. Just click on the “FoundingFather1776” banner at the top to be taken to the blog homepage, or you can click here:


    Or you can type the web address into your browser:


    Feel free to comment. I always enjoy reading the diverse points of view and interesting facts brought up in these discussions.


  589. Ursa Major Says:

    Correction to yesterday’s post. I said “I saw a plane coming directly towards my position, putting down a chemtrail.”

    In fact, I ASSUMED I saw a plane putting down a chemtrail. I saw the trail being laid, coming towards my position, and eventually going over the building and out of my sight.

    I just looked at the pictures again, and zoomed in on the front of the chemtrail being laid. But there WAS NO PLANE! Seriously, there was NOTHING in front of the trail being laid that was visible.

    I also looked at other pictures I took with a trail being actively being put down. In some of them there is an obvious plane putting them down, in others it is a shape more like a long object, but I can’t see wings, and in others there is apparently NOTHING putting down the trails. Which obviously isn’t possible, something must be doing it. But it is invisible to the observer.

    Does anybody have a good theory/explanation for this?

    Now, if you look at a trail that is not getting longer as you watch, you likely are looking at a trail that was laid, and the plane left already. But I saw this trail being actively put down, so SOMETHING must have been putting it down, going from east to west.

  590. Ursa Major Says:

    Well, here goes another thunderstorm. Which was to be expected after yesterday’s heavy spraying, it never fails.

  591. Darran Says:


    First of all hi! The effects of the passage of Planet X are indeed in the Bible as you suggest. The 6th seal, when taken litteraly, is the exact description of the effects on the earth of Planet X’s passage.
    I have done much research on the subject and I have a good link to share with you, and any others interested in finding out how the plain, litteral interpretation of the Bible can not only shed light on this topic but actually completely change the way you view the Word of God. You will have to buy the e/book I’m afraid, but I can guarantee it’s money well spent.




    “America is the land God promised to Jacob, not the little shithole in the middle east. The Bible says that Abraham will be a father to MANY nations and Zion would have 2 sisters and the Israelites would be numbered like the stars. I am getting where I despise people who spout off about the Bible and have no clue whats in it. They are doing the work of Satan and most are completely oblivious to that fact”

    This suggests to me that you know your Scriptures as much as the people you despise…which is not at all. I’m sorry I am at work and so it would not be that honest of me to spend the time required to exhaustively treat this topic, but I promise to do so tomorrow when I have some free time. What I think I wanted to point out is that it helps to not make sweeping statements against other people’s lack of Biblical litteracy when yours is just as poor.

    I hope you won’t take offense, because none is intended, and I will back up my assertions asap.

    Regarding forced vaccinations unfortunately it seems they will leave us with little choice, as someone has already mentioned to refuse them single out the person refusing as a felon and have no doubt that the police, or military, will use deadly force to deal with the issue if given the chance. I am working on the hypothesis that it might be possible to inject an extremely powerful pathogen killer half an hour before receiving an injection which would bring to naught the effects of the vaccination. Anyone interested in this can google “The miracle mineral supplement of the 21st century” and download and read the first part of the ebook which is free.
    I have promised to do some experimenting on myself as soon as I figure out why the websites cited are refusing my french credit card….

  592. Darran Says:

    Seeing how cheap the supplement is, I would suggest any of you living in areas with heavy Chemtrail activity and who know they are experiencing the ill-effects physically should try this cure and report on it’s effect. By the way I am not ‘pushing’ the product but I can easily understand how and why it works, and why it might work in the case of vaccinations.

  593. Nightmareskies Says:

    Ursa, for an explanation of your ” invisible ” chemspray planes, watch this short vid made by the truthergirls ( in Montreal )- ” Cloaked Chemtrail Planes ”


    The military is playing around with its stealth technology. They also have ” invisible” tanks now.

  594. Nightmareskies Says:

    I’m not generally a rap fan, but if you haven’t already heard this song , take a listen to Immortal Technique and Eminem – ” Tell the Truth ”

  595. Nightmareskies Says:

    And here’s the same song accompanied by a great little vid:

  596. Darran Says:


    God’s promise to Abraham was threefold.
    1. Land promise
    In Genesis 12:1, while Abraham was still in Ur of Chaldees, God called him out to a land he would show him. Not only that, but he reiterated this promise to Abraham several times (Genesis 12:7 – Genesis 13: 12-14 – Genesis 17:8) Furthermore, he reaffirmed this promise to Isaac and later to Jacob (Genesis 26:3 – 28:13) The borders of this land were to extend from the river of Egypt (Wadi el Arish) to the Euphrates river. (Numbers 34:5 – Joshua 15:4 – Genesis 15:18).
    This includes the land of Canaan, which is modern-day Palestine.
    2. Nation promise
    This promise quite clearly refers to the nation of Israel, the descendants of Jacob. God followed the same pattern in that he made this promise to Abraham (Genesis 12:2), repeated it to him several times (Genesis 13:16 – Genesis 17:6) and later confirmed it to both Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 26:4 – Genesis 35:11)
    3. Seed promise
    Likewise this promise was made to Abraham (Genesis 12:3), repeated to him (Genesis 22:18) and also confirmed to Jacob (Genesis 26:4). This is the promise that refers to the Messiah (Galatians 3:8 and 3:16), in Abraham all nations were blessed.
    Let’s examine the Land promise a little more closely.
    According to Joshua, this promise was fulfilled. God indeed gave them the land and they possessed it (Joshua 21:43), and lived in it (Joshua 21:43-44). According to the Bible “not a word failed…all came to pass.” (Joshua 21:45)
    This is also certainly implied with regards to the Cities of Refuge, of which 6 were promised, 3 on each side of the Jordan.(Numbers 35:5-15). Three were given on the one side of the Jordan river and 3 more were promised if God were to keep his promise to Israel and give them all the land he promised them. (Deuteronomy 19:7-9).
    Well as you can guess God kept his promise, as he always does, and (Joshua 20:7-9) is evidence that he fulfilled his promise, as 6 Cities were given.
    And by the way, if that is not sufficient then please note that the extent of the land promised to Abraham is exactly the extent of the land ruled over by Solomon (1 Kings 4:21). God’s promise was fulfilled.
    We may find yet further evidence of this in the Levites praise upon their return from captivity in Babylon. Clearly God made a promise to Abraham concerning the land (Nehemia 9:7) and then performed his words (Nehemia 9:8 and 9:23-25).
    And how about the Psalmist’s praise?
    Psalm 105:42 says God remembered his promise to Israel, whilst Psalm 105:43-45 tells us that God gave Abraham’s descendants the land.

    That is what the bible has to say on the subject. Unless you can fit America between the river of Egypt (Wadi el Arish) and the Euphrates river then maybe you should consider revising your theology.

    “I am getting where I despise people who spout off about the Bible and have no clue whats in it.”

    If you don’t mind me asking, where exactly does that leave you then?

  597. clark Says:

    @NMS, kick a@@ videos you have there. My what sharp truth you have too.

    @Darran, welcome to the twilight zone. I see you’re about to mix it up with Dude. (See Dude, you need a comment section on yer blog) This should be interesting. I still haven’t read enough of Ezekial to add or subtract anything from the subject at hand as much as I might like to… except that, for Dude’s idea, I did notice they have a small version of the Statute of Liberty in France, ya don’t suppose that could be the Statute of Jelousy too? One thing is clear, babel (confusion) is plenty, but things seem to be getting clearer. I hope you two don’t go off on too much of a tangent to derail the topic, but I do look forward to seeing you two spar and knowledge come of it. (Heh – Fair fight, nothing below the belt, no time outs.)

    This morning and afternoon the sky was partly cloudy and quite filled with chemtrails. They disappeared in the evening giving way to clear skies which remained so even until now.

    I should go for a drive and check out my southern sky, but I can’t, from what I can tell, the sky seems normal. Unfortunately though, I don’t know enough about the constellations to be of much use there.

  598. clark Says:

    @NMS, after I watched your other video (that’s not you in the video, it’s the truthergirls?) I wondered about those, “cloaked” jets. We talked about them somewhat in Part I, they are TR-3B as far as we know. But WHY would they cloak? What’s the point? Are they running short of jets with tank capacity? Or is it just practice? Or are there places where they do tree-top level flights and a jet would freak everyone out, but just them chemtrails raises no eyebrows? And if they were doing tree-top level flights, I wonder if they are being shot at and the, “cloak” reduces their chances of being hit, especially at night.

  599. Nightmareskies Says:

    Immortal Technique – ” Point of No Return ” used as background commentary for chemtrails over Englandhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpb_LiK4syI

  600. Nightmareskies Says:

    Hopefully this link will work : – )

  601. Nightmareskies Says:

    And to complete the trilogy, here’s Immortal Technique with ” Cause of Death”……Warning – Bad language and a confusing start….but give it a listen…….and all will become clear : – )

  602. AntiLieGuy Dude Says:

    clark: haha Im not arguing with Darren. he will find out on 10-10-09 what the bible says all for himself. Im sick of arguing and debating when it could all so easily be replaced with reading and thinking…..two things severely lacking in this country, especially the latter.

    darren: Please read the two pages of my document that show the description of the Mountains of Israel. Tell me how the little shithole in the middle east can fit any of those, much less all of them.

  603. Darran Says:

    Hi Clark, thanks for the welcome. This is a really interesting discussion going on here and I have enjoyed reading it. I have just finished Dude’s document and I must say I appreciate the work that has gone into it, however whilst there is some interesting insight there are also many mistakes.
    I completely agree with a few of the points he made, and his biblical case for Planet X’s passage is sound. He is also right in pointing out that most of the relevant scriptures regarding the end times are unknown to mainstream Christianity because the are contained in the prophets.

    As far as I can see the next prophetic milestone in the Bible is a Middle-Eastern nuclear war. Even those who do not believe in the bible should see that one coming…. but it IS NOT the war in which America (mystery Babylon) is destroyed which happens AFTER the passage of Planet X when America is a sitting duck, here satellites and early warning systems having been wiped out.

    By the way, God has an escape plan for his children. It does not include hoarding food and water… 🙂 It has nothing to do with the Rapture either, which is an unscriptural doctrine spread by the apostate servants of Satan who have infiltrated the pews of our churches.
    God will behave the same way he has behaved all throughout Scripture: he will callout his children…and then pour out his wrath.
    God called his children out of Egypt and THEN he poured out his wrath in the form of plagues.
    God did not hand Lot flame-retardant pajamas, he told him to leave Sodom and Gomorrah and THEN he destroyed the City.

    He will behave in exactly the same way this time round, because God is consistent. There is no need to panic and store or hoard supplies.

    Two or three more points for Dude if you care to discuss them:

    – the abomination of desolation has yet to be set up in the temple, which has yet to be re-built.
    – the Gospel has not yet been preached to all nations as a witness, it is impossible for mere Christian ministries to do so, however those who take this as a sign that the End is still far off are sadly deluded…
    – the synagogue of Satan as you correctly assume is zionism, and the vast majority of jews in Israel today are of Kahzar origins. There are only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and half of the Levites in Israel today. Therefore your last question is EXTREMELY interesting: where are the other 10 tribes?

    By the way, my treatment of God’s promise to Abraham shows you that scripturally, God gave them the land and fulfilled his promises. FULLY. That raises an interesting question does it not? If God already fulfilled his promise, then he was not fulfilling it when the State of Israel was created after the war!!
    How deluded Christians in the US are today when they blindly support Israel because they think that by doing so they are pleasing God… they are supporting one of Satan’s greatest schemes and deceptions, whilst the bloodthirsty massacres of ‘semitic’ Arabs (O the irony…!) will be counted as blood on their very own hands…

    Which brings us to wonder about the holocaust. It is after all the ‘uniqueness’ of ‘jewish’ suffering that allowed them to claim Palestine. What then if this is not God’s doing….?
    I’ll let that question float as it is illegal where I live (in the EU) to question such matters….

    Regarding Chemtrails I think I am very lucky where I live, as there do appear to be occasional sprayings, but although the sky is mostly white here in Malta we do not have daily chemtrails…. I have seen nothing for 3 days now, although some clouds at dawn are suspicious.

  604. Darran Says:

    Please quote the relevant verses Dude, and I will show you how wrong you are. I’m still waiting for you to place the US between two rivers in the middle-east….

    Apparently the fact that Joshua himself credited the Lord with fulfilling his promise to give them the land doesn’t trouble you either. You are simply taking scripture and doing your best to make it say what you want. Well it doesn’t work.
    Stop pretending to be such an expert on the bible, it is quite apparent you are not.

  605. Darran Says:

    OOoops…I’d better expand on something I said about the Rapture before I get crucified. The rapture is not unscriptural, pre-tribulation rapture is.

  606. AntiLieGuy Dude Says:

    Hey Darren. Im not arguing or debating the issue. You either see it or you dont. Either way, you WILL see it on 10-10-09. peace.

  607. Darran Says:

    Hmmm…that is less than satisfatory. If I show you bible verses wich contradict what you say, and you are unable to show me a SINGLE bible verse that shows America as the promised land, then where is your credibility?

    Dude 12:3 “the end is near because i say so”

    Yeah well, that’s fine, I suppose you won’t be around on the 11th so we can all have a good laugh?

    I suppose I just want to point out to any of the others who’s biblical knowledge is on par with yours that you are in error. Pretty easy to just duck out of arguing because ‘you are tired’ of people who don’t know their bibles. My opinion is that if you bother to post something then you should be prepared to defend your ideas. Assuming you can of course, which is not that apparent, in which case your unwillingness to discuss further makes a lot more sense.

    How hard can it be to quote 1 verse that supports the idea that America is the promised land? That’s a rhetorical question….obviously.

    The bible according to Dude and the Word of God are two completely different things. Seeing as you are unwilling to discuss any of this I’ll spare you the breakdown of your other numerous theological errors.

    One thing is obvious though, you operate in the flesh and not in the spirit.

  608. Darran Says:

    I hope you don’t get the wrong impression, and thanks for the couple of insights I did glean from your work. I am grateful for them and will be looking into them in the coming days.

  609. Ursa Major Says:

    Thanks, Darren, for your insights on Bible prophecy. I think you are right on with most of what you say. I am not sure about Nibiru, though. But then, I obviously don’t know everything, either. 😉

    What you say about Israel is very thought provoking and I have a feeling that you are right. Which throws a lot of my previous beliefs into the trash heap. But hey, such is life. I will have to read and meditate on that one.

    I don’t believe in a pre-trib rapture, either. In fact, I am not sure about any rapture (and I am at odds with what my pastor believes there, but he is a fallible man, too).

  610. AntiLieGuy Dude Says:

    darren: i already told you, read the two pages of Bible verses that describe the country that gets its ass kicked, the one that God promised Jacob back in the day. if you believe in the “rapture” theory then read Amos 5:18. If you read my document, then read Ezekiel and Amos, you may see it, you may not but either way, you’ll see it in a little less than 3 months.

  611. Nightmareskies Says:

    Hello everyone. Here’s a great site ( based in Phoenix, I think ). Click on ” Today’s Weather ” for a large selection of photos accompanied by wonderful sardonic commentary.


    ” Connections ” = excellent essay. I urge you all to read

    ” Official Reports ” = a large selection of PDF documentation…which I haven’t yet had a chance to dig into

    After a rare 2 day clearish sky break,they were back Saturday night…and all day today. Bleak, gray, no rain, headaches, brain fog, irritable, and EXTREMELY tired. You know the drill. : – (

  612. Nightmareskies Says:

    Uschi….this is one of the best, and comprehensive articles I have ever read on chemtrails ” The Methodic Demise of Natural Earth” by Michael Castle PhD :
    R. Michael Castle PhD is an Environmental Professional whom holds a National Certification for Environmental Risk Assessment with 15 years of field practice in Environmental Risk Assessment, Investigation, Analyses and Remediation. A Polymer Chemist for 22 years prior to establishment of the Environmental Consulting and Engineering Firm, Castle Concepts Consultants, Inc.

    Here’s the link :


    I, for one am going to print out copies of this article for all the ” scientific ” chemtrail deniers I know.

    Print it out, Uschi. Slap it on the kitchen table for your husband to read. INSIST that he reads it ! Keep hounding him. And then give it to your children, who think their mother is nuts. Make them read it.

    What Dr. Castle has to say is IRREFUTABLE !

  613. Nightmareskies Says:

    Freak Beijng Storm Turns Day Into Night ( check this pic, 11:30 AM Beijing time …scroll down on the link )


  614. ericswan Says:

    Hey Darran: Welcome aboard. My comment for you is to say that Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies of the old testament which is to for all intents and purposes, the fulfillment of the 7 times 70 weeks = 7 times 70 weeks and not 490 years. And creation was 6 days, not “well God’s days are actually a thousand years. He wanted us to know that He created in 6 days because that is what He said.

    The prophecy of Jesus is the promise of a “comforter” and that is not the same as the “Holy Spirit” who was upon the waters at the time of creation. We are in the period of the Holy Ghost and until he speaks what he hears, we are in a holding pattern.

    As far as quoting chapter and verse, I will trust Jesus when He says look to the comforter for the truth.

  615. clark Says:

    @NMS, while I didn’t get a headache, my household got one yesterday, but I was extremely tired and we all experienced excessive irritability.
    I saw some of those brown clouds mingled with many white clouds yesterday.
    We have so few breaks in the flights overhead, fairly steady today too, although, thankfully, the irritability is gone.

  616. Ursa Major Says:

    Thanks, NMS, for those links. Great finds. Unfortunately, my husband will NOT read anything scientific or technical (unless it is obviously Christian), as he simply hasn’t got the intelligence to grasp the concepts. In the past, he’d have me read those things and then explain it to him in simple language. Which obviously, this time, would be useless, as he wouldn’t listen.

    This morning, he stepped outside (he works from home), and exclaimed joyfully, “What a beautiful, glorious day, I just absolutely LOVE this time of year!” I kept my mouth shut and ignored him, as the sky was mostly blue, but there were many obvious chemclouds in that blue sky.

    I asked him the other day, why he thinks that the air over NATO countries must be drastically different. Because ‘consistent contrails’ only appear over NATO countries, but suddenly stop (unless carried by wind) at the border to the next, non-NATO country. Why does he think it is, that in the sky over non-NATO countries they only get the fast vanishing, ‘old fashioned’ kind of contrail?

    Predictably, he looked confused for a moment, and then started talking about something else, totally ignoring my question.

    But hopefully I made him think.

  617. clark Says:

    @Ursa Major, I keep being reminded of, “eyes that cannot see, ears that cannot hear…” does that biblical saying apply to only one particular thing? Perhaps if you simply and only told him he wore that label he would, “see?” I know many guys who are not science-literate, I half expect them to deny the existence of the atom because they cannot see it or touch it, at least they can see chemtrails, and yet…

    I just checked and we have mostly clear skies and it does feel very comfortable outside, but I refuse to call it a nice day anymore. The chemtrail jets disappeared, and I still can’t figure out any rhyme or reason and pattern for their madness. With the calm winds perhaps it’s simply that they achieved their objectives, and on windy days it requires more intense and repeated applications to achieve their objectives?

    I wasn’t alive in the Agent Orange days, was there widespread denial and a refusal to even consider such activities back then?
    Wasn’t the Love Canal approached by the public and the media in the same way? I sort of remember Saturday Night Live making fun of the Love Canal, but I’m not sure.

    As a former highly patriotic American the idea of moving to places like Venezuela seemed to me the most terrible thing to do, but now such non-NATO places look appealing. I read where the Amish are moving there, maybe the Amish are onto something?

    @Dude, there is a list of food stuffs people are supposed to have, mentioned in Ezekiel, do you have such? If so, any links for where/how you did so? Etc… And, so you’re staying put or moving?

    Future nuclear war is one thing, but I’ve simply had it with being sprayed like livestock. Am I going to go anywhere? Good question, let me check my pile of cash…haha, as if.

  618. Ursa Major Says:

    I wished I could move. But where to? I am a German citizen, so I could leave here and move to an EU country. But they are spraying in all of them, too. So, that would be pointless.

    You have to have independent money or skills a country wants to move there, and I have neither (and I am in poor health). So, I guess I’ll have to stay put, like it or not.

    It is very windy here today, so maybe the chemclouds will move away and leave the sky blue for a change. But I am sure that they’ll start spraying as soon as that happens. Blue sky isn’t allowed any more.

  619. ericswan Says:

    This website went up in the last couple days. The person responsible for it is off the grid, lives in N Z and has his finger on the daily pulse.


  620. Darran Says:

    Anti-Lie Guy

    Please point me to the page numbers in question, I’m having trouble figuring out which ones. Taking a dates from chronicles of the old testament, deciding you like them, and applying them arbitrarily to the future simply does not work. Maybe you “see” it but that doesn’t help others who rely on scripture and not feelings. Lets talk about it on the 11th of October shall we….


    Hi, and thanks for the welcome. I’m not sure what you were aiming at when you say “Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies of the OT” because he most definitely did not, although he most definitely will :). First of all because some of the prophecies are dual prophecies but above all because of the Feasts of the Lord. I will explain what I mean below.

    Ursa Major

    I have a lot more to say on Israel….but it is not really necessary, the bible is pretty clear. God fulfilled his promise, the bible is clear on that point and leaves no room for discussion. The promise to receive the land was unconditional (Deuteronomy 9:5) and as an everlasting possession (Genesis 13:15 – Genesis 17:8), but here’s the catch: the promise to retain the land was conditional (Joshua 23:15-16).
    In fact, it’s in this very context that the captivity and return to the land were foretold all throughout Deuteronomy (Deuteronomy 4:25-27 and 28:15-68 and 30:1-10)

    The nation of Israel was established on a lie, and it was Satan who willed it rather than the Lord. Try telling your pastor that…. 🙂

    Let me share something else with you which will show you how little we actually know our bibles and why.

    There is compelling evidence that points to 95% of the bible having been written in Hebrew (not Aramaic btw which was adopted under Babylonian captivity), which is NOT what I was taught in bible college, but if you love the truth more than “traditions of men” then a lot of doctrine will have to go… The NT was not written originally in Greek, but actually in Hebrew. Although we have no texts to prove this, when the NT is retranslated from Greek to Hebrew word for word and then back to English, all of a sudden a lot of Jesus’ sayings that are difficult suddenly make plain sense.

    The example I wanted to discuss is something I picked up from one of Celline’s posts where she was contesting the fact that Dude was able to give dates, paraphrasing, “Jesus said he didn’t know but you do?”

    Now Celline was obviously referring to Matthew 24:36. Christians
    generally understand that when Jesus said “no man knows the day or the hour, not even the angels but only the father” that they would be wasting time in trying to date future events with regards to prophecy. After all, Jesus said so clearly.

    But did he?? 🙂

    Firstly we need to recognize that the feasts of the Lord are prophecies of milestones in God’s plan for mankind. These milestone events must each happen on the very day of the festival that pictures them.(on God’s lunar-agricultural calendar revealed to Israel, NOT the Gregorian calendar) All of Bible prophecy, especially Revelation, centers around the fulfillments of the feast days on the Biblical calendar (rather than the Jewish calendar). Of these feasts Paul said they are “shadows of good things to come” (Col 2:16-17). Jesus said that the entire Torah containing these feasts was prophetic and must be fulfilled. This statement comes from the misunderstood
    Sermon on the Mount [ericswan this bit is for you]:
    Matthew 5:17-18 (HCSB) — “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished”

    Jesus here plainly says that not only the writings of the prophets such as Isaiah must be fulfilled, but also the writing of Moses must be fulfilled. This means that the Torah, like the Prophets, is prophetic. Christians miss this crucial clue because they are taught that this passage means something completely different, that when Christ came the first time he was “fulfilling all of the Torah for us so nobody ever has to again”.
    Jesus did say he came to fulfill, but the immediate context makes it impossible that he fulfilled everything then. The Torah will not be completely fulfilled until heaven and earth are passed away, which is an actual future event (Isa 65:17; Rev 21:1). Before that, there are the fall feasts of the Lord that have yet to be fulfilled, including the Feast of Trumpets.Jesus only fulfilled some of the days of the spring feasts of the Lord in the First Century and none of the fall feasts. All of these events, including the Passover, come from Leviticus 23 in the Torah. There are seven special annual festivals listed there (in addition to the Sabbath day, again, also prophetic, picturing the peaceful Millennium under God’s government).

    Most Christians realize that Jesus died at the time of the Passover sacrifice, becoming our Passover Lamb, which was a prophetic type of him. Jesus fulfilled another event on the prophetic holy day calendar called the Feast of the Firstfruits. This is the day when the wave sheaf of barley was presented towards heaven by the high priest. This falls always on a Sunday,seven weeks before Pentecost Sunday. As every Christian knows, Jesus was resurrected on “the first day of the week” or Sunday.
    In other words, Jesus was resurrected to heaven on the very day that the high priest was waving the firstfruits sheaf up to God as prescribed in Leviticus 23, in direct fulfillment of this prophetic feast day. To sum up, Jesus was not only the Messiah and the Passover lamb but he was also the “wave sheaf”.

    In the same way, the rest of the prophetic feast days of Leviticus 23 must be fulfilled on the very day of their celebration.

    Back to Matthew 24:36.

    In Jesus’ day the Biblical calendar months still were reckoned by the first visible crescent of the moon which could appear either on the 29th or 30th day of the current month. So, the new month began on the evening that the first sliver of the new crescent moon became visible (Biblical days begin at sunset, not midnight). Their system was to wait for two witnesses of the new moon before declaring a new month on the 29th instead of the 30th (just as the Two Witnesses will do upon their resurrection -Rev 11:12).
    Yet even with today’s technology, we cannot predict with 100% accuracy at what moment the first day of the new Biblical month will begin. Weather and atmospheric conditions are just too variable to predict if two sets of human eyes will be able to spot that dim sliver of the new moon. The Feast of Trumpets is the only festival that falls on the first day of the month… and Jesus’ statement is a Hebrew idiom!

    The Jews of that day referred to the Feast of Trumpets as the “feast of the unknown day and hour.”
    Jesus used that idiom in the Olivet Discourse in the context of talking about the day of his angels coming to rapture God’s servants to heaven. It even says a few verses earlier that this gathering will happen with the sound of
    a great trumpet (Matthew 24:36, 31)! 🙂
    The reason the Jews referred to it as the feast of the “unknown day and hour” was that it was the only one of their holy days that came on the first day of the Biblical month. The one holy day that falls on the first day of the lunar month is still the “feast that no man knows the day and hour of” !

    Jesus was not telling us we were unable to know the timing of events in advance at all. He was actually confirming the specific day of the rapture as the Feast of Trumpets, the only festival that falls on the 1st day of the month!!!

    The rapture will be on the exact day of the feast of trumpets, it is perfectly scriptural. However we will have to survive 3 1/2 years of tribulation first which is where the faith of many will fail as they were expecting to be raptured before the persecutions of Christians commence. If you have heard of the FEMA camps and the guillotines ordered from China and currntly stocked on military bases all over the world, then maybe you will remember Rev 20:4:

    “…and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands…”

    The bible CAN be taken litterally, and makes perfect sense, but we need to read the words at face value, and you must understand what that value was according to its original grammatical and historical context.

    I hope you enjoyed that, it blew me away when I did …:)

  621. Darran Says:

    Ursa Major

    I’m not taking credit for that one by the way, and can only point you again to http://www.escapeallthesethings.com to buy the e-book called “Knowing the Future”.

    Trust me, the amount of wisdom you will get there for a few dollars is easily the best investment of your live…:) and should really give you peace nd understanding aabout what is coming.

  622. Nightmareskies Says:

    Darran, you mentioned Bible college in one of your posts. Are you perhaps a minister ? If yes, then perhaps you would like to take a stab at explaining the Christian church’s SILENCE regarding the mass poisoning of the planet which is well underway via HAARP/chemtrails. This silence is tantamount to COMPLICITY with the evil NWO agenda .

    And who exactly is the Synagogue of Satan ? You seem to think that its tiny little Israel with its 5 million people ( 20 % of which are Israeli Arabs ) . And yet you give a pass to the western Christian churches – churches which have within their power the enormous wealth ,Christian media , and the billions of Christian followers who , if MOBILIZED and INFORMED by their pastors , could STOP this insane and absolutely evil ecocide. The Christian churches, alone, have this power. Why do you give them a pass ?

  623. Nightmareskies Says:

    Darran says : “The bible CAN be taken litterally, and makes perfect sense, but we need to read the words at face value, and you must understand what that value was according to its original grammatical and historical context. ”

    I’ll give you a quote from someone who begs to differ with you, Darran – P.D.Ouspensky. Ouspensky was an abstact mathematician/philosopher, born in 1878 in Russia. Among other languages, he was literate in Greek, Russian, German and English. His books were brilliant. He understood quantum physics ( before it even attained its name) and critiqued the mathematical impossibility of the theory of evolution ( which in the first place was only ever a HYPOTHESIS put forth by Darwin, popularized by Herbert Spencer ,and later elevated to a theory and finally to a scientific dogmatic ” truth ” )

    From Ouspensky’s ” A New Model of the Universe ” 1912-1932

    ” The four Gospels are written for the few , for the very few , for the pupils of esoteric schools . However intelligent and educated in the ordinary sense a man may be , he will not understand the Gospels without SPECIAL indications and without SPECIAL esoteric knowledge…….The Epistles of the Apostles , and especially the Epistles of the Apostle Paul , are the building of the Church . They are the ADAPTATIONS of the ideas of the Gospels , the materialisation of them , the application of them to life , very often an application which goes AGAINST the esoteric idea. ”

    “The New Testament is a very strange book . It is written for those who already have a certain degree of understanding , for those who possess a key . It is the greatest mistake to think that the New Testament is a simple book , and that it is intelligent to the simple and humble . It is impossible to read it simply just as it is impossible to read simply a book of mathematics , full of formulae , special expressions, open and hidden references to mathematical literature , allusions to different theories known only to the ” initiated “, and so on . At the same time there are in the New Testament a number of passages which can be understood emotionally , that is , which can produce certain emotional impressions , different for different people , or even for the same man at different moments of his life . But it is certainly wrong to think that these emotional impressions exhaust the whole contents of the Gospels . Every phrase , every word , contain hidden ideas , and it is only when one begins to bring these hidden ideas to light , that the power of this book and its influence on people , which has lasted for two thousand years , becomes clear .”

    ” It is remarkable that by his attitude to the New Testament , by the way in which he reads it , by what he deduces from it , every man shows himself .The New Testament is a general examination for the whole of humanity…and every man by the way in which he reads the New Testament , by what he derives from it , by what he fails to derive , by the fact he does not read it at all , shows the level of his development and his inner state . ”

    ” In each of the four Gospels there are many things consciously thought out and based on great knowledge and deep understanding of the human soul . Certain passages are written with the definite calculation that one man should understand them in one way , another in another way , and a third in a third way , and that these men should never be able to agree as to the interpretation and understanding of what they read ; and that at the same time all of them should be equally wrong , and the true meaning consist of something which would never occur to them of themselves . ”

    ” A mere literary analysis of the style and content of the four Gospels shows the immense power of these narratives. They are written consciously for a definite purpose by men who knew more than they wrote ”

    End quote

    Note- I’ve used capital letters in place of the italics that Ouspensky used.

  624. Darran Says:

    Hi Nightmareskies,

    I went to bible-college because I felt a very strong calling on my life. I am not however a minister, at least not of the traditional type.

    Unfortunately you are 100% right. The Church, for the most part has fallen away. This should come as no surprise as the Bible does predict an apostate church in the last days and a great falling away.

    Unfortunately, the wolves are amongst the sheep. You will very rarely hear ministers calling for repentance and preaching the true gospel nowadays. The truth has been replaced with “name it and claim it” materialistic preaching.

    The sad truth is that the Church has been infiltrated methodically over the last decades, to the point that some of todays ministers are servants of satan. It may seem incredible, but it is true. I don’t mean all churches, but typically the mega-churches and many others aside.

    Understand this: I give no-one the pass and my first thought when I started to learn the truth was the same as yours. I thought I would stand up and preach the truth, wake up the church mobilize and inform, just as you wrote…

    I learnt pretty quickly, even in bible college, that certain truths are too much for people, they just can’t take them. There is only one way to have the opportunity to stand in front of the right audiences and preach this kind of message, and that is for the Spirit of God to fall upon you mightily, not like what passes for manifestations of the Spirit today: I am talking OT might which leaves no-one with any doubt that the Lord is moving.

    As things stand now, stand and preach Chemtrails and the Church will be empty in less than a month….

    I am doing my best to be ready, and I am willing to put everything on the line should that be God’s will, but in and of myself there is not much I can do.

    As for the Synagogue of Satan, it is not even the whole of Israel, but Satans servants, Presidents, CEO’s, Generals…anyone in any key positions of power nowadays who is a whole-hearted servant of Satan and a Jew only in name, conveniently hidden behind the protective screen afforded them by anti-semitism.

    Let me say that you are thinking correctly – I do not know how to go about it but the Church is the key and to spreading the truth. Unfortunately I fear that the task is beyond most of us.

    But once again, God is consistent. Every time he has moved to rescue his people he has raised up a great prophet or leader to do so, to call people to repentance and clearly identify evil.

    He will do so again. I firmly believe so. I’m not giving anyone a pass, but I do understand that they have succeeded in separating the Church into warring denominations, diluting the truth, and discrediting and sidelining real men of God.

    Remember, they have all the money, all the guns, all the intelligence services apparatus, and a lot of spiritual power, released through human sacrifices. That is what 9/11 was in the Spitirtual world by the way: a ritual sacrifice.

  625. Darran Says:

    Regarding the above quote it means absolutely nothing to me for a simple reason: the truths of God cannot be understood without the Spirit of God opening your eyes to them. No amount of intelligence or education (of which the author you quoted appears to have plenty) will cut it.

    “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth”

  626. Darran Says:

    As he says himself:

    “The New Testament is a very strange book . It is written for those who already have a certain degree of understanding , for those who possess a key .”

    That key is the Holy Spirit.

  627. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ Darran….great replies. : – )

    I’m glad you qualiied your statement about Israel / Synagogue of Satan as referring to the Godless leadership of all the countries and international organizations ( chief among them, the UN ) which were involved in creating the current mess in the Middle East. This mess was deliberately created and is SUSTAINED because it fully serves the agenda of the NWO.

    As for 911…..I ‘ve always maintained that it opened another doorway into Hell and I concur with your assessment that 911 was a ritual sacrifice – a ritual sacrifice that timed the explosions to take out not only the WTC workers themselves but to sacrifice a huge number of people whose jobs involve saving LIVES….namely the firemen and EMT personnel.

  628. AntiLieGuy Dude Says:

    read Ezekiel first. The first and 10th chapters describe modern military jets and it describes nukes too. it is the best book for the date of the war. (Ez 24:1-2)
    read Amos, then isaiah, then jeremiah, then habbakuk, then micah, and most of psalms and a lot of others too and you will see a story. it is how God brought his people out of Egypt into their promised land. He said that many nations would come from Abraham and the main one, the Mountains of Israel, in their new land, from sea to sea, flowing with milk and honey, invented rap music and cars and nukes and has mixed and mingled people and has summer & winter houses at the same time, has a contract for freedom for all and yet they have none…..would be the land to be invaded by the nations gathered that is stated to be 10 nations, of which the SCO has 6 members and 4 observers. It just so happens to be that their leader has been threatening us for two years over iran and they have put the hardware in place to nuke and invade us. The bible also says this war will be 2 years before the great earthquakes that erupt yellowstone and split the nation into thirds. That will come from the sign in the heavens that they are hiding now with chemtrails. This is a small brown dwarf star and it is told about and described by all the ancient civilizations of earth. NASA announced they found it in 1983 and then made sure everybody knew it was a mistake 2 weeks later. They already knew it existed by the perturbations of the orbits of the other planets, which is how they discovered neptune and pluto. this is why the time is now to exterminate us and the rush to dictatorship.

    If you would READ my document, you would already know all this and would have seen the news and scripture too. I have to update it with a threat to iran from obama(said he would give them though september, haha wars on 10-10-09 like ezekiel says) and about 4 big quakes over the past two weeks. better get you 2 yrs food and water now or leave the continent.

  629. Ursa Major Says:

    Wow, Darran, I followed a link from the link you gave further up. And it clearly shows that America is the Mystery Babylon of Revelation! It all fits. Here is the link to the document:

    One thing that floored me was this quote (from the 60 reasons why Iraq can’t be Mystery Babylon, and why the USA is):
    “#60. A Populated city named Babylon on a Deepwater Port entryway to New York City

    Revelation 17:18; & 18: 11-19… Did you know that when ships coming in to the harbor facilities of New York City make their final approach to the Harbor channel shipping lanes…they have to come in from the south… heading due North straight for a spot on Long Island called … BABYLON !!! That is right. The city of Babylon, New York features a tall water tower that ship captains use to navigate directly into the harbor channel. They come within view of Babylon before turning west to head into the ports of New York City. It is from this vantage point that I believe Revelation 18: 17-19 takes place.

    From this vantage point…on the deck of a ship…one could quite easily read the letters of the name Babylon on the city water tower!!! Talk about literal?? Now that is indeed literal. This is something that theorists who promote the Iraq = Babylon idea can’t match, because ancient Babylon is not a deepwater seaport. It’s so far away from the ocean that it can not possibly fit the description of Revelation 18: 17-19… in no way. But the USA can… and especially its chief city… a seaport named NYC/Babylon. Also, Babylon on Long Island derived its name because immigrant Jews founded it in 1872. The group’s rabbis chose the name almost prophetically, because they believed it would be home to a new diaspora.”

    Also, it clearly shows that the Statue of Liberty is the Whore of Babylon (I did know that already, but what it says here really underscored what I knew).

  630. Nightmareskies Says:

    And now, for your listening pleasure :

    Israel Kamakawiwo’ole ( Bruddah Iz ) haunting version of ” Somewhere Over the Rainbow ”

    He was only in his thirties when he died. The last part of the vid, where all the people are splashing around in the ocean, is his funeral.

    Iz really is over the rainbow now…BLUE skies and no more chemtrails ( although I think he died before they started poisoning his home in Hawaii .

    leharra, let’s us know what’s going on in the skies of Hawaii today. The situation there is grim. Listen to her commentaries on her chem videos. I just noticed she has the audio on her channel for William Cooper’s ” Behold a Pale Horse ” Here’s a link


  631. Nightmareskies Says:

    And the absolutely beautiful ” E ala E ” by Bruddah Iz :

  632. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ Clark – I’m glad you and your family are feeling better, : – ) . I’m somewhat recovered from this weekend’s assault as well. The operative word being ” somewhat “.

    That irritability , when it strikes , is something else hey ? It feels like being possessed by demons or something ( bad temper, brain-fogged, with an underlying apathy ) and I KNOW it’s that damn ELF energy from HAARP. Most people are affected to one degree or another, even if they are unaware of what’s causing it and make up some excuse to explain the way they’re feeling.

    Be especially careful when driving during these major chemtrail assaults. The police state that we live in should be conducting heavy metal tests instead of checking people to see if they’ve been drinking because the drivers are CRAZY during these CT attacks ( especially if it’s hot out as well). I find the heat really intensifies the toxic effects of both the CTs and HAARP. Although, it was in the dead of winter that my sparrows were all wiped out. But that was an unbelievably heavy 3 wk CT attack with MAJOR HAARP energy involved.

    Cold wind from Hell blowing here all day – NWO, HAARP Hell, that is. The bastards are not giving us ANY rain, and the drying wind is just the kiss of death for anything alive that is struggling to survive in the woods. We’re next ( us irrigation using, residential dwellers ). We are next on the list. Should be able to make it through this year, for the most part, but by next year the reservoirs and aquifers will be running on empty. And then there will go all my gardens. My 10 Maple trees, my 20 American Elm trees ( which I LOVE ), my Weeping Birches and the Mountain Ash…all slated for slow death compliments of the NWO CT drought.

    Don’t know how I will cope. We’ve spent the last 20 yrs developing this yard and we were finally going to get to RELAX, kick back and enjoy the fruits of our labor. Not going to happen. There won’t be water. Everything will die. I’m trying to prepare mentally for this, but no matter how hard I try I just can’t wrap my mind around the fact that this is being done DELIBERATELY. Where my yard and the wildlife are concerned, my hubby and I are all about weeding, watering, feeding the birds and squirrels etc. In other words, nuturing. And the NWO Death Machine is going to make nurturing impossible. Things are about to rapidly devolve into a brute struggle for survival, not just for the plants and animals but for the people of the western countries.

  633. Nightmareskies Says:

    I have many days now when I just don’t feel like going on anymore, it just all feels so hopeless. And I know that’s exactly how the NWO wants us to feel ,those of us who are conscious and awake anyway. So I fight them in my own little ways by trying to awaken those around me, by feeding those birds in my yard which are still alive, by watering the plants, by eating right. But it’s a losing battle. My physical health is sliding in spite of my best efforts – not to mention what the chemtrails are doing to my mental state – most of my family and friends choose to stay deeply asleep, and soon we won’t have water here either.

    How are we supposed to prepare for the greater evil that’s coming ? The slow motion torture that we’ve been subjected to so far has ALREADY drained me. And all we’ve experienced is the headlights of the train that’s racing toward us. When that baby HITS, God help us !

    Get your spiritual house in order I suppose. But since the heavy handed HAARP attacks started here last spring , that damn ELF energy has cast me into a kind of spiritual darkness. I can’t really access God anymore, not the way I used to be able to all my life. Oh, I still feel the spiritual protection around me, but it’s like all the rest of that awesome energy ( peace,joy, love ) has been locked away and HAARP stole the key from me. My spiritual discernment is still intact, but my prophetic precognitive dreams ( rare but ALWAYS accurate) have been replaced with nightmares. And I can’t walk around with an oblivious God-struck grin on my face while breathing the toxic chemtrail air. Not when I see the suffering all around me, the little kids coughing and wheezing , the people losing jobs by the millions, the farmers in India and Australia committing suicide in droves because of that damned Monsanto and the deliberately created droughts, the dying trees, bees, and birds, the man-made swine flu that’s morphing as we speak.

    Anyway, I’m at least glad that I found you guys on this forum. Religious nit-picking and Bible interpretation aside, we all have chemtrails in common, and we’re all concerned, and awake and disturbed by what’s happening. So, thanks for listening my cyber friends and I wish you all a chem-free day , in spite of the great odds against it : – ) : – (

  634. ericswan Says:

    I happily recognize that there are a number of spiritually energised bright caring people that have climbed aboard this foundering piece of driftwood in a toxic sea of despair. The only ticket required is one’s discernment that things are not as they should be.
    Someone or “something” has decided that it is a good policy to separate we humans from our sun. Ursa thinks it’s just the NATO countries that do this but, in fact, it’s apparently being carried on in UN countries (Malta not withstanding?)
    The “agenda” posted by 1776 suggests that a cap on carbon is mammon for the NWO. I think it’s more than that and it is an agenda that has worked this planet for a long time. We should all know by now that carbon dioxide is absolutely essential to the wellbeing of this planet. At 400 parts per million, it’s a rare commodity. Greenhouse gases are 95% water and the rest of it is a myriad of toxic substances including, chlorine, ozone, cadmium, and other byproducts of burning fossil fuels or whathaveyou that is not helpful to living systems including the entire planet as a living entity.

    I will wrap this up by saying that any reduction of carbon dioxide will be a force multiplier reduction of oxygen. We are being terra formed.

  635. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ Clark…Everything inside me feels like running, but to where ? The best I can come up with is a new irrigation district : – ) The city of Kelowna gets its water from Lake Okanagan – a long, deep glacial lake – so I figure the lake itself will be the last to dry up ( where we live, just outside the city, our water comes from a rapidly depleting reservoir that relies on winter snow melt ). Lake Okanagan is fed by various creeks that also rely on snowfall to replenish them, but as I said, it’s a big lake and will be the last to go.

    And how crazy is it to be focused on my plants the way I am when I know they’re destined for destruction in the very near future ? But, I can’t help it. I get sucked into the nature vortex despite my knowledge of what’s coming.

    So Venezuela is out for me. My dreams are small – a new irrigation district .

  636. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan – Are you ever in Kelowna ?

    Come see my backyard paradise before it’s drought destroyed .

  637. Darran Says:

    Ursa Major

    A great book on the subject is America the Babylon by Rick Coombes.

    Don’t panic or worry or hoard food. There is no need for that. Gos has promised “Never will I abandon you”, and he means what he says. Get your spiritual house in order and leave the rest to him.

    God will call his children out when it is time, and he will provide the necessary means to leave.

    Rev 18:4

    “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues”

    Anti Lie GUy

    Listen, Ezekiel 24:1-14 is a PAST event. We are talking about the KIng of Babylon laying siege to Jerusalem. That KIng was Nebuchadnezzar, and the event IS a historical FACT.

    Surely you see that taking a date regarding a past event and arbitrarily applying it to a future of your choice in the absence of any biblical indication whatsoever to do so is wrong? You don’t?

    There is no point you coming along and saying, it SAYS Jerusalem but it MEANS something else, it talks about past events but it’s actually about the future and so forth…
    Sorry, but I have no tolerance for ideas which can be disproven so easily or for the classic “the bible doesn’t mean EXACTLY what it says, it means what I say instead.”

    You are taking bible verses out of context and ascribing allegorical meanings to them based upon your own understanding. I think the bible is pretty clear about leaning on one’s own understanding…

    THat’s for the one verse you managed to quote. If you will give precise verses in support of your theories instead of telling me to read the whole Bible, I will pull the rest of your theory apart just as easily.


    “it’s just the NATO countries that do this but, in fact, it’s apparently being carried on in UN countries (Malta not withstanding?)”

    I can confirm; not a single cloud in the sky for the 4th day running. Now that this conversation has got me thinking, I cannot actually remeber ever seeing any here.


    “I have many days now when I just don’t feel like going on anymore, it just all feels so hopeless.”

    If you don’t let the enemy into your home and heart you are living in victory. Every now and again, you need to unplug the NWO and stop focusing on the monkey house.

    The world feels like a roller coaster and we are holding on for dear life. Perhaps we need to let go. We are impoverishing ourselves by constantly focusing on Evil.

  638. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Hello Darran,

    I have enjoyed reading your analysis and welcome your contributions to the forum.

    I agree that God’s will is what will be done when all is said and done, so it is easy to be somewhat fatalistic.

    I agree it is never wise to panic or to give into fear.

    Asking the Lord to bless one with wisdom and discernment is an extremely helpful request in my opinion.

    That said, I personally believe that it is wise to make some provisions for trouble ahead. I leave it to the individuals to decide for him or herself what actions to take, but owning firearms, ammo, storable food and pure drinking water might just help keep some folks from having to go to camp FEMA and get their “mandatory” flu shots!

    Here is an interesting story along the same lines:
    An officer in charge of an ammunition line on the USS New Orleans during the (Pear Harbor Japanese) attack said that, “I heard a voice behind me saying, ‘Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.’ I turned and saw Chaplain Forgy walking toward me, along the line of men. He was patting them on the back and making that remark to cheer and keep them going. I know it helped me a lot, too.”

    All the best,


  639. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ Darran ” If you don’t let the enemy into your home and heart you are living in victory. Every now and again , you need to unplug the NWO…”

    Good advice, but it doesn’t work in the case of chemtrail ecocide. How can one shift ones focus from this evil when it’s EVERYWHERE ? It’s in the missing bees and insects, my dead and staggering sparrows, the poison is in every breath I take and it follows me into my bed at night as it interrupts my sleep . I’m just one of the unlucky ones who happens to be more sensitive to the chems and the HAARP energies. The canary in the coal mine. God, I wish that at least I could get drunk once in awhile or take some drug. But, I’m not a user , so for me there’s no escape. Full hellish lucidity at all times : – (

    We’re living in an open air gulag now , sprayed like roaches almost daily.

    The only thing the bastards will never take from me is my soul, and I suppose that’s a victory of sorts.

    Damn ,this spiritual warfare is tough. Alienation from family and friends who are asleep, debilitating physical and emotional symptoms, and having to watch the destruction of the natural world.

  640. foundingfather1776 Says:

    I forgot to mention, there is an interesting discussion on


    right now regarding this very issue; i.e. “Should we prepare for the worst?”

    I think Dr. Makow sets a good tone to the discussion. At the same time, I can’t help but notice that the Luciferian Globalists seem to be accelerating their attacks (economic crisis, swine flu, chemtrails, etc.).

    This puts me personally right back to square one where I “hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and pray mightily.”

  641. Nightmareskies Says:

    Just a little more-forgive me if I’m rambling, but the chemtrail brain fog has destroyed a lot of my writing capability.

    This is so important. The women on this forum – Uschi and Celline -will know exactly what I’m talking about. The enemy has indeed penetrated deep into our homes and hearts. We have to endure the emotional suffering of watching the natural world around us being destroyed and we have to endure our physical chemtrail induced suffering. But, this suffering pales in comparison to the BETRAYAL that we have endured from those who we love and who love us.

    Betrayal is the word I use because that’s what it feels like. To be ignored, brushed off, hung up on, and called crazy by loved ones is very hard to take. This treatment has me swinging back and forth between anger and apathy . And, very often, these are the very people who , whenever they needed a sympathetic shoulder to cry on, we were there for them, no questions asked, without fail.

    So , now when WE need their empathy and understanding , what do they give us ? A cold shoulder and vinegar to drink, that’s what ! And coming from a husband, a child you’ve nurtured, or a best friend of 30 years this treatment has a devastating impact. Even if they don’t believe us – and in spite of the overwhelming evidence, MOST don’t – where is their EMPATHY for our suffering ?

    Many of the toxic effects of the chemtrails are visible. This is the invisible price that the women on this forum have paid and continue to pay.And it is HELL !

  642. AntiLieGuy Dude Says:

    you said:”Don’t panic or worry or hoard food. There is no need for that. Gos has promised “Never will I abandon you”, and he means what he says. Get your spiritual house in order and leave the rest to him.”

    If people follow your advice THEY WILL DIE!

    Ezekiel happens THIS year. The very first chapter describes modern military jets (if you have enough sense to understand it).

    God has said that He is sending the nations gathered to destroy His people israel for their sins and He also saod for His people to “come out of her and you save your lives”.

    This war is 2 years before Nibiru. Nibiru has not been here since the Bible was written. ezekeil describes nukes. there were no nukes before 1943 in this era. Revelation describes helicopters, there were none before the 1900s. Revelation and other books describe a supervolcano, we have one ready to blow.

    Keep thinking like you are and I promise you that you will perish with every other preacher who doesnt have a clue what their Bible says. Keep telling others to do nothing to prepare and you will pay for their lives when you die too.


  643. AntiLieGuy Dude Says:

    Ezekiel 6:3-6 And say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. And your altars shall be desolate, and your images shall be broken: and I will cast down your slain men before your idols. And I will lay the dead carcasses of the children of Israel before their idols; and I will scatter your bones round about your altars. In all your dwelling places the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate; that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished.

  644. AntiLieGuy Dude Says:

    Everybody see where obama gave Iran until the end of september to stop their (Russia’s) nuclear program? Remember Alexey Fud, George Greene, and Biden telling us there will be another generated crisis with a nuke? Remember Russia saying many times they will nuke us preemptively over Iran??

    Iran is not going to stop their nuclear power-generating facility, and in october, exactly like the Bible says, there will be another false flag event with the nuke they stole in ’07 and on that same day the Nations gathered will destroy us by the end of lunchtime. the Bible is FULL of facts about this war IF you read it and IF you have enough sense to forget everything the church tells you and THINK. its not that hard.

  645. AntiLieGuy Dude Says:

    And the chemtrails are global because the binary brown dwarf star (Planet X or Nibiru or the Destroyer) is visible globally. You other people here should know enough to see a pattern by now. that is why they do it almost every day globally and they have a particular area they always get, for us its around the sun in the evenings (always) but many days, they spray all day. There is no other reason they would do this every day all year. It is certainly not their lie about global warming as many states (~30?) have set record lows this year already. whether or not you believe any of this will have absolutley no affect on its happening. The war will come and Nibiru will come, exactly like the Bible (and other ancient text and prophecies) says.

  646. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ Dude – If, to your way of thinking, the only purpose for the chemtrails is to obscure the sky so we can’t see Nibiru…then what on earth are they using HAARP for ? HAARP energy doesn’t obscure the sky . It kills the bees and the birds and is detrimental to all the biology of this planet, but it sure isn’t being used to hide Nibiru.

  647. clark Says:

    Multiple purposes – primary and secondary.
    Isn’t that the way with everything these days?

  648. Ursa Major Says:

    I have looked up all the lists of NATO and UN member countries. I do believe that ALL NATO countries are being sprayed. But even though I agree that some UN countries that aren’t part of NATO are being sprayed, too, that isn’t true for all of them.

    Anyway, I started searching UN countries, and put ‘israel chemtrails’ into Google. And to my surprise, they are spraying over Israel and other parts of the Middle East!

    Here is a link to a forum, and this particular message came up.

    I’ll be going down the list with time, to see which other UN countries are being sprayed. I don’t believe China is, as I read something that showed they are against it. But on the other hand, they are apparently totally controlling their weather now, obviously messing with normal weather patterns, which will have an effect on the rest of the world, too.

    Here is an interesting video about the media starting to wake up. They don’t seem completely convinced yet, but some are starting to wonder and investigate (if the video doesn’t come right up, scroll down to the eighth from the top):
    [video src="http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_flv/?VID=www.fourwinds10.com/photo_archive/video/071120954xakn.flv" /]

    Dude, how can America be ‘Israel’ and ‘Babylon’ at the same time? I guess time will tell who is right.

    Mind you, ‘Mystical Babylon’ will be completely destroyed and will be under water and uninhabitable forever. I don’t know if it will be the whole continent, though.

    Nightmareskies, I really feel for you. If I would have the putdowns, opposition, derision, health problems as well as my whole environment being destroyed, it would be horrible. I hope it doesn’t come to that. Unfortunately, your valley is surrounded by mountains and makes you a perfect target for experimentation. I’ll be praying for you.

    You know Dude, Russia could just GIVE Iran some nuclear bombs, if they wanted them to have them so badly. But you are right in saying that Russia wants them to be able to make them themselves, and is helping them with materials and expertise.

    And yes, they have given them until October. But they have given them many deadlines before which they just ignored, and nothing happened.

    Darran and Founding, I agree with both of you. Yes, God will take care of us, but it sure won’t hurt to be prepared, if only to be able to help others who don’t have God to help them, because they’re not Christians.

    I am seriously looking at getting myself a small gun, just in case I need one, you never know.

  649. Ursa Major Says:

    Mind you, only God knows if I would actually be able to pull the trigger to hurt, never mind kill, another human being. I have no idea. I might be more likely to do it if protecting one of my children or grandchildren.

  650. Ursa Major Says:

    Sigh, I thought I’d try the most unlikely places for chems. So I tried Iceland. Here is a youtube video of chems over Reykjavik:

    I found this about Serbia. Scroll down a bit until you get to that entry. I doesn’t talk about chems, but something almost more frightening.

    Here is a good video from Australia (yes, I know we know about Australia, but this shows proof from all over Australia).

  651. ericswan Says:

    Author: Nightmareskies

    @ ericswan – Are you ever in Kelowna ?

    Come see my backyard paradise before it’s drought destroyed

    Ditto..I’ll bring some P.D. Ouspensky that you prolly haven’t read…eric swan

  652. ericswan Says:

    I’m looking for a specific article by Adam Trombly that says our electrical system is being used as a weapon against us. I haven’t found it yet but basically, a pulse is sent through our homes to augment the effects of HAARP. Here’s a link to the effects of HAARP


    I have timed out the pulses coming through my electrical grid at a surge every 14 seconds. This is a process of mind bending entrainment. No wonder you’re happier in the garden… The pulses are generally turned on at night and may or may not be synchronized with the ripple clouds which indicate HAARP is up and at em. I was shocked to discover this morning that the big puffy clouds overhead are indeed brown at least on the bottoms. New to me. Thanx for the “heads up”.

  653. Ursa Major Says:

    Wow, Eric, I saved that document. Very interesting. How do you measure the pulses through your electric grid? Maybe my oldest brother in Germany is onto something, he has a switch to turn off power to all electric outlets at night, so they won’t be affected by electromagnetic waves while they sleep.

  654. ericswan Says:

    I bought an RF Signal Strength Meter at http://www.zapchecker.com.

    It’s not cheap.


    This article is why I bought an RF Model ZC 185


  655. Anonymous Says:

    NMS: i dont know all the purposes of haarp but i suspect they use it to disperse the chemtrails and that would perfectly explain those clouds that take on an appearance of magnetic flux lines.

    Ursa: You cant pay attention to the names in the bible in these prophecies. people were shown visions and told to write them. they used the names and words they knew. the story and descriptions are perfect.

    Russia doesnt want iran to have a nuke and iran isnt trying to get one. they are building a power station. what the war is about is control of money and oil and russia is not going to let us have iran too. On a higher level, the elite are planning this extermination cause we use up all their resources.

    eric: you need one of these: http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?nid=-536902959.536881892.00&cc=US&lc=eng

  656. Ursa Major Says:

    So, now that you know that pulses are happening all through the night, what can you do about it?

  657. Nightmareskies Says:

    About the pulses – we’ve been living in an electromagnetic swamp for a long time but this existing EM energy never bothered me and it never harmed my birds.It wasn’t until they started the heavy CTs here last spring and started slamming us with HAARP energy that my own health started to suffer.

    The HAARP ELF/ULF energy is of an entirely different magnitude of evil . The effects are so pronounced. I have a friend who is far more energy sensitive than I am, so we spent a lot of time on the phone last spring/summer comparing notes. Both of us are now able to distinquish easily between the CT effects and the HAARP effects.

    CTs – headaches, nose bleeds ( his whole family, and his wife’s family as well ), skin blisters that
    feel like the beginning of a common cold sore but never turn into one ( from the barium ), gastrointestinal problems , chest pains, irregular heartbeat, compromised immune system , burning eyes, sore throat, difficulty breathing ( these are only some of the symptoms, but they’re the main ones for his family and my own )

    HAARP – spaced out feeling,extreme irritability, short term memory loss, brain fog, sleep disturbances, dizziness and loss of balance, and the strangest one of all is an excrutiating nerve pain inside the left ear -not inside the ear drum, but just above the lobe on the inside part of the ear

    Most people are clueless as to what’s causing these symptoms. It’s interesting that a few weeks ago , while we were under another major CT/HAARP attack, my husband went to his usual Saturday morning golf game ( there are about 15 people in the group he golfs with). When he got there, HALF the golfers didn’t show up to golf that day because they just didn’t ” feel right “. Turns out that every single one of them was experiencing balance problems . These guys are golf fanatics, they golf in the rain, the snow, or with their limbs in a cast.But on that particular day, their HAARP induced equilibrium problems were so bad that it kept them off the course.

    It’s wise to learn how to tune into the HAARP energy and take the necessary precautions to keep yourself from taking a header down a flight of stairs or falling off a ladder,

    But it’s my birds who’ve borne the brunt of the HAARP attacks so far. Their poor little bodies just don’t have enough mass to fight off the ELF effects. On bad HAARP days their equilibrium is shot to hell and they impact my outside windows in rapid succession ( my non-sparrow birds that is, because my sparrows are all dead ).I’ve never seen anything like it.

  658. Nightmareskies Says:

    David Dees understands HAARP’s terrible effects. This artist’s picture says it

    all :http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/haarp_dees.jpg

  659. Nightmareskies Says:

    Oops, I’ll try to re-link that pic :

  660. Nightmareskies Says:

    Energy. Call it Chi, prana, etheric energy – which is what Tesla was working with before the PTB essentially shut him down- call it by any name you like…it’s all the SAME.

    And it’s time for everyone to understand that the malevolent manipulation of this energy is an integral part of the CT/HAARP campaign. Here’s a video demo of Chi energy :

  661. clark Says:

    @Eric, so I was right about my cheap RF electrical meter, thanks. You do not stop making me think ever wider thoughts. I do not know how you keep finding these informative links. “Nuclear bombs on a pole” all I can say is, wow, Popular Mechanics has nothing on you.

    @Ursa Major, shooting paper targets is fun. The time to learn how to use a gun is before you need to use one. A couple of links for you:

    Women, Stop Watching Oprah and Learn to Love Guns

    Buying Your First Handgun

    Two Shots, Two Kills

    I’ve been thinking this the last few days:

    A partial definition of Chemtrails:
    Chemtrails is such a, “conspiracy” type of word that it instantly causes many clueless people to tune out any further discussion and to be disinclined to accept any facts surrounding the word. I think chemtrails should be referred to as its correct description: advanced weaponized military chaff.
    People would focus on the word chaff, asking what it is, and others could respond that it is something that has been in use since WWII to hide airplanes and ground forces from enemy radar. That is pretty straight forward and easy to accept. Today’s version of weaponized chaff, while still used for hiding air forces, ground troops and bases from enemy radar, contains many toxic and possibly harmful chemicals to enable it to be used for other weaponry purposes such as weather control or attacking ground troops and crowds with painful microwaves among possible other unknown uses.

    Chaff was used in WWII
    Do people think these things don’t get advanced?
    Is the photo on the Wikipedia website one of the first chemclouds? It sure looks that way.

  662. Nightmareskies Says:

    And here’s another. Youtube won’t play this clip any more but luckily I found a copy in…of all places…one of David Icke’s forums. Just click on ” Qigong Master Boils Water With His Hands Pyrokinesis ”


    There is about a 30 second black-out right after the intro….just wait and the entire clip will play. I thought the part where he walked across the suspended paper panels without breaking them was cool.

  663. Nightmareskies Says:

    The best way to understand this all -pervasive energy is to experience it for yourself, but short of that, the vids will have to do .


    Chi/etheric energy permeates and impacts every living thing in this biosphere we call home , although main stream science denies its existence – no surprise there. As for quantum physics, I’m not really sure if they are working with this energy or not – ericswan, perhaps you can help me out in this dept ?


    God tuned the etheric energy to a very specific FREQUENCY in order to facilitate and nurture life ( a healing frequency, like in the vids ).Change the frequency and you can kill with it. HAARP and the other 50 phased array antennae systems are changing the God – frequency by deploying ELF ( extremely low frequency ) and ULF ( ultra low frequency ). These frequencies are NOT conducive to life . Just ask the dead bees and birds.


    Why can’t most people feel how HAARP is changing the etheric frequency? Because most people spend their entire lives tuned out to this energy.The lying govt scientists tell them etheric energy doesn’t even exist in the first place, so what is there to tune into ? Consequently, most people have no idea what Mother Nature’s frequency FEELS like . Now let’s throw in all the uppers and downers that get people through the day – Starbucks and Hortons caffeine uppers all day, and then downers all night – pot, alcohol,TV, tranquilizers, sleeping pills, you name it . Can you see how we’re getting further and further from the natural etheric frequency which we were meant to experience ? Now let’s add in fluoride, ritalin and the psychotropic pharmaceuticals . How much further are we NOW from our God given etheric energy field ? Far, far away .


    The ELF/ULF HAARP energy bombardment is so heavy -handed these days that I think we’ve reached a point where a lot of people are experiencing a variety of symptoms based on this energy shift. But most people are energy-numbed and not capable of determining the CAUSE of their symptoms. Feeling tired for no reason ? Grab another cuppa java. Headache for no reason ? Reach for another Advil. Irritable for no reason? Better up the scrip for Prozac and light up another joint. And so it goes. And the NWO knows this. They know we’ve been reduced to brain fried , energy numbed zombies because the NWO studies us under a microscope. And they know it, too , because they themselves have worked for a very long time and very hard on programming humanity exactly into this shape. This human degeneration represented the perfect conditions under which to deploy the Chemtrail/HAARP weapons system . So the NWO did just that- knowing all the while that most people would not SEE the chemtrails or be able to FEEL the harmful HAARP energy . And the few, the very few, who could still see and feel, and who figured it out ? Well, they posed no threat. The NWO knew that the rest of the peoples would never believe them anyway. BLIND, NUMB, and DUMB . The NWO loves us.

  664. Nightmareskies Says:

    It’s extremely harmful the way the Christian churches have dumped meditation, Qigong, and chi /etheric energy into the satanic New Age basket. And, no, I’m NOT New Age. I think the chief evil of New Age is the promotion of moral relativism ie: good and evil are indistinquishable from each other. Or, if I remember his quote correctly , as Deepak Chopra put it ” The saint and the sinner are merely exchanging footnotes ” – in other words, there’s basically no difference between the two. I have never ascribed to this loony philosophy. There IS good, there IS evil and the two are vastly different, polar opposites.

    Chi/ etheric energy is anything BUT New Age. It’s age old. As old as God . : – ) And, make no mistake, it is REAL.

    So don’t let the church dogma scare you, etheric energy is not demonic or satanic energy by any stretch of the imagination. Although, the WAY in which it’s currently being manipulated by the good folks up at HAARP IS satanic.

    So learn about it, work with it, play with it but most importantly – become AWARE of it ! Become more Tesla-like. Kudos to Tesla…the MASTER of frequency.

  665. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Nightmareskies, THANK-YOU for the great video finds on Chi energy and the very insightful analysis you bring to the discussion. I just watched both videos and they are amazing.

    I know a little about Tesla, but I want to learn more.

    As I have said before, the kind of people that read and study the information covered here are not “normal.” Thank-goodness!

    Unfortunately, “normal” is now believing whatever lies the Government or media tells you, watching hours of TV everyday, ignoring chemtrails, mockingly deriding “conspiracy theories” and so on.

    Everyone that participates and contributes to this blog and others like it; or that creates their own blogs, websites or literature and searches for the truth while freely sharing their insights with their fellow humans is a rare and unique individual. Thanks to all of you that have contributed!

    We may not always be right, we may not always agree, but the perceptive, wise and analytical minds that seek understanding are so precious to me, I never tire of encountering them!



  666. Nightmareskies Says:

    HAARP is a VERY powerful and extremely harmful way of altering frequency. But, it’s just the latest in the elite’s arsenal of evil.

    Read this short article on how we’ve been subjected to frequency manipulation by the NWO via the music we listen to.


    And on the next link, listen for yourselves to the difference between 432 Hz and the NWO imposed 440 Hz.


  667. Ursa Major Says:

    Thank you, Clark for your gun information. Unfortunately, I may not be able to get one. I looked up the Canadian gun laws, and this is a sample:

    “To own or buy rifles and shotguns, Canadians are required to take the Canadian Firearms Safety Course. Owning or buying handguns, requires completion of the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course.

    Spousal Notification Required
    Under the new law, all Canadian citizens applying for a firearms license are required to have their present and past spouse or common-law partner sign the application. Refusal of the spouse, for any reason, to sign the application will trigger further investigation by law enforcement officers.

    In addition, the Canadian government has set up a “spousal notification” toll-free information line (1-800-731-4000) through which spouses can report crimes or express concerns about a person’s qualifications to posses firearms.

    Handgun Ownership Restricted
    Canada, with a population of 31 million, limits possession of handguns to collectors, target shooters and those who can demonstrate a need of guns to protect their lives.

    In addition to licensing all gun owners and buyers, the Canadian Firearms Act requires every gun in the Country to have a certificate of registration.”

    I was planning on getting one without my husband knowing. But not only do they require the husband to sign, but even former spouses and common law ‘spouses’ are supposed to sign! That will effectively stop many people from being able to buy a gun.

    I can’t prove that I need one for self-defense. They would laugh at me, living in a small town like I do, a 30 minute drive to the next city (Barrie).

    I am certainly no collector, I couldn’t afford to buy more than one. I am also not a hunter.

    Meaning, that if I really want one, it would have to be illegal. Which would be best, as I’d prefer the government not knowing I own a gun. Because the day will come, when they get out the gun registry and go and collect all the legal guns, at gunpoint if necessary (some irony, isn’t it). And I am sure they’ll shoot or at the least jail anybody who refuses to hand over their firearms.

    But I am no criminal. I wouldn’t have the foggiest idea how to get an illegal gun, and to safely do that without risking my life with a shady character.

    Isn’t it crazy, that somebody like me even has to THINK this way?

    Thanks, FoundingFather for your kind words. I appreciate your blog very much, as here I am able to say things ‘normal’ people think are crazy. Unfortunately, I am completely surrounded by those ‘normal’ people, and while I am NOT crazy, sometimes I feel that they will eventually drive me crazy!

    Nightmareskies, I don’t have the time right now to watch the videos, but I sure will later on. Your insights are very much appreciated. I know I am very sensitive to energies, and therefore suffer more than most.

  668. Ursa Major Says:

    Here is an excerpt from another page of the official government site on gun control:

    “Results of Canada’s New Firearms Act
    On Feb. 11, 2000, the Canadian Firearms Centre reported the following objectives of the Firearms Act of 1995 as already being met:

    * Across Canada, 1,287 firearms licenses have been refused or revoked for public safety reasons since the new law came into effect December 1, 1998. This is over ten times more revocations from potentially dangerous individuals than the total for the past five years.

    * Thanks to continuous background checks, 653 new applications have been refused for public safety reasons and we have revoked 634 licenses to individuals who were no longer eligible.

    * Since Dec. 1, 1998, approximately 8 percent (3,439) of all gun sales have resulted in cases where the new background checks required further investigation. Of these, approximately 8 percent (281 cases) of the sales were refused.

    * The new spousal notification line has received over 2,800 calls. This has proven to be an excellent tool for an applicant’s spouse (or others) to share concerns about public safety.

    * Police now have an online registry of owners and their firearms.

    * Extensive background checks are conducted on every person (59,132 to date) who acquires a firearm. (Similar to the requirements of the United States’ Brady Handgun Control Act, Canadian authorities conduct extensive background checks on every applicant before a license is issued and before a firearm is transferred to a new owner.)”

    Doesn’t it make you all feel better that now the police have an online registry of owners and their firearms?

    Or that they have revoked a whole lot of licenses? While it is possible that SOME of those were a good idea, I very much doubt that ALL those people were actually dangerous.

  669. clark Says:

    @Ursa Major, You could always make one yourself, people do it all the time, another possible hobby. History shows governments disarm their citizens before they unleash great suffering. What they are doing in Canada is terrible and the Canadian gov’t is acting very much like the Nazis of old, “Papers please.” Why worry about saftey when buying from the black-market, basically you’re already an outlaw for showing others how the chemtrailing/HARRP overlords don’t worry about our saftey, and the black-market isn’t really all that dangerous anyway, it’s another state sponsered myth, you have more to fear from the goon squad gov’t agents enforcing their will over the meek, poor and defenseless.
    Canada … limits possession of handguns to … target shooters. You could tell your husband you want to try a new hobby, both of you could target shoot. It is great fun.
    If it wasn’t for the gun laws, I would move to Canada.

    They are spraying chaff very heavily here today, it’s amazing how fast they can change a blue sky into a white covering. At first it came down very misty like, I haven’t seen it so misty before. I got to see chaff laying jets up high and passenger jets with no contrails whatsoever below them, such a contrast.

  670. foundingfather1776 Says:

    My goodness Ursa! I knew Canadian gun laws were bad, but I had no idea they were THAT bad!

    What a horrible, Nazi-like, big-brother mentality your *loving* Government has! All for *your safety* of course!

    I am so eternally thankful that OUR “Founding Fathers” specifically protected the God-Given RIGHT to self-defense in our Constitution.

    Many, many politicians here (including our “Dear Leader”) would love to abolish our 2nd Amendment, and some Cities, like Chicago, NYC, & Washington D.C. already basically have.

    However, Americans are, unlike any other nation, armed to the teeth.

    Remember what started the First American Revolution? It wasn’t tea being thrown into the river. It was when British soldiers TRIED TO TAKE OUR GUNS!

    I wonder if history will repeat itself?

    Here is a synopsis of “The Shot Heard Round The World”

    Battle at Lexington Green, 1775

    Massachusetts Colony was a hotbed of sedition in the spring of 1775. Preparations for conflict with the Royal authority had been underway throughout the winter with the production of arms and munitions, the training of militia (including the minutemen), and the organization of defenses. In April, General Thomas Gage, military governor of Massachusetts decided to counter these moves by sending a force out of Boston to confiscate weapons stored in the village of Concord and capture patriot leaders Samuel Adams and John Hancock reported to be staying in the village of Lexington.

    The atmosphere was tense, word of General Gage’s intentions spread through Boston prompting the patriots to set up a messaging system to alert the countryside of any advance of British troops. Paul Revere arranged for a signal to be sent by lantern from the steeple of North Church – one if by land, two if by sea. On the night of April 18, 1775 the lantern’s alarm sent Revere, William Dawes and other riders on the road to spread the news. The messengers cried out the alarm, awakening every house, warning of the British column making its way towards Lexington. In the rider’s wake there erupted the peeling of church bells, the beating of drums and the roar of gun shots – all announcing the danger and calling the local militias to action.

    In the predawn light of April 19, the beating drums and peeling bells summoned between 50 and 70 militiamen to the town green at Lexington. As they lined up in battle formation the distant sound of marching feet and shouted orders alerted them of the Redcoats’ approach. Soon the British column emerged through the morning fog and the confrontation that would launch a nation began.

    “Lay down your arms, you damned rebels.”

    ……the rest, as they say, is history.

  671. foundingfather1776 Says:

    FYI – Ursa,

    I would suggest you forget about the handgun (Since you are living in the People’s Republic of Canada) and focus instead on getting a 12 gauge pump shotgun. Tell your hubby and the authorities you want to shoot trap or skeet (which is where they throw little clay frisbees in the air and you blast them out of the sky…it is a lot of fun and will really improve your skills. My Mother used to score better than my Father when they would shoot trap together!).

    Shotguns are much more effective than handguns, and you can tailor the ammunition to the job i.e. birdshot, buckshot or slugs. Though more difficult to maneuver than a handgun in the confines of the home, the stopping power they impart is formidable.

    Don’t let the “authorities” leave you disarmed. Play their game and get yourself a legal shotgun for “hunting” and “sport.” It would be far better to have one and never need it, than to need one and never have it!


  672. ericswan Says:

    I don’t like the rules either but I hate guns more. We have to learn to live in peace and “love your neighbour” and that includes all of God’s creatures.
    “Thou shalt not kill” was God’s way of saying that all of his creation is precious to Him.

  673. ericswan Says:

    Hey Clark..thanx for the kind words. As far as “where” I find these links, this is my base. I’ve known about this stuff for some time. This link is the Adam Trombly cover for a ton of information that includes the pulses through our electrical system.

    Nightmareskies…please note the Yull Brown/Schauberger information on this page. I’m not sure why but for some reason, it’s an area I need to share with you.


  674. foundingfather1776 Says:

    Actually eric, the correct translation is “Thou Shall not MURDER” – big difference.

    Here are some details: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=31043

    Did not David slay Goliath?

    Your right to dislike firearms and to choose not to own one is fine with me. I respect that. I hope you also respect the rights of people that do choose to own firearms.

    I am very much a peace-loving “live-and-let-live” individual. Like millions of law-abiding gun owners, I wish no harm on anyone. I don’t even hunt. I enjoy target shooting and collecting.

    I believe that human beings have a god-given right to defend themselves. If, for example, someone attempted to forcibly inject me or my loved ones with a vaccination, I would view that as attempted murder. I would defend myself accordingly.

    If (God forbid) I ever crossed paths with a satanic killer like the fellow in this story:

    I can assure you most faithfully I would not hesitate to defend myself.

    To each his own yes?

    By the way, very interesting info you present on Dr. John Lilly. You know him personally? Where can I found out more about his work?



  675. ericswan Says:

    More to the point; “Why can’t we all just get along.”

    Adams: Can you tell us more about this alien agenda?

    Trombly: I know that there’s an alien agenda because my father wrote this in his journals. He said he had discovered that the U.S. government had become involved in its implementation. He went further to say that this alien agenda, in his opinion, was contrary to the good of the human species and the planet.

    He believed that a sector of the military/industrial complex was involved in a program, basically, to transform our atmosphere, which is benign to our species and other Earth species, into one that is greatly reduced in terms of its oxygen content.

    So this is a force which doesn’t have good intentions for us. It is a force that would gladly exterminate us. And yet human beings act as agents for this force. The “human” species is exterminating itself, by its own hands.

    My father spoke of alien agendas in his most secret thoughts. This was not something he spoke of in public. He would never have given this interview, I’ll tell you that much.


  676. ericswan Says:

    1776..The link at the bottom of the “John Lilly” material is the source for that comment. My bad. Didn’t mean to imply that I actually have a brain.

  677. ericswan Says:

    I looked at your link. I have broached this same subject on this blog a couple of times. I’m not talking about humans when I say “Thou shalt not Kill”.

  678. clark Says:

    Today was strange. At first the wind was very calm and the clouds lingered for a few hours. After they turned the blue sky into white, it cleared off quite quickly from the moderate winds that picked up. Normally after they make the sky all white, it stays that way all day. The granular like mist still clung like long strands of Spanish moss to a low lying cloud path stretching from horizon to horizon created by the final jet chaff spray off to the Northeast, it appeared to be much like the wake from a boat, but other than that the sky is blue again and the jets have all disappeared.

    I forget who, was it NMS that mentioned blister-like irritation above the ear lobe and Eric mentioned hardened cells, that is a way I would describe parts of my skin and my ears. The skin hardens over pores and traps the dang things creating almost unbearable irritation, never an itch though.

    I second what FF said above, I would never wish harm on anyone, but I’m very glad I can defend myself and those I care about. Peter had a sword the whole time he walked with Jesus, so it appears that being defenseless is not a requirement to walk in his ways.

    “Why can’t we all just get along.”
    Who knows, but the mere sight of a gun often times creates a non-violent peaceful resolution to conflict.
    We get along a whole lot better when those who are stronger and evil of intent among us don’t look at others as defenseless beings ripe for the pickings. Me, I always think about those poor souls who were hacked to death by machete wielding political tribal thugs over in Africa or those who perished violently in Cambodia at the hands of the Khmer Rouge for simply being part of those who could read, write and think independently, and again in China recently between two groups, one wielding machetes the other did not. Have you ever shot a gun? A .22 is a blast, if you’re afraid of fireworks or those paper snap-pops that make a bang when you throw them on the ground, you may just be gun-shy? I had a dog like that once, it loved to go hunting but ran for the hills at the sound of the first shot. Dogs may be incurable, I don’t think people are. Guns are just tools, that’s why I think tools could be outlawed after guns, and why not, how else do people make guns? All the better to make class distinctions and maintain oppression. Eric, read this link, it might sway you, it’s not a terrible story, it’s a farm-like one:
    Two Shots, Two Kills

    If you don’t, “kill” anything do you sit on a rock in the middle of the woods to keep off the grass to not, “kill” any grass or ants? How do you eat? Do you not drive? I too respect your right to choose though.

  679. clark Says:

    Pitchforks are supposed to be good things to have too, I’ve read. You could always trade it to a farmer for some apples if you really had to? Better than nothing I suppose.

  680. Ursa Major Says:

    Eric, if you are talking about killing animals, why did God demand animal sacrifices before Jesus came?

    That commandment NEVER applied to animals. And as Foundingfather says, it says “Do not murder”. Killing somebody in self defense is not murder.

    Guys, my husband would NEVER allow me to own a gun. If he would have to sign the damn paper to allow me to have a gun, he wouldn’t do it. You see, in his opinion I am mentally ill (he thinks Asperger Syndrome is a mental illness), and I am ‘mentally unstable’ because I believe in things like chemtrails and 911 being an inside job.

    Whenever I am really angry with him, and pick up a knife (for cooking), he’ll say things like, “Now make sure you don’t try to stab me” and similar idiotic sayings. I would NEVER try to hurt somebody with a weapon of any kind, unless it is in self defense, or defending somebody else.

    But he truly believes I am unstable and not to be trusted with weapons.

    Besides, as I said above, if I buy a gun legally, even for target practice, I will have to register it. And I KNOW that the registry is there so they can disarm everybody when they are ready. I don’t know when that will be, but I don’t want them to know I’ve got a gun, if I manage to get one.

    This morning started out with popcorn ‘clouds’, chemtrails and ‘sylphs’ (and pretty rainbows around the sun). Then the rippled, ‘velcro clouds’ came. Then complete milky white cover. Next time I looked outside, I was seeing those ‘cool asperatus’ clouds! Don’t you think I am privileged to have been able to photograph such ‘neat’ clouds? (sarcasm).

    Next we got rain, and it is still raining. According to the latest weather report, we are supposed to get thunderstorms tonight, as usual after heavy spraying.

    What a day.

  681. clark Says:

    @Eric, I would like to know why you hate guns. Just to know, not a put down slam or anything. I imagine it’s a brainwashing thing, but I could be wrong. Do you also hate knives, golf clubs, baseball bats, sharp sticks, pitchforks, hoes, rakes, bottles, and can openers? Remember, I am just asking.

    @Ursa, hopefully you’re allowed garden tools?

    We still have clear blue skies, it’s amazing it has lasted this long.

  682. Ursa Major Says:

    Of course, Clark. But they have an extremely limited range, obviously. I can imagine my spade would make a pretty good weapon, as would the hoe. Still, a gun would be a good thing to have.

    On the other hand, maybe I could manage to acquire archery supplies. But I just checked, and a bow (never mind arrows) on SALE is already $250.00. But how would I justify owning that to my family? Being in an archery club is expensive, and I have too many hobbies as it is (and very little energy).

    Oh well, maybe I’ll figure it out eventually. I just HATE the feeling of being defenseless!

  683. Nightmareskies Says:

    Uschi, get a paint gun ( like the teenagers use ) before they restrict these too. You can inflict serious damage with these ” toys “.The kids have to wear armor when they’re playing around with them. Get the clear ( non-paint ) pellets. Someone we know just bought one to keep the deer off his property.

  684. ericswan Says:

    ……………….By Lewis Page

    Posted in Science, 9th July 2009 12:06 GMT

    News has emerged of a milestone reached on the road towards a potentially world-changing piece of technology. We speak, of course, of US military plans to introduce roving steam-powered robots which would fuel themselves by harvesting everything alive and cramming it into their insatiable blazing furnaces.

    The scheme is officially referred to as Energetically Autonomous Tactical Robot (EATR™) by those behind it. It will come as no surprise to Reg readers that the funding is from DARPA, the famous Pentagon warboffinry bureau. If you’re a hammer, all the problems start to look like nails: if you’re DARPA, all the solutions start to look like robots.

    The idea of EATR is ostensibly that military reconnaissance droids far behind enemy lines would be able to forage for fuel. Robotic Technology Inc, lead contractor on the EATR, puts it thus:

    EATR is an autonomous robotic platform able to perform long-range, long-endurance military missions without the need for manual or conventional re-fueling. The patent pending robotic system can find, ingest and extract energy from biomass in the environment, as well as use conventional and alternative fuels (such as gasoline, diesel, propane and solar) when suitable.
    The machine runs on a “biomass furnace” which powers a steam generator driving a “waste heat engine” from Cyclone Power Technologies. These pieces of kit will now be mated together within 90 days, according to RTI.

    The robot steamers are envisaged as being equipped with powerful articulated arms in order to rip trees or bushes out of the earth and stuff them into their glowing maws. By way of a treat, it seems that the machines will also be able to loot or forage more conventional fuel supplies from the petrol tanks of cars, domestic gas cylinders and so on. Cyclone says that their engine can also run happily on old apple cores, banana peel and other kitchen garbage gleaned from bins.

    Hapless drivers or householders will be in no position to object to such robotic plundering: military reconnaissance vehicles are typically heavily armed, and doubtless the EATR will be no exception. It might also be fitted with DARPA’s SELF tech, enabling it to construct copies of itself and modify its own design.

    Even more disturbingly, it seems clear that the EATRs could run on various other kinds of organic matter, for instance bodies. No doubt things would start small, with roving EATRs scooping roadkill, stray cats and such into their fireboxes and reaping fresh energy from their rich, blazing dripping………………..

    Clark, I don’t want to sound too much like a hippocrit here, but I eat meat, wear leather shoes, had a few semi’s in my time and even a trap line in Northern Ontario. I’m also an organic gardener in need of more training and experience to be a vegan. At this point, I’m not there but my mind has “turned” in that direction and it’s waiting for the body to follow. I have to admit that I’m happily married to a great lady who prepares the meals and I tow the line. I tried a non-meat diet and lasted 65 days before I was encumbered with tumours from a protein deficiency. I know more now than I did then.

    Now, if you get my drift of the above which can be found on one of my blogs in full…http://eastsouthwestandnorth.blogspot.com/

    it is my supposition that guns are not the answer to anyone’s problems.

  685. Nightmareskies Says:

    Hey, I was just talking to my hubby and he was there when they tried out the paint gun. He said you don’t even have to have accurate aim because that gun
    shoots out a pressurized stream of pellets like a machine gun. I want one now too.

    My husband recently completed the onerous Canadian gun licencing process, but like you I don’t think I’d be comfortable with a gun anymore, although when I was younger I loved target shooting.

    So I think I’ll upgrade from the sledge hammer beside the bed to a paint gun. The real guns have to be kept in lock-down at all times and aren’t readily accessible. I guess we better get a gun safe with quick access.

  686. clark Says:

    Paintgun, hmm homemade paintballs, I never thought of that. That could work real well.

    Many people practice bow and arrow in their backyard here. And, a yard sale is sometimes a good way to get a good deal on outdoor stuff.

    @Eric, is the Closed Path Homopolar Generator the power source of HARRP?

  687. Nightmareskies Says:

    Oops, Uschi…I meant a paintball gun. Paintball, paintball…what’s the matter with me today ? I’m omitting entire syllables now. Heavy Cts here from early afternoon on. That explains it : – (

  688. ericswan Says:

    HAARP is powered by one of the largest gas fields on the planet. It’s placed where it is (Gakona, Alaska) because a pipeline would have been prohibitive.

  689. ericswan Says:

    Ursa..keep your cameral handy. You might get a shot like this one in the not too distant future.


  690. clark Says:

    I read on a link from Eric’s page, NY chemtrails webpage, that some people are seeing chemtrail jets do tree top level flights, that would explain the need for being cloaked as I’m sure people would pop a few rounds off at them. The page also had a video of a chemtrail jet and a regular jet in the same shot, that got me to thinking: There are those who say 911 was not caused by commercial airplanes, do you suppose some chemtrail planes (I’m wondering if all chemtrail jets are remotely auto piloted) were what hit the buildings? A person doing the controlling got a conscious and tried to draw attention, or as many say, it was planned by the NWO all along? The 100,000 gallon tanks explain the intense burring perhaps, as chemtrail chaff does seem to be flammable, explains the wildfires everywhere too.
    Sure, this is a bizarre thought, but not any more bizarre than most of the world being sprayed by jets daily.

  691. clark Says:

    x2 NMS, paintball gun, … and burining not burring.
    That page of the ring of fire invisible chemtrail jets, the author mentioned trying to get the public to be aware has proven to be very hard, I’m not helping making serious type-o’s. Fact is, I’m not sure it IS possible to wake the sheeple up, they are Stiff necked and stayin’ that way?

  692. clark Says:

    burning not burining or burring, – geez. Good nite.

  693. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ clerk – Wat’s the matter ? Is their somthing rong ? The chemtrials do’nt reaaly bother me to much. I think we can still rite and typpe just fine . Sleep tight and do’nt let the bed buggers bite .

  694. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan- And now they’re using the BigDog robots in Afghanistan. It sure didn’t take them long from the time they released the info about the BigDogs to actually using them in a military application. We’re in the quickening now.

  695. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ foundingfather – I’m glad you enjoyed the Chi vids, FF. My inner true loves, my life-long pursuits , have always been Chi /etheric energy , lucid/precognitive dreaming, and philosophy . Don’t take me wrong, the people and the animals in my life are far more important, but still , the esoteric pursuits added so much to the quality of my life. But I think of those pursuits as my ” old” life, now. For the most part they’re gone, stripped away, luxury items. Because, like many people , my life changed after 911.

    I was a Bushbot once too, foundingfather. And I have no excuses because , from a young age , I’ve been aware of the NWO. I’d read ” None Dare Call it Conspiracy ” which was written almost 40 yrs ago ( Bob Chapman , the financial commentator on AJ’s show was Allen’s partner back in the 60’s and 70’s). I was born in Germany, like Uschi, and my parents hated Hitler. My father drove an ambulance during the war but he spent a lot of time in the military clink because he refused to salute his superiors, and later he was a PWO in Norway where he was treated very well- great food ( mostly fish ) and fresh POW attire, and I do mean fresh. The Norwegians didn’t bother washing the prison garb when it got dirty, they simply issued brand new clothing . My mother was a teenager in East Germany during those days. She spent entire summers in the hay loft ( her family lived in a small rural location ) hiding from the Russians- the Russians who were going to cut off everyone’s fingers and hands to steal the German’s jewelry once they invaded. That was the propaganda in those days and many people in her village committed suicide by walking into the lake or visiting their helpful pharmacist ahead of the invasion. Hitler’s speeches were a trial unto themselves. The school kids were often forced to attend, and one time, standing for hours under a hot sun, listening to Hitler’s long-winded screeching rant , my poor mother fainted dead away. Then the Nazis burned her favorite book , ” Heidi “, because the author was Jewish. Mother’s village was only a few kilometers from a concentration camp -Ravensbruck- but it was deep inside a forest, surrounded by guard towers and barbed wire. The people couldn’t get anywhere near it. Oh, there were rumors of what was happening to the Jews, but most of the regular German people had no clue as to what was REALLY happening to them .There was a virtual information black-out ( no TVs, no internet, limited mobility, and newspapers full of nothing but propaganda).And , your world does become very small when your entire focus is on trying to survive and praying that your loved ones don’t get killed.

    Armistice finally came for my mother and father in very late spring/beginning of summer. By then it was too late in the season to put in most crops and the people didn’t have many seeds anyway. My mother’s family survived because she was a nurse and the hospital had food which she smuggled out. Here’s how she did it -This was East Germany, so they were under Russian occupation, and that included the hospital she worked in. Inside her coat sleeves mother had sewn and attached small bags that she filled with the flour she stole from the hospital. Then she went outside to a tall fence , on the other side of which my grandmother was waiting. She flung the small bags of flour over the fence and into my grandmother’s arms, and then mother went back inside to resume her nursing duties.She did this during her break time, because at the end of all shifts and before they could leave the hospital ,the staff were searched by the Russian soldiers. She’s pretty sure the Russians knew what was going on anyway, but they turned a blind eye – thank God !

    Later, before the Berlin Wall went up, my mother moved to West Germany where she married my father. But she couldn’t take the big city Germans. Pregnant, and with 3 little children in tow, as my mother walked down the streets of West Berlin complete strangers would scorn and mock her ” Look at her !. She ALREADY has three children and there’s another one in her belly .” So, the idea of small or NO families had already been hammered into the brains of these Berliners back in the 1950s. Demographic death anyone ?

    My mother is the most pro-life person I know. She doesn’t just talk the talk, she walks the walk, so it was off to FREEDOM, off to Canada where she happily raised her 9 children , and about a million unleashed cats and dogs, without the condemnation of society.

    But, that was then, and this is now. Real freedom’s just a memory nowadays, and the odious eugenics agenda has taken root in the USA and Canada as well. For a time things were good here, but ONLY for a time . And there’s nowhere left to run.

    After fleeing to Canada, my mother’s entire family ( with the exception of her husband and children ) was trapped in East Germany. So, I grew up familiar with totalitarian conditions. Her brother was a policeman ( not Stasi, just a regular policeman) in East Germany . He wasn’t allowed any contact with his own mother ( my flour catching grandmother ) who lived only 30 kilometers away. The reason ? Because my grandmother had ” contacts ” in West Germany. The ” contacts” were packages of medicine mailed by relatives in W. Germany which my grandmother needed in order to stay alive. She couldn’t get this medicine any other way. There wasn’t any in East Germany at the time.

    And this brings me back to being a Bushbot. I knew what totalitarianism was all about, I was a voracious reader of quality material, I hated most govts , and yet I still got sucked in. Why ? Because I couldn’t disavow myself from the deeply held belief that the Americans were the GOOD GUYS ! The world’s freedom force.

    Oh, sure, my head told me that no matter which party was in power the policies-a few minor tweaks notwithstanding-the policies would remain the same. And these policies led in one direction only : an economic race to the bottom – more govt. debt, more red tape, bigger bureaucracies, better spy cams ,etc . But my heart told me something else. My heart told me America was a lion, a great champion for freedom, and someday a great politician would arise and fix up the economic mess and REAL freedom would be restored to the people and everything would be on the right track again and America would lead by example and slowly but surely the rest of suffering humanity would follow suit and there would be FREEDOM everywhere. And I had a personal stake in this scenario. As our own freedoms were rapidly being extinquished here in the north, I would gaze longingly southward to the country that was going to SAVE us. That was America’s JOB, dammit . Our own Canadian govts had caved in to socialism decades ago and were turning this country into a banana republic that was rapidly crumbling into a USSR heap of rubbish. But no worries. America would be there to pick up the pieces, Canada would learn the lesson of the evils of socialism , and following the American free market principles, real freedom and prosperity would follow.

    Well, It’s obvious that I was heavily emotionally invested in America-as-savior-of-the-world. But who else was there to set the necessary shining example of freedom for the people which would eventually free the rest of us too . Russia ? China ? The demographically decrepid Europeans ? Some two bit dictatorship in S. America ? No, this alone was America’s baby. But just where was the great American political savior I was waiting for ? I was getting tired of waiting. And so were a lot of other people from around the world. But there was time. Although each successive administration crippled her a little more, America was still walking. And there was time. Always time.

    I knew Bush wasn’t the savior. He wasn’t anything, really. I was pretty much indifferent toward him, the best light I could paint Bush in was being the unClinton . There would once again be some policy tweaking, some cosmetic adjustments , more dreary, hollow, political rhetoric ; once again things would tick tock along the same downward spiral . But s-l-o-w-l-y, the same way they had for decades. Damage would be done during his administration, but the damage would never be terminal, it would never be severe enough to impede the political savior when he came.

    But then came 911. And everything shifted. America was under ATTACK, for God’s sake. America was no longer just slowly being eaten alive by her own bureaucracies and her debts . She was under ATTACK . Suddenly there was NO time anymore. No time to wait for the great American savior to restore her freedoms because there might not even BE an America tomorrow. The nukes could start flying at any moment. So, Bush became IT . Bush became the savior . But he didn’t become the savior because he was intelligent, or principled, or capable. Bush became the savior simply through DEFAULT – there was nobody else to do the job. And the savior role that Bush was cast into was an entirely different type of savior than the savior I was looking for . My savior was meant to rescue America from her foolish flirtation with liberalism. The Bush Savior had to rescue the COUNTRY HERSELF.

    That was almost 8 sad years ago. But in many ways 911 stills feels like yesterday.

  696. Nightmareskies Says:

    My fatal mistake in assigning Bush his savior role was in thinking that America somehow stood OUTSIDE the parameters of the NWO to a certain extent. To have learned that they ARE the NWO is crushing.

    At most, I thought the USA political system was under heavy influence from the CFR, Tri-Lateral Commission, UN, and all the other quasi-Marxist international organizations. And I always held out hope that this situation would sooner or later change in favor of freedom and real economic reform. But since 911, as the truth and the lies slowly emerged, I’ve slowly lost hope too.

    The kiss of death for me was the chemtrails. To find out that the country which I have held in the highest possible regard for my whole pre -911 life , who I’d hoped would save us all, to find out this is the SAME country whose military is spraying us like roaches…well, that’s devastating.

    It is emotionally difficult for me to realize that America the Beautiful has been replaced by America-the Whore of Babylon . AGAINST the wishes of the American people . But I separate the political agenda of America’s New World Order’s bed partners from the American people themselves . The people are the victims. The NWO used the courage and the energy of the people to implement their agenda. They couldn’t have done it without them. Such is the evil power of deception.

    I still love the American people. I always will. Their spirit , generosity and faith are unrivaled in this world of ours. And If humanity, as a whole, has a glimmer of hope left , it lies with the American people themselves . Inshallah ( God willing ) they will lead us out of the darkness.

    May the Chi be with you, my American friends – and my fellow Canucks too : – )

    P. S. – From a Chi perspective , I have to tell you that my friend who’s extremely energy sensitive was never fooled by Bush for a moment. He hated him from day one. And this friend of mine does NOT follow politics. He simply read Bush’s energy and pronounced him evil.

    From my own Chi perspective, I can’t sense this evil. To this day, I am still having trouble in pronouncing Bush as evil . What I sense instead is an overwhelming feeling of emptiness – like Bush is completely, utterly hollow. There’s NOTHING inside him at all- the quintessential marionette, if you will.( But MAMA and PAPA Bush …THAT evil is palpable for me )

    My friend is male, I’m female. He is yang energy
    while I am yin energy.

    He’s the lucid dreamer, I’m the precognitive dreamer.

    Who’s right ? Either of us ? Both of us? You decide .

  697. ericswan Says:

    I guess it was out of body or astral projection but I ended up at a party with George and he turns out to be quiet and introspective. He actually seems to care what people think about him. I ended up liking him. He wouldn’t be alive today if he did things any different.

  698. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan – I’ve never had any dreams about Bush, BUT Clinton that’s a different story. Before he was elected, at a time in our lives when both my husband and I were tuned out to the political scene , we both had basically the same dream about Bill . Bear in mind that I rarely dream about ANYONE that I know and love , never mind a celeb or a political figure. Those dreams are even more rare.

    I vividly remember Clinton’s face coming in and overwhelming my entire dream screen. Accompanying Clinton’s image was a blissful feeling of peace and good fellowship.

    My husband and I usually share our dreams, but for some reason I failed to mention my Clinton dream to him. And he in turn failed to mention his own Clinton dream to me until many months later . In his dream, they were at a party and Clinton was the nicest person you could wish for. In my husband’s dream they were buddy, buddy.

    I was always suspect of my own Clinton dream. I smelled a satanic rat. Once hubby told me about his own dream, my suspicions were confirmed. Something weird was going on. Was the NWO manipulating the energy to project this feeling of Clinton as good guy while we were sleeping ? It appears to be the case.

    I agree that Bush wouldn’t be alive today without following the NWO agenda. But, just maybe, 3000 other innocent Americans and millions of Iraqis would have their lives back if Bush had the guts and moral principles to have stood up to this evil. The man is corrupt. Call it evil, or empty. The results are same.

  699. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan – and I forgot to add that Bush was quiet and introspective in your energy experience, because Bush knows that he’s GUILTY. So don’t be fooled.

  700. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan…again : – )

    Now that you’ve come out of the energy closet somewhat , before I have to run, answer something for me would you please. What was that cryptic remark of yours awhile back where you said you deny yourself lucid dreams by leaving the TV on all night ? Were you just being sarcastic ?

  701. ericswan Says:

    I think you were right when you said that the Bush meme was “pushed” into my mind. When I was at university, I studied Journalism and worked as a stringer for a couple of years. The system was not easy for me and since I refused to roll over and sit, I was failed 5 times. After 20 years in the education system, I was trained not “entrained”. I leave the TV on and loud every night. I avoid the dream state. Too much happening and too many off planet influences for my tastes.

  702. clark Says:

    @NMS, wow, great writing, there is so much unspoken that is loaded into your thoughts. That bit about how you felt about America being the, “good guys” is exactly I how I thought too, only more so, because I am one. And, so few listen or think.
    The, “good guys” are supposed to prevent the myths from becoming real and real bad acts from occurring, like the Russian finger chop and mass spying on civilians, roadblock checkpoints, or chemtrails, yet it seems we are becoming the Russians and the Germans now, mass forced vaccinations being the beginning, as many wonder, will those who resist be shot? Black is white, right is wrong, up is down, etc… But I suppose America was never all that much different than any other country, look at the firebombing in WWII of cities like Dresden for example or the Atomic bombs over Japan that were not even needed.

    The only unusual thing that happened to me was, my wife and I had the exact same dream at the same time once. Who knows why we discussed it first thing in the morning, but we did, it was kind of unsettling. I forget what the dream was about.

    Eric says, …The system was not easy for me and since I refused to roll over and sit,

    Now That is what we have in common. That is also why I am surprised you hate guns.

    I kind of wish I didn’t watch that dog-robot video, it kind of creept me out. It also made me think of those snow robots in the movie The Empire Strikes Back.

  703. Ursa Major Says:

    Reading about that EATR I find very scary. I think in pictures, and the picture that comes to me is it scooping up screaming children and devouring them to fuel itself. It freaks me out the think that.

    That dog robot is very freaky, too. I wonder if they’ll develop ‘robocops’ soon, to keep people in line. Robots don’t have feelings, and won’t have any mercy. They’ll do what they are programmed to do.

    Eric, you never know, I may capture those things on camera one of these days. I just wished I’d have a telephoto lens. I am not sure my zoom is powerful enough to take pictures of small things too far away.

    NMS, your parents have come through a lot, as have mine, in a different way. My mother had plenty to eat as a child and teenager, because she had a corrupt father. They had meat and vegetables, when others in their village were starving, and he wouldn’t share with anybody. It really upset her.

    At the same time, she was in the BDM (the equivalent of Hitler Youth, but for girls), and remembers walking through the streets with her troop, singing loudly a song, with the words roughly being, “When the Jew’s blood splashes from our knives, life will be twice as good”. And she claimed she didn’t understand what she was singing (she was a teenager). Was she really that brainwashed? Or did she tune out what it meant? Or was she lying to us and herself? I could never understand that.

    But I know it is possible to get children to do absolutely terrible things, to brainwash them so completely that they’ll murder and pillage without a second thought. The child soldiers in Africa and Asia are perfect examples. Using children like that must be one of the worst crimes you can inflict on humanity.

    And even though I believe that Hitler, too, was only a puppet, he apparently had the ability to hypnotize the masses. It is easy to condemn the people who fell for it, but we don’t know what we would have done. I’d like to believe that I wouldn’t have been one of those people indifferent to the Jew’s suffering, and that I would have stood up for what is right, but that is just theory.

    Today we have some very real, normal looking clouds, with clear, blue sky showing through the breaks, rather than chems or haze. But I am not feeling good, sort of sick to my stomach, almost like having to throw up, but not quite. And very tired.

    Of course, we had relentless spraying for days, and those feelings started two days ago. I guess I am still suffering the aftereffects of all that spraying.

    My son (he is the only son, with two older and two younger sisters) has lucid dreams. He has learned to control them to a great extent. I haven’t talked with him about those in several years (he is 26, but got married when only 21).

    One of my recurring dreams is one airplane with one devastating bomb coming from far away, and coming nearer and nearer to our airspace, and when it drops that bomb, life will be over for everybody. It is very ominous, and very disturbing.

    But then I used to have many nightmares before I discovered I am gluten intolerant. Now that I am gluten free, I rarely have nightmares any more, and haven’t had that particular dream, either. Gluten can really mess with your brain.

    Now ‘just’ the chems are messing with my brain.

  704. Ursa Major Says:

    Guess what was just sent to me (I subscribe to Brasscheck tv). I haven’t watched those yet (other than the first one the other day elsewhere), but this is great!


  705. clark Says:



    These two pages from the same website discuss Morgellons. This guy is different from many who study the subject, but even he doesn’t quite get it, I think. He says the problem is in the terrain of people’s bodies, and this is mostly true. However; he doesn’t accept chemtrails as of yet, I don’t think (mostly because he has a disclaimer at the top saying you won’t find discussions of chemtrails or other conspiracies here) nor does he make the connections between the symptoms of Morgallons and HARRP/ELF/chemtrails.
    It’s strange how so very similar the attacks and attitudes are of those who do not accept that there is something going on with Morgellons sufferers (that it’s all in their heads) and those who do not accept that governments are spraying weaponzied chaff worldwide.

    Is it possible that an off PH balance and too much or too little of certain minerals is what makes a person more susceptible to the effects from HARRP and chemtrails? If barium reacts strongly to, say for example calcium, without certain levels of magnesium being present to offset the barium attraction to calcium, a magnesium deficient person might think they are, “cured” once they take magnesium and restore their bodies chemical balance and are no longer affected by HARRP and the contents of chemtrails? The same is true of their ANU water they claim helps sufferers, the ANU water may … hmm maybe the ANU water channels the HARRP in a sort of grounding effect as with electrical components and those who suffer are simply not good conductors?

    Same with this chi-energy stuff, those who are sensitive to the energy fields and such may simply have a mineral deficiency or some such? Not to put it down or anything, just wondering, as most everyone is deficient in something, usually selenium.

    Above a few rain filled clouds the sky has turned solid white again , the strange part is the clouds are fairly stationary while the wind is more than moderate.

  706. clark Says:

    Other than a bad PH and bad diet, are there other stimulus such as chemtrails and HARRP that make these things grow and multiply?

  707. Ursa Major Says:

    Well, I said above that we had normal clouds with blue sky above today. That has changed drastically. When the clouds cleared up, the chemtrail spraying jets moved in. Everywhere I look tonight, there they are. The sky is fast filling with them. I am SOOOOOOOO sick of seeing them! Can’t they allow just some days that look normal all day?

    I have to go more and more into stealth mode with taking pictures. It is ridiculous. My youngest daughter (17 1/2, the only one left at home) said the other day, maybe they should take the camera away from me, because it wasn’t normal or healthy for me to take all those pictures of chemtrails. Of course, guess who she hears things like that from. I have started taking the camera everywhere I go, and hide it when I can’t take it with me, so they can’t hide it from me. I should NOT have to do that!

    And my husband has said many times that he wants to limit my computer time. Who do they think they are? I don’t say to my daughter either, that it isn’t normal or healthy to spend so much time on facebook. Or my husband, that spending so much time on the phone isn’t normal (he is a personnel recruiter, and makes his living being on the phone).

    Well, I do research, and keep track of chemtrails. Why isn’t that normal? Just because they say so, that’s why. Because they refuse to care about chemtrails. It isn’t normal, because ‘normal’ means to be like everybody else, like the rest of the herd of sheeple.

    Obviously, none of us here are what is considered normal by the majority of people. If you look at it that way, I haven’t been normal my whole life. I have never fit in with the big crowd, and I have no intentions of even trying.

    A few neighbours have started looking at me strangely. My husband tries to stop me taking pictures of the sky when neighbours can see me. I embarrass him. I just wished I could put a big sign on our lawn, telling people to look up and notice the strange, persistent contrails.

    If I was living by myself, I would probably do that. I don’t care what anybody thinks of me. It is their problem if they don’t like me, or think I am crazy. They are the ones with the problem.

  708. Celline Says:

    @Uschi, yes, for a time, I was on the “wrong” blog, thanx for calling my attention to it. My Pastor-friend responded.. and asked me, to send him all the info I have, about the chems. He knows very little about it, and is asking for info. I am so happy about this. He has a huge congregation.
    I will forward everything to him.. that I find. He already has most of what is on this blog.
    @Nightmarish, please spare me the Ying and Yang stuff,. It’s as NewAge the ” Peace Symbol ” people are walking into those traps, because they don’t know what it all means.
    Thick fat chems here daily..

  709. Celline Says:

    @Uschi, please don’t allow your family to treat u like that, is makes me angy.. how dare they ? Pack your stuff and leave them.
    If my husband would DARE to control me, or limit my computer time.. well.. remember the story years ago, where a woman umm.. while he was a sleep, cut.. well hm…That’s what I would do. And I mean it.
    Sorry to be a bit graphic.. but I am sick and tired of macho men, who treat their wives and 2. class citizens. May their macho wither.. and wither…

  710. Celline Says:


  711. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ Uschi – The brainwashing of the children of this planet has indeed been terrible.And I’m afraid it’s only going to get worse. Did you know that the largest growing group of users of psychotropic drugs ( mind altering drugs ) is children under the age of 4 ? These children are not the the largest group by number, but they are the largest GROWING group. So it’s obvious the children are being targeted.

    The atrocities committed against the children, all for the ” good ” of the state or society , is simply not measurable in the ordinary sense. Do you know about the Basiji ? During the Iran/Iraq war in the 1980’s the Iranians sent mules, horses and dogs across the mine fields ahead of their own army. But this wasn’t successful because the animals ran away in fear . So they used children instead, young teenagers. They gave them plastic ” keys to heaven ” to hang around their necks and then sent them to their deaths.

    Lately I’ve been wondering if this was really true or just another western govt piece of propaganda aimed at discrediting the Iranians. I got an answer to my question. When I leave my house, whoever I encounter in my day, I immediately turn the conversation over to chemtrails. Doesn’t matter who it is, and they’re usually perfect strangers, but I don’t care ,time is short so I cast aside the social niceties and dive right in. Well this Middle Eastern gentleman and I hit it off, and we got into some further conversation. It turns out he’s from Iran ( his whole family is still there, except for his own wife and daughter ). He was a lonely, haunted spirit , and as much as he appreciated his life in the west , he was homesick and sick at heart at what was happening to his beloved Iranian people – although he still referred to himself as Persian. Anyway, he fought in the Iran/Iraq war and he confirmed to me that the Basiji , with their keys to heaven, were very real.

    About Hitler – It’s important to remember that Hitler NEVER had the support of the majority of the German people ( his popularity hovered in the 30 % range). And what he did to the Jews was largely done in secret. He used deception and incrementalism to implement the Holocaust.

    For years prior to the Holocaust, Jews s-l-o-w-l-y started losing their civil liberties ( much like we in the west are slowly losing our own civil liberties, the difference being that Hitler targeted a particular group of people, while our own losses are much broader based ). Gold stars, one insane bureaucratic requirement after another,standing in endless govt lines to fill out the latest required piece of official documentation, Christallnacht, the loss of their homes and businesses, and at one point Jews were no longer allowed to even own pets so the Nazis came and collected all their cats and dogs. This was the incrementalism that preceded the Holocaust by many years.

    And the Jews accepted this incrementalism from the Nazi govt. because they were so familiar with it. In country after country, wherever the Jews lived , they knew that sooner or later the satanic current of antisemitism would again rise to the surface . And again the various govts would adopt a set of restrictions against them. Because of their own long history of persecution, the Jews came to EXPECT to be treated in this fashion.Very few had any idea this would lead to the Holocaust. Of course, the Holocaust was the ultimate goal , but this goal was a secret known only to Hitler and the very highest levels of his echelon ( I presume this includes various members of the NWO ).

    So next time someone calls you a conspiracy theorist and acts like conspiracies don’t exist…point out that the Holocaust was in fact a conspiracy. The NWO, Hitler and his henchmen kept their plans to exterminate the Jews a complete SECRET from the ordinary people . They deceived everyone into thinking that their Nazi anti _ Jewish restrictions were nothing more than run of the mill antisemitism- the same antisemitism that was and still is rampant throughout the world. So the Germans turned a blind eye , as did the rest of the world – none of them ever dreaming where this would lead. But Hitler knew where it would lead, he knew all along. And so did his cohorts. They just didn’t tell the German people and they didn’t broadcast it to the world. Conspiracy !

  712. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ Celline -Welcome back to the forum ,Celline, I’ve missed your California chemtrail reports. And good job ! I hope you’re successful in awakening your pastor to the chemtrails because the church is KEY to spreading this info. And it has to start somewhere, with ONE pastor. One awakened and dedicated pastor can then network with the other churches. Keep us updated please.

    Now, about Chi/etheric energy. In a prior post , I ‘ve already addressed the issue about Chi NOT being New Age. You can choose to re-read that post or not. That’s entirely up to you. But what you CAN’T choose is to shut down my thoughts or my posts regarding Chi energy. Chi is integrally linked with the HAARP programs . So, my posts here are directed to those people on this forum who are interested in learning more about Chi/etheric energy so that they will better understand the Chi/etheric energy portion of the HAARP program.

    Celline, you can choose to be one of those people – or not. Again, that’s up to you. And if you choose to close your mind to this information, then simply skip over my posts.

    Feedback, input, and constructive criticism – all these further the cause of knowledge. But closed minds and slander never serve this purpose . And people have an almost automatic tendency to slander THAT WHICH THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

    Here’s Ouspensky on the matter of slander :

    ” Usually in life people take slander too lightly, excuse it too easily in themselves and in others. Slander constitutes half their lives, fills half their interests. People slander without noticing themselves what they are doing and automatically they expect nothing but slander from others…….Men do not understand that even the usual every-day slander is the beginning of the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. It is not for nothing that the *Devil * means *slanderer * . The passage in the Gospel , that they shall give account even of every idle word in the day of judgement , sounds so strange and incomprehensible to men because they do not understand that even a SMALL slander is the beginning of the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost . ”

    And from the Bible : Luke 12 :10

    And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

    And again, here in Matthew 12 :32

    And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    I am well aware of the Christain church’ stance regarding Chi/etheric energy. But the Church is just following its own vested interests and its own political agenda when they slander this energy. So consider the source, Celline. This is the same church that remains silent while the NWO poisons the entire ecosphere.

    And how do you KNOW that Jesus didn’t use this energy when he performed his miracles ? : – )


  713. Ursa Major Says:

    Thanks, NMS, you are so right, this is exactly how you get people to accept their liberties being taken away. If it is slowly enough, few will protest. If they target the right things/people, most will go along with it.

    Few people realize that the campaign to eliminate smoking is really one of the government taking away people’s liberties. Oh, but it is for the good of everybody! Sure, if nobody would smoke, it would be a good thing. But should the government make a rule that nobody is allowed to smoke in bars anymore? Don’t people who frequent bars want to drink and smoke?

    Oh well, so what bar owners lose their business, because people will stay home and have parties in their backyard, where they can drink and smoke at the same time.

    But now they claim that the air in PARKS gets contaminated if people smoke there. In fact, they want to ban outside smoking. Are they nuts?

    Don’t get me wrong. I have never smoked, and I think it is an awful habit. What I am talking about is the government deciding things for us that we should decide for ourselves.

    The law says we are supposed to all buckle up in cars. If a policeman catches us without a seatbelt on, we pay a fine. Why should they have the right to force us to buckle up? I can see why it should be a law to have children in child seats. But force adults to use their seatbelts? Two of my brothers would be dead now if they would have worn their seatbelts when they were in an accident together about 35 years ago.

    People who own their own business aren’t able to hire and fire who they choose any more, either. They aren’t allowed to discriminate against people who apply for a job on the grounds of almost anything. If the business owner won’t hire a black guy, because he isn’t qualified, he might sue him for discrimination.

    Mind you, if that business owner doesn’t like black people (or purple or whatever colour), he should NOT have to hire them, because it should be his choice. If he doesn’t want to hire homosexuals, he shouldn’t have to, either.

    I heard of a woman in Toronto, who advertised for a roommate for her apartment (she was a student, and couldn’t handle the rent on her own). It was a big mistake to advertise in a newspaper. Because a lesbian woman answered the advertisement and wanted to live there.

    Well, the girl who wanted a roommate did NOT want to live with a lesbian, so she told her she couldn’t live with her. This lesbian sued her and won a large settlement, and the first girl was forced to attend several months of ‘sensitivity training’ (brainwashing). Should she not have the right to choose whoever she wanted to live with? Should our government have the right to force people to live with somebody they don’t like, no matter what the reason?

    Our freedoms are being taken away, piece by piece, slowly but surely. And most people go along with it, they don’t want any trouble. They don’t understand that their passivity is going to cause a LOT of trouble in the long run.

    Most people also believe that the government has our best interests at heart, that all policemen/women are good and can be trusted, that voters in the USA have a real choice come election time (we still have some choice, but it isn’t much better), and because they can’t imagine our government is spraying us with chemicals (or allowing the US to do it), they refuse to look up and believe their own eyes.

    By the way, I sent the link to the news videos on chemtrails to my husband today. And it sounded like he actually believes it to a degree now! Just because the media says it is true, of course. My pictures mean nothing. But hey, small victories are still a blessing.

    NMS, where in the Okanagan Valley are you? Do you have pictures, proof that what you say is happening is really true? My husband says that he wants me to contact a cousin, whose parents live in the Okanagan Valley, to verify what you say.

    But I told him that despite the drought and changed weather conditions, most people would still be in denial. So, even if they don’t believe it, it is still happening.

    If I would have proof before contacting the cousin, that would be helpful in convincing her, before she talks to her parents.

  714. Ursa Major Says:

    So, I googled ‘Okanagan Valley chemtrails’. I found some good sites. But then I found a forum, where somebody asks why the sky was clear and blue in the morning, and grey by noon, and it didn’t look like real clouds. And when somebody said ‘chemtrails’, he was bashed, and made fun of.

    People are SO blind, it is unbelievable.

    Here is the link, so you can see for yourselves.

  715. Ursa Major Says:

    Here they are claiming that more air travel is causing the ‘pollution’ in the Okanagan. Sure!

  716. clark Says:

    @Ursa Major, take a couple of days off, make a point to show them your leaving your camera behind, maybe they will lay off then. [Or they will hide your camera.] If you can cook I’m sure there are plenty of guys willing to house you. You seem like you would fit in well on a collage campus, you have a great outlook on things. I’m glad 1/2 my family at least said, “well, it could be an Agent Orange type of thing.” The other half is a sports/shopping/spending close-minded bunch who haven’t listened to me about anything relating to finance, the economy or the war so I didn’t even bother to tell them about this. Dunderheads. I’d rather tell a complete stranger first, and I do, sometimes.

    @Celline, I was wondering. That other post needed a few chemtrail comments anyway.
    I’ll bet you felt good changing that guys mind about chemtrails/weaponized chaff. I haven’t convinced anyone lately, lots of silent friends now though.

    @NMS, everyone who is not NWO is a WWII Jew now? The march of incrementalism eh? As long as its done in the name of saftey. I am almost as sick of the word saftey and those who utter the phrase, “Be safe” as I am of chemtrails.

    I was surfing and came across this and thought of Eric and his hatred of guns and how no one should be. They are not the answer, but they are a last resort:
    Why I Own Guns?
    The last lines read:
    “I consider those in power as I do any other criminal. I would never turn over my weapon to the bank robber, murderer or rapist, therefore, I will never relinquish my right to keep and bear arms, nor my wonderful memories and experiences involving firearms to a bunch of bottom feeders in three-piece-suits or uniforms and badges.
    I would not want to explain that failure in judgment to my grandfather.
    He would never understand if I voluntarily sold myself into slavery.”

    I found this in an article and thought of NMS:
    “A conspiracy is rarely, if ever, proved by positive testimony. When a crime of high magnitude is about to be perpetrated by a combination of individuals, they do not act openly, but covertly and secretly. The purpose formed is known only to those who enter into it. Unless one of the original conspirators betray his companions and give evidence against them, their guilt can be proved only by circumstantial evidence…”

    And this:
    “Far from being a paranoid or a determinist, the conspiracy analyst is a praxeologist; that is, he believes that people act purposively, that they make conscious choices to employ means in order to arrive at goals.”

    And finally this:
    “But there is another factor – what I call “existential courage” – that must remain at the forefront of our efforts to live as human beings, rather than as servo-mechanisms to the institutional order. What kind of people are we that we should lay our liberties, property, and lives – including the lives of our children – at the feet of rulers, to be disposed of in any manner that suits their momentary temperaments? What have we become that we regard any questioning of this arrangement as the products of “irresponsible” or “paranoid” minds? Why should free and energized minds be fearful of asking any questions, particularly those we have been told it is improper to ask?”

  717. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ clark…Loved those quotes of yours. Thanks for sharing them honey .

    @ Uschi – I’m in Kelowna but nope , I don’t have any pictures of my own ( I’m a true computer/digital camera illiterate with absolutely zero motivation to learn either ).Here’s a couple links for you though :

    And here’s the website that a friend of mine in Westbank ( 5 miles outside the city limits ) runs . This is a very comprehensive site , he’s up to date with the latest chem/ NWO news , and has all the best CT documentaries. You just have to find them ( his site is quite deep ). His photobucket has a moving slideshow showing some of the Kelowna CTs, but I don’t really like it. I liked the way he displayed his pics before, and he left a lot of his BEST photos out of his slideshow – Don’t ask me why.


    By the way those were some great examples of chemtrail disinfo cointelpro you came up with, and right here in one of our own local rags. Thanks Uschi.I’m going to link my Westbank friend up with them in case he hasn’t seen them.

  718. Nightmareskies Says:

    And now ladies and gentleman put on your thinking caps because I’d like to draw your attention to a conundrum.

    Earlier, I mentioned Luke 12 :10 and Matthew 12 :32

    Now lets add Mark 3 : 29

    but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

    Let’s examine what we have here. First off it’s important to understand the meaning of blasphemy . Blasphemy is the ” sin of the tongue ” . In other words , it is slander or calumny.

    Now in these scriptures, Jesus tells us that slander ( blasphemy ) DIRECTED AT HIM PERSONALLY can be forgiven.

    But at the same time, Christ warns us that blasphemy againt the Holy Spirit will NOT be forgiven.

    Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the ONLY unpardonable sin, ALL others sins being forgiven if one sincerely repents and accepts Jesus as their personal savior.

    How can this be ? The Christian church teachs us that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are all CO – EQUAL. None is more powerful than the other- they are equally powerful, equally loving, equally all-knowing and omnicient. And yet…and yet…. In Jesus’ OWN words he places somebody/something ABOVE himself in importance, in respect to blasphemy and eternal damnation.That somebody or something is called the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost. After all, if you slander Jesus, you can still attain salvation because this is a pardonable sin. However, if you slander the Holy Spirit it’s off to the lake of fire for you ( no exceptions, no forgiveness ).

    Here’s the conundrum. Who’s correct ? Jesus or the Christian Church ?

    Note : I refer to the Holy Spirit/Ghost as “somebody” or “something ” because the various church branches within Christianity cannot agree as to exactly how to define this divine entity. Is the Holy Spirit a force ? Is it an invisible person ? Maybe it’s both, or some combination of the two or maybe it’s an attribute of God that moves through you ? You decide. The churches can’t. But you better reach SOME conclusion as to who the Holy Spirit is… because … well you know the answer to that one ! Christ himself told us so.

    Note # 2 : I’m not trying to turn anyone away from their faith . I’m merely attempting to bring you a little closer to the teachings of Jesus when they conflict with the teachings of the church.

  719. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan – Surely you realize that TV is one of the most powerful weapons in the NWO arsenal ? And it’s another fine example ( along with those Uschi gave us) of incrementalism.TV started out with programs that reflected family values and love, like ” The Waltons” , ” Little House on the Prairie “, ” The Andy Griffith Show “, “Beverly Hillbillies ” etc. But this was pure deception designed to hook us into WATCHING. And, then, s-l-o-w-l-y and surely Tel- LIE-vision evolved into the sewer it is today.This was no accident. The filthy language,extreme violence , shoddy family values, and moral corruption that makes up the majority of what people tune into these days serves the purposes of the NWO. It further tears apart the fabric of society by destroying people’s moral values.

    Equally bad is the subliminal messaging that TV is infamous for. Even if you can find a ” nice ” channel to watch, these subliminals are hitting you beneathe the level of your conscious awareness.

    And you leave this NWO death machine turned on while you’re asleep, while you’re in one of your most vulnerable states for receiving subliminal messages ? Bad idea, ericswan. Your higher levels of consciousness are being impacted without you even knowing it.

    My suggestion – turn the damn thing OFF, and if you’re a light sleeper and can’t sleep without some kind of background noise ( like my husband ), then get a noisy air purifier and keep it on, or a white noise machine, use anything that doesn’t program you while you’re asleep.

  720. ericswan Says:

    Celline: God loves you. Jesus loves you. The Holy Spirit…not so much. Put your ears on. The Old Testament was fulfilled. It’s done. The New Testament is your guide but only with discernment from the Holy Spirit.

    Nightmare..give us another handle. You need to step up to the plate..

    Clark; we have alot in common. Most of your comments would come out of my mouth if you didn’t think and say them already. I particularily like your grasp of “chaff” but there is one part missing in that cariacature. HAARP, the wiring in your house, chemtrails, flouride, GMO’s, drugs of any description and meat are all weapons against your mind or Chi, or your relationship with the Creator. I’m sure chemtrails/HAARP are weapons against alien intervention but even more sure that they are weapons against you and me and our relationship with God.

  721. ericswan Says:

    As for TV, I studied at the feet of Marshall McLuhan (literally) and appreciate your comments as to the nature of the beast.
    Let me give you a parable for my work here on the planet. Think “Daniel in the lion’s den.”

    I know some of you have way more skill in manipulating the words found in scripture but the truth is you have to move along. You certainly should have read your bible and reread it but at some point you have to stop quoting scripture and live it’s Truth.

  722. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan – Could I have a translation by what you meant when you said ” Nightmare give us another handle ..You need to step up to the plate..” because I have NO idea what you meant by that.

    And if you know the nature of the TV beast, what on earth are you doing by leaving it on while you’re sleeping when it can do some of it’s worst damage ?

  723. ericswan Says:

    The only people who don’t know who you are are your friends. I think you know what a handle is.

  724. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan – There are no better manipulators of the scriptures than the churches themselves. And they manipulate in order to serve their own interests. This is why it’s so important that people learn to think for THEMSELVES and QUESTION what their church is teaching them about scripture. And if what they teach happens to conflict with what Jesus taught, then I am not buying their BS.
    Most of the church teachings are divisive and outright ELITIST .The churches have turned profound revelations of peace, harmony, and eternal salvation into one blood bath after another. Is it any wonder that so many people have turned away from religion ? The crying shame is that
    many of these people also throw the baby out with the bath water by no longer believing in God in any way shape or form. Thank-you churches !

    I couldn’t agree with you more about LIVING the Bible truths rather than quoting scripture.

  725. Nightmareskies Says:

    @ ericswan … You can call me Sky for short . : – )

  726. Darran Says:


    ‘The Old Testament was fulfilled. It’s done.’

    It most certainly wasn’t and it most certainly isn’t. You might want to think carefully about that bit of doctrine.

    I addressed that above:

    Matthew 5:17-18 (HCSB) — “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished”

    Jesus here plainly says that not only the writings of the prophets such as Isaiah must be fulfilled, but also the writing of Moses must be fulfilled. This means that the Torah, like the Prophets, is prophetic.

    Christians miss this crucial clue because they are taught that this passage means something completely different, that when Christ came the first time he was “fulfilling all of the Torah for us so nobody ever has to again”.
    Jesus did say he came to fulfill, but the immediate context makes it impossible that he fulfilled everything then.

    The Torah will not be completely fulfilled until heaven and earth are passed away, which is an actual future event (Isa 65:17; Rev 21:1).

  727. Ursa Major Says:

    Eric, I agree that leaving the tv on while you’re asleep is a very bad idea. You have no control over what you hear while you’re sleeping!

    Plus, it has been shown that we NEED the dream stage for health. I don’t know how long you’ve been leaving your tv on all night. But if it stops you from dreaming, you are doing yourself harm.

    So, listening to crap tv is bad for you in two ways. It feeds your subconscious garbage, and it harms you physically by stopping you from dreaming.

    An excerpt from another site:
    “Just as deep sleep restores your body, scientists believe that REM or dreaming sleep restores your mind, perhaps in part by helping clear out irrelevant information. Studies show, for example, that REM sleep facilitates learning and memory. People tested to measure how well they had learned a new task improved their scores after a night’s sleep. If roused from REM sleep, however, the improvements were lost. On the other hand, if they were awakened an equal number of times from slow-wave sleep, the improvements in the scores were unaffected. These findings may help explain why students who stay up all night cramming for an examination generally retain less information than classmates who get some sleep.”

    We don’t even have tv. Yes, we have a very old one to use as a monitor for movies of our choice. But it isn’t hooked up to an antenna, and we certainly don’t have cable or satellite. We don’t need all that garbage.

  728. Nightmareskies Says:

    Guten morgen, Uschi.

    I’m glad you brought that up about dreaming being essential for good health . That’s another really terrible thing about many of the pharmaceuticals as well. They knock out or interfere with the REM stage of sleep. And REM is the most important stage for dreaming.

    I always got a kick out of